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canadaguy said:
But town has vigilante though who could just pick off the mafia if they out themselves like that.
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we MIGHT have a vigilante.

someone is going to say "there's an 80% chance we have a vigilante" but there's an 80% chance we have any one of the town roles.

but we don't have all of them, so the vigilante is by no means guaranteed.

im not suggesting the mafia out themselves, that's ridiculous. but using their second kill and then using confusion would be a horrible idea. they're hiding when they should be flexing power. we should know they are hurting us and there's not a ton we can do to stop it.

obviously they shouldn't out themselves completely.
 
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we MIGHT have a vigilante.

someone is going to say "there's an 80% chance we have a vigilante" but there's an 80% chance we have any one of the town roles.

but we don't have all of them, so the vigilante is by no means guaranteed.

im not suggesting the mafia out themselves, that's ridiculous. but using their second kill and then using confusion would be a horrible idea. they're hiding when they should be flexing power. we should know they are hurting us and there's not a ton we can do to stop it.

obviously they shouldn't out themselves completely.
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Ahh gotcha.

Show off both kills and rub it in our faces. Not reveal themselves, but reveal their power and ruthlessness.
 
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Ahh gotcha.

Show off both kills and rub it in our faces. Not reveal themselves, but reveal their power and ruthlessness.
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yes. they don't need to hide in this game the way they have in others.

even IF we knew for a fact Zell was a mobster.

if we put him on trial, and the jury ends up having a majority of mob, he will survive to kill again.

they don't need to hide. at all. unless we know we have a vigilante, there isn't a lot we can do.

which makes it odd for them to burn a second kill on a random list of numbers AND mask it.
 
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Cole said:
yes. they don't need to hide in this game the way they have in others.

even IF we knew for a fact Zell was a mobster.

if we put him on trial, and the jury ends up having a majority of mob, he will survive to kill again.

they don't need to hide. at all. unless we know we have a vigilante, there isn't a lot we can do.

which makes it odd for them to burn a second kill on a random list of numbers AND mask it.
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Does that not also rely on a low chance of majority mobster?
 
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Cole said:
which. as I suspected, could in theory if we get lucky be 3 jurors that are mobsters when we're trying to kill a mobster which means free innocent verdict.
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Which may later look suspect if we later learn the player on trial was mafia.


@VashTheStampede is the jury vote public or private? Like do we just get the final tally, or find out what each juror voted individually?
 
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canadaguy said:
Which may later look suspect if we later learn the player on trial was mafia.


@VashTheStampede is the jury vote public or private? Like do we just get the final tally, or find out what each juror voted individually?
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Completely public. It's on CourtTV and everyone is wearing nametags.
 
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Cole said:
yeah, it might.

and what, praytell, will we do about that? if we have no vigilante, put them all on trial and hope there's not enough mobsters to convict?

how many trials do we lose to hunting down the mobsters now?
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So how do we win then? We can't just throw up our hands and do nothing because they might be able to stack the jury.
 
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So how do we win then? We can't just throw up our hands and do nothing because they might be able to stack the jury.
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I mean it starts with the wolves potentially burning an extra kill and confusion on night 0.

I'm not saying we don't try, of course we try. I'm saying it's an uphill climb and the mob is already giving up the goat.
 
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we're not allowed to role claim, and we have no protectors.

so there's only one strategy I can think of to confirm what we need to know that I can think of short of role claiming, and even then, it's a huge risk.

we all agree sometimes in wolf you have to lynch townies. we can confirm who the vigilante is if people can agree on who to have the vigilante target the next night phase.

we risk Insta gibbing a townie, but we'd know we have a vigilante without them outing themselves.

also, at this juncture, if the vigilante used their power night 0 picking from a random list of numbers, *they are doing it wrong*.

bad cop is more likely, but wasting his one kill is also dumb.

equally as dumb yo wasting button pusher. especially becsuse that would confirm 3 or 4 mob types.
 
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we're not allowed to role claim, and we have no protectors.

so there's only one strategy I can think of to confirm what we need to know that I can think of short of role claiming, and even then, it's a huge risk.

we all agree sometimes in wolf you have to lynch townies. we can confirm who the vigilante is if people can agree on who to have the vigilante target the next night phase.

we risk Insta gibbing a townie, but we'd know we have a vigilante without them outing themselves.

also, at this juncture, if the vigilante used their power night 0 picking from a random list of numbers, *they are doing it wrong*.

bad cop is more likely, but wasting his one kill is also dumb.

equally as dumb yo wasting button pusher. especially becsuse that would confirm 3 or 4 mob types.
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Role claiming is only allowed when you're on trial, yes?
 
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We can't even agree who to put on trial. How are we going to agree who the Vigilante should kill?

Why do we all have to agree who the Vigilante should kill to prove there is a Vigilante?
 
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