Discussion Tavern: Sleeping Giant

[Kutshort Yes]

I've read it multiple times but this is way more complex than say.. wolf lol.

Thank you for pointing out the section.

Same. I’ve actually read this, and coming from me, that means something. There’s just so much information, I forget what is in the academy to reference back to

 

[TD]

Prone: Sometimes you fall down. This is called being prone. When prone you have disadvantage on attack rolls, and attacks against you from within 5 feet of distance are at advantage. Attacks against you from MORE than 5 feet away have disadvantage. You can drop prone without spending any movement, but it takes half of your speed's worth of movement to stand back up. While prone, the only movement you can make is to either crawl or magically teleport. Crawling costs 2 feet of speed for each foot moved...but in difficult terrain would cost 3.

Can you help me understand when prone may be a good idea? Or is it generally not?

Just trying to figure out the best usage of my shell defense.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Prone is USUALLY a bad thing, but ranged attacks against a prone creature are made at disadvantage.

"GET DOWN, MR PRESIDENT" being a solid technique against gunfire and all.

 

[TD]

So hypothetically.. it's a good tool against a bunch of bow wielding goblins if needed?

 

[VashTheStampede]

So hypothetically.. it's a good tool against a bunch of bow wielding goblins if needed?

I could see how one could come to that belief in that completely hypothetical situation.

 

[TD]

and because his teammate so wisely caused a massive distraction with his aquatic activities

I for one enjoy this perspective on my actions.

 

[VashTheStampede]

You made your own bed, now lie in it

 

[T'anks Kiraine]

All I can imagine is the field day cats would have with that set. Like I don't even hate it - obviously would prefer different colors but then it's not lettuce lol - just... yeah.

Anyway I've been having Great Ideas™ since I first saw my prompt. Not really sure how it'll turn out, or if it's strictly rule compliant, but I mean that's never really stopped me from attempting shenanigans before. I'll be with you gentlemen shortly.

 

[TD]

I have a feel this might end up being a wacky campaign and I love it.

 

[T'anks Kiraine]

I should sincerely hope Vash understands, but for the rest of y'all:


(1m55s if that doesn't anchor properly)

...So no, no I'm not sure T'anks is a thirst trap. Unless you're into that, in which case. Uh. More power to you.

 

[TD]

I can't help but overthink the implications of you sharing the Sea Mother's Tale while Tortle Dude over there trying to get unclean.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Really tempted to do another Shadow Hearts series run this year for my Year of the RPG.

I really hope my PS2 still works.

 

[VashTheStampede]

@Raine somehow I missed this previously, but you are missing some spells that you should have from your chosen class.

At level 1, bards have 2 cantrips and 4 known level 1 spells. I see you have Thaumaturgy as a cantrip but that's from your race. So you should have 3 total cantrips.

 

[TD]

My dice are cursed.

 

[TD]

@VashTheStampede

...do we/can we use skills during battle like kut just did?

 

[Kutshort Yes]

@VashTheStampede

...do we/can we use skills during battle like kut just did?

If not, can I repurpose the better rolls?

 

[Cookie Sweetmead]

If not, can I repurpose the better rolls?

You rolled the perfect character type.

 

[Kutshort Yes]

You rolled the perfect character type.

 

[VashTheStampede]

@VashTheStampede

...do we/can we use skills during battle like kut just did?

So usually the way it works is something like

Rogue: Can I try and climb up the hill a ways to get a better vantage point so I can sneak attack the Boss?

DM: Hm. Give me an acrobatics or athletics check.

But I understand shortkut doing it the way he is because of the forum format we're using. If I don't agree with his specific check attempt, I can redirect or ignore it, like I did with the Persuasion attempt in his most recent turn. Or I could use his acrobatics roll as an athletics roll if I think that's more fitting. That kind of thing.

 

[TD]

So usually the way it works is something like

Rogue: Can I try and climb up the hill a ways to get a better vantage point so I can sneak attack the Boss?

DM: Hm. Give me an acrobatics or athletics check.

But I understand shortkut doing it the way he is because of the forum format we're using. If I don't agree with his specific check attempt, I can redirect or ignore it, like I did with the Persuasion attempt in his most recent turn. Or I could use his acrobatics roll as an athletics roll if I think that's more fitting. That kind of thing.

Oh cool, didn't realize you could do this!

So for example, I could've tried Stealth maybe when trying to creep up?

I mean, my other rolls sucked so it wouldn't have made a difference but just so I know moving forward.

 

[Kutshort Yes]

So usually the way it works is something like

Rogue: Can I try and climb up the hill a ways to get a better vantage point so I can sneak attack the Boss?

DM: Hm. Give me an acrobatics or athletics check.

But I understand shortkut doing it the way he is because of the forum format we're using. If I don't agree with his specific check attempt, I can redirect or ignore it, like I did with the Persuasion attempt in his most recent turn. Or I could use his acrobatics roll as an athletics roll if I think that's more fitting. That kind of thing.

Thanks for explaining . I was trying to be creative and save time by doing what I thought were the necessary rolls before you asked for them

If you want me to just say what I want to do and then you tell me if I need to roll and what it is, I don’t mind. You’re the DM, so whatever makes it easier for you

 

[T'anks Kiraine]

@Raine somehow I missed this previously, but you are missing some spells that you should have from your chosen class.

At level 1, bards have 2 cantrips and 4 known level 1 spells. I see you have Thaumaturgy as a cantrip but that's from your race. So you should have 3 total cantrips.

Hmm... yeah none of this means anything to me! I clicked around a bit before and didn't see anything, so I assumed Tiefling Bard was just a support wimp at lv1.

Lemme poke around a bit more! Uno momento and all that!

 

[T'anks Kiraine]

...Oh. Oh.

See in FFXI you have to quest/purchase scrolls and learn your stuff that way so I ignored this honking list before because it says "learn" and clearly I ain't done nothin' so ain't got no scrolls. Damn you, Square!

@VashTheStampede Is uh... is everything on this list fair game? This could take more than a moment.

 

[VashTheStampede]

...Oh. Oh.

See in FFXI you have to quest/purchase scrolls and learn your stuff that way so I ignored this honking list before because it says "learn" and clearly I ain't done nothin' so ain't got no scrolls. Damn you, Square!

@VashTheStampede Is uh... is everything on this list fair game? This could take more than a moment.

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I'm away from my books and pc right now but those LOOK right.

 

[T'anks Kiraine]

Random bullshit go!

 

[T'anks Kiraine]

@VashTheStampede Back over here for a spell before bed. "Seeing" might be a sticking point here? The briars are three-quarter cover, so technically T'anks can see both of them? But would her Bard stuff - say, Vicious Mockery - be subject to more traditional restrictions that weren't applied to Thaumaturgy that's more "this general vicinity" in nature? Like does that need more direct line of sight akin to kut's arrows and Jumpy's EB (hence their movements)? Although the Boss just leveled her through it so maybe not...

 

[VashTheStampede]

@VashTheStampede Back over here for a spell before bed. "Seeing" might be a sticking point here? The briars are three-quarter cover, so technically T'anks can see both of them? But would her Bard stuff - say, Vicious Mockery - be subject to more traditional restrictions that weren't applied to Thaumaturgy that's more "this general vicinity" in nature? Like does that need more direct line of sight akin to kut's arrows and Jumpy's EB (hence their movements)? Although the Boss just leveled her through it so maybe not...

They don't have full cover so you can see them. Vicious Mockery specifically would not be under any restrictions because the target needs to pass a Wisdom save and cover only helps with AC and Dexterity saves I believe.

 

[TD]

@VashTheStampede

What refills slots? Long rest?

Assuming this means I have two uses.

 

[Cookie Sweetmead]

@VashTheStampede

What refills slots? Long rest?

Assuming this means I have two uses.

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Yes. Yes. Yes.

There is a class that can refill one on a short rest. Can't remember if its warlock, sorcerer, or wizard.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Yes. Yes. Yes.

There is a class that can refill one on a short rest. Can't remember if its warlock, sorcerer, or wizard.

Warlock

 

[TD]

I don't know if you can answer this but is it generally a better idea to use healing spells outside of battle to heal up the party or rest?

Mechanically speaking what are the implications of both.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Obviously there's different schools of thought to this but my personal opinion is that in-battle heals are best used on players who are in immediate threat of death (i.e. already downed and facing death saves).

I've always thought that your spells during battle should be for causing and preventing damage, and then healing spells are for outside of battle.

Takes a bit to get out of the MMO mindset of party construction. D&D (at least in its current incarnation) isn't as much about tank/healer/DPS.

 

[Cookie Sweetmead]

My understanding of using healing spells is to use them on somebody with 0 heal. This will stabilize so they don't die die and or you may be able to bring them back into the battle.

Using them on people who have just taken damage and are not lying on the floor making saving throws has a high upside of being a waste of your spell slot and/or action. You heal somebody and theirs a good chance their AC protects them for the rest of the fight and you all take a long rest that heals you up. That's a wasted spell that could have done damage and ended the fight sooner.

 

[TD]

Thanks for the clarification both of you! I really appreciate this.

Takes a bit to get out of the MMO mindset of party construction. D&D (at least in its current incarnation) isn't as much about tank/healer/DPS.

This helps me a lot as I've been approaching it kind of like an MMORPG as that's what I know.

Trying to shift more to what D&D play looks like.

 

[TD]

Nat20 on my stupid Intimidation. 3 on hit.

 

[TD]

I must've angered the dice gods when I tried to minmax.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Just because he's called a Goblin Boss, that doesn't mean its a Boss Fight.

Just throwing that out there.

 

[TD]

Well we're turning it into one apparently!

 

[Kutshort Yes]

Just because he's called a Goblin Boss, that doesn't mean its a Boss Fight.

Just throwing that out there.

I figured he was tougher than the other goblins so we would want to take him down

 

[VashTheStampede]

I figured he was tougher than the other goblins so we would want to take him down

Oh I'm not questioning the tactics, just poking fun.

 

[Kutshort Yes]

Oh I'm not questioning the tactics, just poking fun.

Maybe if a certain dungeon master made one of those briar patches a tree and let me get the high ground, maybe I would have had an advantage on my attack and he’d be dead already. Have you ever thought of that?

 

[TD]

I'd say maybe you shouldn't miss but clearly I have no room to talk.

What Dude was actually doing during sword training:

 

[Kutshort Yes]

I'd say maybe you shouldn't miss but clearly I have no room to talk.

What Dude was actually doing during sword training:

Don’t worry… it’s almost time for an eldritch blast!

 

[TD]

Dude gets a chance to redeem himself first though!

Or maybe T'anks'll do something.

 

[T'anks Kiraine]

Or maybe T'anks'll do something.

I'm being the best worst Bard ever.

Didn't even know I had Spells turn 1, whiffed turn 2.

Maybe I should just see if he's into creepy demonic girls with trust issues.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Maybe I should just see if he's into creepy demonic girls with trust issues.

Please stop making me identify with the thing you're trying to murder.

 

[TD]

THE NURSERY RHYME.

 

[T'anks Kiraine]

I'm over here Googling like a dumbass like "What even rhymes with word???"

 

[TD]

...at least you didn't google Tortle Soup!

...right?

 

[T'anks Kiraine]

Thankfully not! Should I?

...But when I was Googling "cute spider" earlier I got a face full of DeviantArt.

I mean I'm not really complaining, I'm just saying.