VTS Mafia VTS Mafia Night 1/Day 1

[Zell 17]

You literally said exactly that, but that's okay. Seems everyone bought it.

Must be those “eyes” that they were unfortunately born with. Ruins even the best lies.

 

[Cole]

Must be those “eyes” that they were unfortunately born with. Ruins even the best lies.

Are you fucking drunk at 10am? Is that what this is?

 

[TD]

 

[TD]

Also in case it's not obvious by my erratic voting, my vote for Cole is by no means final.

My vote can and likely will change.

 

[Cole]

Also in case it's not obvious by my erratic voting, my vote for Cole is by no means final.

My vote can and likely will change.

Nah keep it, when people vote to convict me just because it's me, it'll be amusing.

 

[TD]

Part of me just wants to see Cole on trial because it'd be a popcorn moment.

 

[Kat]

I would personally wait a bit because everything is new and confusing.

And by the by, I don't understand the bandwagon on Cole, Shortkut, Kat, TD, Shortkut, Zell, maybe others, have all contributed in trying to understand the game and giving hypothesis about what makes sense. I haven't seen anything in Cole's post that screams "leading the town into the wrong direction".

If anything, Kat is, but I'm not feeling that way strongly about anyone.

TD is pulling the vote for everyone tactic

How do you think I'm misleading the town? I'm very tired so it's totally possible I'm way off. Do correct me if I'm leading us down the wrong path.

I'm going to check back later and vote for somebody who hasn't posted much, I think, unless someone is being very obviously suspicious.

 

[TD]

Also if Cole is a citizen and is killed in trial, those jurors will deserve a very close look.

 

[Kat]

Part of me just wants to see Cole on trial because it'd be a popcorn moment.

I am interested to see what he thinks a good defense is since he's so scornful of role claiming being a good strategy.

 

[Cole]

How do you think I'm misleading the town? I'm very tired so it's totally possible I'm way off. Do correct me if I'm leading us down the wrong path.

I'm going to check back later and vote for somebody who hasn't posted much, I think, unless someone is being very obviously suspicious.

so you've said several times how suspicious you think I am, inciting people to agree with you and vote for me, but you have no intention of voting for me?

 

[Cole]

Also if Cole is a citizen and is killed in trial, those jurors will deserve a very close look.

No they won't. They'll kill me anyway just because it's me.

 

[Kat]

so you've said several times how suspicious you think I am, inciting people to agree with you and vote for me, but you have no intention of voting for me?

What're you talking about? I already voted for you.

 

[shortkut]

if this is a joke about me using the wrong terms, then yeah, my brains not sorting the names very well atm.

I’m just fucking around today because we don’t know anything, so why not have some fun. I missed most of the meta game

 

[Cole]

What're you talking about? I already voted for you.

But you just said you'd be changing your vote to someone that is being quiet.

Helping to start and then leaving a bandwagon is a bad look.

 

[Cole]

I’m just fucking around today because we don’t know anything, so why not have some fun. I missed most of the meta game

I didn't think you were serious.

 

[Kat]

But you just said you'd be changing your vote to someone that is being quiet.

Helping to start and then leaving a bandwagon is a bad look.

I think only one other person has voted for you? And you do that shit all the time, pfft. We don't know anything, obviously votes at this point aren't super serious.

 

[TD]

I’m just fucking around today because we don’t know anything, so why not have some fun. I missed most of the meta game

After this we need another meta game just for you.

 

[Kat]

@VashTheStampede I assume since no limit is listed that we can switch our votes an unlimited number of times?

 

[Cole]

I think only one other person has voted for you? And you do that shit all the time, pfft. We don't know anything, obviously votes at this point aren't super serious.

TD has a vote on me that he claims he will change. Zell has a vote on me. You have a vote on me.

and you are actively trying to make me appear more suspicious for telling you a strategy is dumb.

 

[VashTheStampede]

@VashTheStampede I assume since no limit is listed that we can switch our votes an unlimited number of times?

Indeed!

 

[TD]

If there's a limit I'm in trouble.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Oh no one has a limit except TD

 

[Zell 17]

I unvote @Cole because basically there’s no point in trying to get anything useful out of him the first day anyways

 

[Cole]

I unvote @Cole because basically there’s no point in trying to get anything useful out of him the first day anyways

hot fucking take for the guy claiming he'd vote to convict me as Jury even if he knew I was townie.

Weird that the bandwagon dissolved once they saw a couple people NOT supporting it.

 

[TD]

Well that's not suspicious at all.

 

[Kat]

TD has a vote on me that he claims he will change. Zell has a vote on me. You have a vote on me.

and you are actively trying to make me appear more suspicious for telling you a strategy is dumb.

Zell's vote has nothing to do with me though, you antagonized him into that.

That's an interesting way to characterize things.

 

[Zell 17]

hot fucking take for the guy claiming he'd vote to convict me as Jury even if he knew I was townie.

Weird that the bandwagon dissolved once they saw a couple people NOT supporting it.

Yeah that’s because you were pissing me off not because you’re evil.

But Vash doesn’t need me ruining his game

 

[Local Hero]

Yeah, I'm getting pretty suspicious of Cole. I feel like he's leading us astray when he should know better. But he's always suspicious so

By the way, Kat, this was the post I was referring to. I don't think we have enough to say anyone is suspicious, so you saying this made alarm bells go off for me.

How, exactly, is Cole leading us astray? Maybe at most he said a failed trial would be no info and wasted might and someone, maybe you, saying it would be a great way to get info. Is that enough to cause suspicion?

 

[Cole]

Zell's vote has nothing to do with me though, you antagonized him into that.

That's an interesting way to characterize things.

Sure, that's one way to explain starting a bandwagon on me. "He found his own reason to claim I'm suspicious, definitely not a bandwagon"

Yeah that’s because you were pissing me off not because you’re evil.

But Vash doesn’t need me ruining his game

Don't worry, dumb decisions will do that for you!

 

[Zell 17]

How, exactly, is Cole leading us astray? Maybe at most he said a failed trial would be no info and wasted might and someone, maybe you, saying it would be a great way to get info. Is that enough to cause suspicion?

He’s doing his normal thing of trying to stir shit up and see what happens. He did it last game by voting everyone in the village before dying with two bullets.

 

[Cole]

By the way, Kat, this was the post I was referring to. I don't think we have enough to say anyone is suspicious, so you saying this made alarm bells go off for me.

How, exactly, is Cole leading us astray? Maybe at most he said a failed trial would be no info and wasted might and someone, maybe you, saying it would be a great way to get info. Is that enough to cause suspicion?

Mine was a misspeak anyway, yes we'd get "info" from a trial, but if there is an innocent verdict, we gain no *ACTUAL* intel. No firm "this was a townie, they are dead now" or "this is a mobster, hes dead now".

 

[Zell 17]

Don't worry, dumb decisions will do that for you!

I’m sorry, is unvoting you a dumb decision? Tell me more

 

[Cole]

He’s doing his normal thing of trying to stir shit up and see what happens. He did it last game by voting everyone in the village before dying with two bullets.

No, I'm not trying to stir up anything. I'm genuinely confused why so many people are defending a strategy that makes no functional sense in this game. But you keep on with your bad reads.

 

[Cole]

when it makes you look guilty? Yeah, yeah it is.

 

[TD]

Well this bandwagon is falling apart.

Let's try a new one.

I vote Local Hero.

 

[Zell 17]

No, I'm not trying to stir up anything. I'm genuinely confused why so many people are defending a strategy that makes no functional sense in this game. But you keep on with your bad reads.

Because, obviously, not everyone agrees on it being a bad strategy (including the mafia obviously).

Also, again, there’s no info on whether anyone’s reads are bad. You tell me what you think is a good read. Who is suspicious Coleman?

 

[Cole]

Because, obviously, not everyone agrees on it being a bad strategy (including the mafia obviously).

Also, again, there’s no info on whether anyone’s reads are bad. You tell me what you think is a good read. Who is suspicious Coleman?

But it is objectively a bad strategy.

Also theres plenty of info on whos reads are bad. Is this your first game of wolf/mafia? I know what my role is, so the people being suspicious of me, those are REALLY FUCKING BAD READS.

Who's suspicious?

So far the people saying things like "i'd convict him even if I knew he was a townie", and "he's suspicious for saying a strategy is bad" are leading my list.

 

[TD]

You laugh @Local Hero but I'm on to you.

 

[Local Hero]

E.g., Kat.

Which happens to be my rationale (if Cole is guilty don't @ me)

 

[Zell 17]

But it is objectively a bad strategy.

Also theres plenty of info on whos reads are bad. Is this your first game of wolf/mafia? I know what my role is, so the people being suspicious of me, those are REALLY FUCKING BAD READS.

Who's suspicious?

So far the people saying things like "i'd convict him even if I knew he was a townie", and "he's suspicious for saying a strategy is bad" are leading my list.

Let me be the first to tell you that you have a “really fucking bad read”.

 

[Local Hero]

Let me be the first to tell you that you have a “really fucking bad read”.

Could everyone just forget how to read for a moment so we can all be friends again.

 

[Cole]

Yeah, maybe, but if I get suspicious on someone that's posting dumb shit of their own accord? That's fine with me.

*I'M* not the one that said I'd convict even if I knew someone was a townie.

 

[TD]

Could everyone just forget how to read for a moment so we can all be friends again.

Why so you can kill me in my sleep?

 

[Zell 17]

*I'M* not the one that said I'd convict even if I knew someone was a townie.

Addition by subtraction. Kinda like trading Nomar.

 

[Kat]

By the way, Kat, this was the post I was referring to. I don't think we have enough to say anyone is suspicious, so you saying this made alarm bells go off for me.

How, exactly, is Cole leading us astray? Maybe at most he said a failed trial would be no info and wasted might and someone, maybe you, saying it would be a great way to get info. Is that enough to cause suspicion?

I feel like I said it pretty explicitly in other posts but I'll attempt to recap.

He said using confusion off the bat is a waste and won't help them at all, even though multiple of us see some obvious ways it can. It gives the mobsters more ways to hide, they can cast doubt on townies hinting at roles. Admittedly this is less important in this game with fewer roles, but that doesn't make it completely useless. And they can still use it again.

He suggested we just ignore the hidden roles and assume they're normal townies even though chances are that's not the case. Again, this thinking gives mobsters more places to hide.

He's insisting the mobsters are super dumb and he'd never do any of what they're doing. Maybe it's true or maybe it's an attempt to get us to think they're not being strategic when they actually are. When we pointed out ways what they're doing could be strategic, he doubled down and said we're all being dumb too.

Would I outright lynch him over that? No. Would I put him on trial to see who defends him and who wants him dead? Sure, why not?

I do still wanna go after a quiet person too though. I don't want flying under the radar to be safe.

 

[Zell 17]

I feel like I said it pretty explicitly in other posts but I'll attempt to recap.

He said using confusion off the bat is a waste and won't help them at all, even though multiple of us see some obvious ways it can. It gives the mobsters more ways to hide, they can cast doubt on townies hinting at roles. Admittedly this is less important in this game with fewer roles, but that doesn't make it completely useless. And they can still use it again.

He suggested we just ignore the hidden roles and assume they're normal townies even though chances are that's not the case. Again, this thinking gives mobsters more places to hide.

He's insisting the mobsters are super dumb and he'd never do any of what they're doing. Maybe it's true or maybe it's an attempt to get us to think they're not being strategic when they actually are. When we pointed out ways what they're doing could be strategic, he doubled down and said we're all being dumb too.

Would I outright lynch him over that? No. Would I put him on trial to see who defends him and who wants him dead? Sure, why not?

I do still wanna go after a quiet person too though. I don't want flying under the radar to be safe.

The thing is, what’s more likely? Cole being a Machiavellian-level manipulator who is evil? Or being dumb and town?

 

[Cole]

Addition by subtraction. Kinda like trading Nomar.

Yeah that's not really how that works.

Killing someone you know is a townie in absolutely no way helps you if you are also a townie.

 

[Kat]

E.g., Kat.

Which happens to be my rationale (if Cole is guilty don't @ me)

Wait what

 

[Local Hero]

I feel like I said it pretty explicitly in other posts but I'll attempt to recap.

He said using confusion off the bat is a waste and won't help them at all, even though multiple of us see some obvious ways it can. It gives the mobsters more ways to hide, they can cast doubt on townies hinting at roles. Admittedly this is less important in this game with fewer roles, but that doesn't make it completely useless. And they can still use it again.

He suggested we just ignore the hidden roles and assume they're normal townies even though chances are that's not the case. Again, this thinking gives mobsters more places to hide.

He's insisting the mobsters are super dumb and he'd never do any of what they're doing. Maybe it's true or maybe it's an attempt to get us to think they're not being strategic when they actually are. When we pointed out ways what they're doing could be strategic, he doubled down and said we're all being dumb too.

Would I outright lynch him over that? No. Would I put him on trial to see who defends him and who wants him dead? Sure, why not?

I do still wanna go after a quiet person too though. I don't want flying under the radar to be safe.

Thank you for explaining

 

[Cole]

I feel like I said it pretty explicitly in other posts but I'll attempt to recap.

He said using confusion off the bat is a waste and won't help them at all, even though multiple of us see some obvious ways it can. It gives the mobsters more ways to hide, they can cast doubt on townies hinting at roles. Admittedly this is less important in this game with fewer roles, but that doesn't make it completely useless. And they can still use it again.

He suggested we just ignore the hidden roles and assume they're normal townies even though chances are that's not the case. Again, this thinking gives mobsters more places to hide.

He's insisting the mobsters are super dumb and he'd never do any of what they're doing. Maybe it's true or maybe it's an attempt to get us to think they're not being strategic when they actually are. When we pointed out ways what they're doing could be strategic, he doubled down and said we're all being dumb too.

Would I outright lynch him over that? No. Would I put him on trial to see who defends him and who wants him dead? Sure, why not?

I do still wanna go after a quiet person too though. I don't want flying under the radar to be safe.

this post makes a phenomenally little amount of sense. If any of that is what you believe, then you'd be foolish to NOT vote for me over it. Unless you know how bad of a look killing me would be.

The thing is, what’s more likely? Cole being a Machiavellian-level manipulator who is evil? Or being dumb and town?

Oh how cute, Zell is suddenly trying to "defend" my innocence while throwing back handed insults while also abandoning the bandwagon he helped to try and start.