VTS Mafia VTS Mafia Night 1/Day 1

[A Baby Maker]

Oh shit it landed under ants what does that mean?

 

[shortkut]

Oh shit it landed under ants what does that mean?

He needs to start wearing underpants

 

[TD]

@VashTheStampede
Any idea where vote count is at?

 

[Cole]

I don't understand how that gives us an idea of who the mobsters are?

it gives us an idea of what the mobsters roles are and what they do and do not have to play against

We can't even agree who to put on trial. How are we going to agree who the Vigilante should kill?

Why do we all have to agree who the Vigilante should kill to prove there is a Vigilante?

because we need to know who the vigilante will target without them saying "I will target blank". if we agree, the mob doesn't know which of us pulled the trigger.

 

[shortkut]

it gives us an idea of what the mobsters roles are and what they do and do not have to play against

because we need to know who the vigilante will target without them saying "I will target blank". if we agree, the mob doesn't know which of us pulled the trigger.

So we all agree, for arguments sake, to sacrifice @Zell 17 . If zell dies, then there is a vigilante. If zell does not die, either no vigilante or zell is vigilante?

 

[TD]

it gives us an idea of what the mobsters roles are and what they do and do not have to play against

How does it let us know which of the mobster roles we are dealing with? Wouldn't this also help the mob know who they are dealing with?

because we need to know who the vigilante will target without them saying "I will target blank". if we agree, the mob doesn't know which of us pulled the trigger.

...why do we need to know who the vigilante will target? If the vigilante just picks a random target we have confirmed the vigilante exists and the mob doesn't know who it is.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Vote Update:

shortkut (3) - Ants, canadaguy, TD
Cole (1) - Kat
Zell (1) - shortkut
Benzine (1) - Jawneh
TD (1) - Local Hero

 

[shortkut]

Vote Update:

shortkut (3) - Ants, canadaguy, TD
Cole (1) - Kat
Zell (1) - shortkut
Benzine (1) - Jawneh
TD (1) - Local Hero

 

[TD]

So we all agree, for arguments sake, to sacrifice @Zell 17 . If zell dies, then there is a vigilante. If zell does not die, either no vigilante or zell is vigilante?

Or Zell is the Don.

Or there's only one kill with cleaner and nothing is confirmed.

Vigilante also would need to be willing to go along with this.

I've seen some weird strategies but this is up there.

 

[Zell 17]

But what if we don't even have a Vigilante?

We’re fucked

 

[VashTheStampede]

 

[Zell 17]

we're not allowed to role claim, and we have no protectors.

so there's only one strategy I can think of to confirm what we need to know that I can think of short of role claiming, and even then, it's a huge risk.

we all agree sometimes in wolf you have to lynch townies. we can confirm who the vigilante is if people can agree on who to have the vigilante target the next night phase.

we risk Insta gibbing a townie, but we'd know we have a vigilante without them outing themselves.

also, at this juncture, if the vigilante used their power night 0 picking from a random list of numbers, *they are doing it wrong*.

bad cop is more likely, but wasting his one kill is also dumb.

equally as dumb yo wasting button pusher. especially becsuse that would confirm 3 or 4 mob types.

I like the idea. There is a downside. If there’s no vigilante and the person we “target” is a townie, the mob can just kill them and mislead us into thinking there’s a vigilante. It’s low odds though, less than 10% so seems worth doing.

 

[Zell 17]

I like the idea. There is a downside. If there’s no vigilante and the person we “target” is a townie, the mob can just kill them and mislead us into thinking there’s a vigilante. It’s low odds though, less than 10% so seems worth doing.

These odds are wrong the vigilante could be already dead and Cole/mafia knows it.

 

[TD]

Cole and shortkut are both extremely suspicious.

 

[shortkut]

Cole and shortkut are both extremely suspicious.

Cole and Shortkut are acting like we do every other wolf-style game. Do you see one of us talking with our hands or something?

 

[VashTheStampede]

Ohhhh!!!

 

[TD]

Cole and Shortkut are acting like we do every other wolf-style game. Do you see one of us talking with our hands or something?

Actually, neither of you are acting in a way I've seen before.

 

[shortkut]

Actually, neither of you are acting in a way I've seen before.

1. Random arguing with Cole? - less than usual, I’ll give you that
2. random shit talking? - same as before
3. Lots of gifs? - same as before

You’re starting to sound suspicious yourself

 

[TD]

1. Random arguing with Cole? - less than usual, I’ll give you that
2. random shit talking? - same as before
3. Lots of gifs? - same as before

You’re starting to sound suspicious yourself

That's fine if I sound suspicious. I learned in the last game I played that my playstyle makes people suspicious of me.

The great part? Unless the mob kills me, there's a fun trial experience.

 

[A Baby Maker]

That's fine if I sound suspicious. I learned in the last game I played that my playstyle makes people suspicious of me.

The great part? Unless the mob kills me, there's a fun trial experience.

 

[A Baby Maker]

I don't actually know if you are I just liked that gif that popped up

 

[TD]

 

[canadaguy]

 

[shortkut]

 

[VashTheStampede]

 

[canadaguy]

 

[shortkut]

P

 

[canadaguy]

A fractal pretzel

 

[A Baby Maker]

The verdict is in.

 

[TD]

 

[VashTheStampede]

 

[canadaguy]

Anyone want to make a pretzel themed wolf game?

 

[Cole]

How does it let us know which of the mobster roles we are dealing with? Wouldn't this also help the mob know who they are dealing with?

because we'd have a better information if they have a button pusher. which would be 3 out of 4 mob confirmed roles.

...why do we need to know who the vigilante will target? If the vigilante just picks a random target we have confirmed the vigilante exists and the mob doesn't know who it is.

because if we don't have a vigilante, this hill to climb is going to suckthe. this game favors the mob heavily. we need known help that we can rely on.

I like the idea. There is a downside. If there’s no vigilante and the person we “target” is a townie, the mob can just kill them and mislead us into thinking there’s a vigilante. It’s low odds though, less than 10% so seems worth doing.

I'm assuming that the mob kill would be announced differently than the vigilante kill.

if they clean it again, then they've lost another ability.

and if there's only one kill and not two, that would help narrow it down in the event of a cleaning.

 

[Cole]

Anyone want to make a pretzel themed wolf game?

no but I was working on a Simpson's themed one.

 

[Zell 17]

because we'd have a better information if they have a button pusher. which would be 3 out of 4 mob confirmed roles.

because if we don't have a vigilante, this hill to climb is going to suckthe. this game favors the mob heavily. we need known help that we can rely on.

I'm assuming that the mob kill would be announced differently than the vigilante kill.

if they clean it again, then they've lost another ability.

and if there's only one kill and not two, that would help narrow it down in the event of a cleaning.

Vash said all kills will be announced identically even if no cleaner used

 

[Local Hero]

 

[A Baby Maker]

I the vigilante simply murders everyone other than themselves then the town will win.

 

[canadaguy]

I the vigilante

Oh?

 

[Zell 17]

I don’t think we need to go through picking someone for the vigilante. If we ever see two kills again in one night, the vigilante exists right?

 

[Cole]

I don’t think we need to go through picking someone for the vigilante. If we ever see two kills again in one night, the vigilante exists right?

no. the bad cop can kill. there are 3 killers, two of which only have one use. and we have no idea what night 0 was.

 

[TD]

I'm inclined to feel like night 0 was button man which is probably part of why they cleaned it.

Vigilante and Bad Cop both make no sense to actually kill on Night 0.

 

[A Baby Maker]

Vash said all kills will be announced identically even if no cleaner used

I'm inclined to feel like night 0 was button man which is probably part of why they cleaned it.

Vigilante and Bad Cop both make no sense to actually kill on Night 0.

If they're announced identically then wouldn't it not reveal the how here? Just what roles the people had?

 

[A Baby Maker]

Also we're just about halfway through the first day phase I believe, though most of us don't have nearly 12 hours of activity left before we sleep.

 

[TD]

If they're announced identically then wouldn't it not reveal the how here? Just what roles the people had?

Oh I didn't mean they cared about the how, just that they didn't want us to know the IDs of two civilians.

In hindsight sure maybe the how but we didn't know about not knowing the how until today I think?

 

[TD]

Also we're just about halfway through the first day phase I believe, though most of us don't have nearly 12 hours of activity left before we sleep.

And the votes for a trial are very limited, we need 6 to put someone on trial.

I'm just gonna put this out there.

If we really aren't gonna find someone to put on trial, just put me on trial. Like I said, a trial is better than abstain.

 

[A Baby Maker]

And the votes for a trial are very limited, we need 6 to put someone on trial.

I'm just gonna put this out there.

If we really aren't gonna find someone to put on trial, just put me on trial. Like I said, a trial is better than abstain.

I'll use this as a fallback option if nothing better comes up.

 

[Cole]

I'm inclined to feel like night 0 was button man which is probably part of why they cleaned it.

Vigilante and Bad Cop both make no sense to actually kill on Night 0.

NONE of the 3 make sense to use at random night 0, that's the whole point.

bad cop would actually make some sense.

he has three potential win conditions, solo, or being discovered by mob or town "seer". so if they want to win as solo, sure, burn the kill.

if they want to win as a specific team, save it.

NONE make sense, his would make the most.

 

[TD]

Yeah, I'm gonna be going to bed like 7 hours before the phase ends so I'll make my judgment call then. If the leading vote getter is 3 still, it's not promising.

 

[Cole]

And the votes for a trial are very limited, we need 6 to put someone on trial.

I'm just gonna put this out there.

If we really aren't gonna find someone to put on trial, just put me on trial. Like I said, a trial is better than abstain.

I also don't really care if I'm on trial either.

I'm dead soon either way.

 

[TD]

Can jailed players be killed by the mafia in this?