VTS Mafia VTS Mafia Night 1/Day 1

[Cole]

Based on current vote structure, the two votes that make the most sense for a trial are shortkut and I.

Unless we think we can collectively pile 6 votes on someone else.

no, it shouldn't ve about the votes. it should be about us agreeing on someone with enough suspicion to warrant the risk. whoever tops our list.

I'm happy for it to be me if desired. I'm probably dead soon anyway.

 

[Tubby23]

Didn't seem to be much more than a discussion? Zell literally wrapped up the "discussion" by saying that he didn't care if Cole was town, wanted him dead, and voted for him. He later retracted the vote when it was clear it wasn't going anywhere and claimed he was just mad. Cole has also had the weird idea of us bossing around the Vigilante to kill a townie so we can confirm a townie exists. Usual Cole is not "sacrifice townies".

Granted it was heated but remember I come in and read it hours and pages later by which point it feels like a blip on the radar in the thread. Whether it got heated or not I fell it is just two strong-willed players having an argument and I filedit under just a disucssion because I actually felt there was little for me to learn from it. Cole was playing like normal and I don't know Zell well enough to know whether it was normal or not. Certainly over the recent week in the dead thread from Zell's game they also had a back and forth discussion. This felt like a continuation of that so I just ignored it almost.

You think Cole's vote for her is no more than a good player vote huh? What about in that same post where he said Kat is currently the most suspicious to him?

In short, yes. If I hang myself up on every word Cole says I will never play my own game and have fun. Therefore, I took his idea and came up with my own thoughts. Those being, I didn't find kat's behaviour suspicious.

You mean like the last game I played where I screamed from the rooftops that silence only helps the wolves? Where I admitted I throw shit at a wall until it sticks? Cole was at 3 votes with a hypothetical bandwagon forming when I came out and said my vote for him was temporary. I've even said it's better to have a trial than abstain to the point I'll vote for myself. But sure, I'm trying to throw a random townie into a trial and cause chaos.

I acknowledged you were being consistent, that still made me no more comfortable about your role. My intention is that on trial you will throw less shit at the wall and we will get some straight talk. You're the most vocal person and at this stage whether you are trying to cause chaos or not I'm not sure so I'd like to use the trial to figure that out. I'm comfortable that if you are a good guy you will litigate for yourself successfully and if you're not we get a baddy day 2

 

[Ancle Suck]

If you're confident you'll be able to get off it makes sense. You're protected at night as well from what vash said earlier.

 

[Cole]

In short, yes. If I hang myself up on every word Cole says I will never play my own game and have fun. Therefore, I took his idea and came up with my own thoughts. Those being, I didn't find kat's behaviour suspicious.

you are wrong on that. I don't have a ton of suspicion on Kat, I'm not saying "shes mafia", but if I had to rank all 13 remaining players on who I think is MOST likely, at this very second shes at the top of my list.

informed "random" voting is better than random random.

 

[Zell 17]

Kat seems like the least suspicious person here. All she brought was facts. I don’t want to risk offing her because I think she is the best reader of people on this board and would like to keep that around.

 

[Tubby23]

you are wrong on that. I don't have a ton of suspicion on Kat, I'm not saying "shes mafia", but if I had to rank all 13 remaining players on who I think is MOST likely, at this very second shes at the top of my list.

informed "random" voting is better than random random.

Ok that's fair. On the same token it's TD that gives me that feeling.

 

[Zell 17]

Ok that's fair. On the same token it's TD that gives me that feeling.

I flipped a coin between shortkut and TD.

Vote TD

Meanwhile, vigilante if you are out there feel free to take a shot at me you won’t be losing anything important.

 

[Cole]

Kat seems like the least suspicious person here. All she brought was facts. I don’t want to risk offing her because I think she is the best reader of people on this board and would like to keep that around.

except that isn't what Kat does, and it severely insults her skill level.

she posts facts as hypothesis. she "twists" the facts to fit a story, whether it's for towns benefit or evils. she is among the best strategy readers in the game. more often than not, she is spot on figuring out why some one *might* perform a strategy.

and since this is a case where she is massively wrong on her crafted theory, then it leads me to believe she's the one pulling the strings.

 

[TD]

option 1: no extra person dies becsuse we don't have vig. that confirms either bad cop or button pusher.

option 2: the target we select dies, if there's only one kill, it was the wolves.

option 3: there are two, it was the vigilante or the bad cop trying to hurt the town by giving us a false safety net.

Us telling the Vigilante to kill and who to kill comes with some issues though. If we openly tell them this and they listen, they may kill a citizen and the mafia will know not to waste anything on that person tonight. They'll kill someone else. That'll immediately bring us to 11 players, 4 mafia and 6-7 citizens. If the trial goes poorly and a citizen dies, it's already game over. That's not even considered the possibility of a third kill ability. Then we gotta deal with potentially not knowing who died.

I just don't see the reward, or at least a reward that compares to the risk. We know there's a Vigilante, okay fine. To what end? What's the gameplan after? Openly choose a Vigilante target and a Trial target while watching the Jury every day?

I agree this is tipped heavily in the favour of the mafia so we have to take risks, I just don't see a big reward for a huge risk.

yes, Kat and Zell top my suspect list at the moment. but the list is shallow and there's very little support. it's like coming in last in a beauty pageant, you're still beautiful, just the least beautiful. ...but opposite.

I'm second guessing that metaphor

I mean, I chuckled, so there's that.

 

[Cole]

I'm fine with putting @TD on trial as long as he "consents". you cool being our guinea pig?

 

[TD]

no, it shouldn't ve about the votes. it should be about us agreeing on someone with enough suspicion to warrant the risk. whoever tops our list.

I'm happy for it to be me if desired. I'm probably dead soon anyway.

Normally I'd agree with you, but with it being 9pm ET and the phase ending at 5:30am ET, I'm not expecting much to happen before the phase is over.

 

[shortkut]

Based on current vote structure, the two votes that make the most sense for a trial are shortkut and I.

Unless we think we can collectively pile 6 votes on someone else.

We could combine forces and move all our votes onto zell

 

[Cole]

Us telling the Vigilante to kill and who to kill comes with some issues though. If we openly tell them this and they listen, they may kill a citizen and the mafia will know not to waste anything on that person tonight. They'll kill someone else. That'll immediately bring us to 11 players, 4 mafia and 6-7 citizens. If the trial goes poorly and a citizen dies, it's already game over. That's not even considered the possibility of a third kill ability. Then we gotta deal with potentially not knowing who died.

I just don't see the reward, or at least a reward that compares to the risk. We know there's a Vigilante, okay fine. To what end? What's the gameplan after? Openly choose a Vigilante target and a Trial target while watching the Jury every day?

I agree this is tipped heavily in the favour of the mafia so we have to take risks, I just don't see a big reward for a huge risk.

the risk is extremely high. but this is a monumentaly uphill climb without real allies. I said earlier the mob doesn't need blind aggression for this.

you know who does?

us.

 

[TD]

I'm fine with putting @TD on trial as long as he "consents". you cool being our guinea pig?

I'm game.

I vote TD.

(never thought I'd do this again after what happened last time I did it)

 

[Cole]

Alright then.

I'll change my vote to TD.

let's have a trial.

 

[TD]

If we have a strong suspect I'm open to the vigilante idea too - I just don't want it to be a pure dart throw.

 

[TD]

Actually, I'll take lukewarm at this point cause I don't know about strong.

 

[Ancle Suck]

Okay. I'm fine with this strategy. I don't feel much actual sus coming from TD just yet and at the very least this is some protection for him tonight.

Voting TD

 

[Cole]

Okay. I'm fine with this strategy. I don't feel much actual sus coming from TD just yet and at the very least this is some protection for him tonight.

Voting TD

I'll say he's not at the BOTTOM of my list, he's higher on the "suspicious" side for me, but not at the top. And even less significant than my others.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Vote Update

TD (6) - Local Hero, Tubby, Zell, TD, Cole, Alu
shortkut (2) - Ants, canadaguy
Cole (1) - Kat
Zell (1) - shortkut
Benzine (1) - Jawneh

 

[Ancle Suck]

I'll say he's not at the BOTTOM of my list, he's higher on the "suspicious" side for me, but not at the top. And even less significant than my others.

I can be down with that.

 

[TD]

Hey look we are at 6.

 

[TD]

 

[Ancle Suck]

Hey look we are at 6.

 

[Tubby23]

Hey look we are at 6.

 

[TD]

Okay do we want to throw out some sus names to discuss in case our Vigilante wants to try and be a hero?

 

[Ancle Suck]

Okay do we want to throw out some sus names to discuss in case our Vigilante wants to try and be a hero?

Well Tommy is already dead and want a priest so that's pretty sus. Maybe shoot the corpse for his measure

 

[Tubby23]

Also I just realised Cole has a rotating Simpsons signature because the last couple of days I have finally been using my PC for GW rather than my phone, I like it.

 

[Tubby23]

Okay do we want to throw out some sus names to discuss in case our Vigilante wants to try and be a hero?

Zell seemed to throw his name forward a minute ago, which would make me think he's not suspicious. If he were mafia he wouldn't risk that.

 

[TD]

People I wouldn't want the Vigilante to take a shot at (at this time): Cole, Kat, Zell, canadaguy, Alu

 

[shortkut]

I don’t understand how the trial works

 

[VashTheStampede]

I don’t understand how the trial works

The defendant can make their case to not be put to death. A jury made up of random players will vote as to whether they are guilty or innocent. Role claiming is allowed when on trial.

 

[TD]

I don’t understand how the trial works

We're about to find out!

I think it'll basically be like I'm on the hot seat, everyone can say shit and ask questions. The 5 jurors will then decide my fate based on how it goes, all while the group ALSO tries to vote for someone for a Day 3 trial.

 

[Tubby23]

I don’t understand how the trial works

From what I understand, TD will go on trial and defend their life through role claims etc attempting to convince a jury of up to 5 people of his innocence. Those jurors must then vote publicly on TDs fate

 

[Tubby23]

We're about to find out!

I think it'll basically be like I'm on the hot seat, everyone can say shit and ask questions. The 5 jurors will then decide my fate based on how it goes, all while the group ALSO tries to vote for someone for a Day 3 trial.

And also tries to work out if any jurors are suss.

To me trial seems the most powerful way to work out information on the most people at the same time. Tomorrow for example we can scrutinise TD as well as 5 jurors as they all have to commit a proper vote one way or the other.

 

[Cole]

Also I just realised Cole has a rotating Simpsons signature because the last couple of days I have finally been using my PC for GW rather than my phone, I like it.

its from the Simpsons Movie, its the same one Tom and I had on old GW.

 

[Tubby23]

its from the Simpsons Movie, its the same one Tom and I had on old GW.

My memory must be worse than I thought!

 

[TD]

And also tries to work out if any jurors are suss.

To me trial seems the most powerful way to work out information on the most people at the same time. Tomorrow for example we can scrutinise TD as well as 5 jurors as they all have to commit a proper vote one way or the other.

Exactly, which is why I'm fine volunteering to be tried so maybe we can get some discussion on suspects of substance.

 

[shortkut]

Will the lawyer roles be revealed for the trial? How do they do lawyery stuff

 

[TD]

Will the lawyer roles be revealed for the trial? How do they do lawyery stuff

They DM Vash.

 

[Zell 17]

We can vote for the next person to go on trial while a trial is ongoing, right?

 

[Tubby23]

Only if they chose to release the defendant before the trial and even then I don't think we find out who they are. @VashTheStampede ??

 

[Cole]

Will the lawyer roles be revealed for the trial? How do they do lawyery stuff

they don't. for this game.

 

[shortkut]

They DM Vash.

I’m assuming this was explained in the roles but I can’t read

 

[Tubby23]

We can vote for the next person to go on trial while a trial is ongoing, right?

Yes tomorrow there will be 2 votes. One by the jurors and one by the town

 

[VashTheStampede]

Only if they chose to release the defendant before the trial and even then I don't think we find out who they are. @VashTheStampede ??

If there is a Lawyer or Mob Lawyer they can, at any time during the trial, DM me to release the accused. The trial will immediately end and the prisoner released.

 

[TD]

I’m assuming this was explained in the roles but I can’t read

Mob Lawyer: Once per game can release a Defendant from Jail, by contacting the Governor via DM.

Lawyer: Once per game can release a Defendant from Jail, by contacting the Governor via DM.

 

[shortkut]

Thanks! You have my vote

 

[VashTheStampede]

Additionally if there is a Judge, they can publicly announce that they are releasing or condemning the accused to death.

 

[shortkut]

Additionally if there is a Judge, they can publicly announce that they are releasing or condemning the accused to death.

@Crazy Jamie is playing?