All I'm sayin' is it's a good thing I wasn't super into handheld games before pulling the trigger here. Handhelds are best used when laying in bed; neither of my default (formerly) comfortable positions would work anymore!
But yeah it's funny. Like when I went about building up and leading an endgame guild in Final Fantasy XI, my immediate right-hand was a woman I've been friends with for 20+ years. And a good, solid half of the group's core were outspoken and super knowledgeable ladies. ...I mean they had a tendency to be super potty-mouthed too, but that's a bonus perk not a negative.
I've had boobs for two decades and I haven't found a comfortable way to lay on my stomach yet. And laying on my back is annoying because I have to hold the system up to see it over my boobs; I can't rest it on my stomach unless my head is propped up enough.
It's not "in bed", but they do make lounger chairs with an expandable mesh so people with titties can comfortably lay on their stomach.
and I haven't found a comfortable way to lay on my stomach yet. And laying on my back is annoying because I have to hold the system up to see it over my boobs; I can't rest it on my stomach unless my head is propped up enough.
Need to invent a boob tablet/handheld/phone holder. Conveniently sits betwixt the bosoms and holds the device at a perfect angle for reading, scrolling and gaming. lol
Need to invent a boob tablet/handheld/phone holder. Conveniently sits betwixt the bosoms and holds the device at a perfect angle for reading, scrolling and gaming. lol
Mmhm. Larger frame sort of helps, depending on exactly how they rest. Potentially smush them outwards instead of entirely down/in, but... still not great! Worse still when trying to use your arms/hands though, since then all of the pressure is going absolutely stupid places. I used to sleep on my stomach as much as I did any other position, but yeah, that ended fairly quickly.
I can't tell you how many times I've been dumb and dropped my phone onto my face already, and phones are smaller and don't require being held in place with just 3 fingers.
Speaking of dropping shit and having to adjust... there is no cleavage whatsoever, ever, during meals. I do not enjoy picking crumbs out of the backup purse. Gentlemen if you tease your partners about this, especially if they're trying to look nice for your date, you deserve the shin kick!
The temptation to post a Kool Aid Man gif was strong, I won't lie.
Speaking of dropping shit and having to adjust... there is no cleavage whatsoever, ever, during meals. I do not enjoy picking crumbs out of the backup purse. Gentlemen if you tease your partners about this, especially if they're trying to look nice for your date, you deserve the shin kick!
Not that I have many tops that do anyway, but, yeah. Woo overeager early impulses going awry!
Well that makes me a feel a little better on the phone, at least. ...Never stops being a problem though, huh? Welp.
And yeah, it never occurred to me how poorly/perfectly positioned everything is! They're like magnets, what the hell. HOW DO REFINED LADIES DO THIS? IS IT ALL HOLLYWOOD SMOKE AND MIRRORS? This is some bullshit, putting your napkin in your lap is stupid. I need like two bibs minimum!
Yes. Women constantly have editors working with them that we haven't figured out yet. When something happens time stops, their editors erase the mistakes, and they get an instant re-do.
I've been going back and forth on posting this. There are a lot of considerations, my emotional baggage notwithstanding, but like... this is why our collective family doesn't allow the children to have or display anything. Why we've always chosen not to ourselves.
Functionally all you need to know is an Ally was murdered for showing support. Everything else goes into the spoiler tag.
Lauri's death is not a springboard for anything here. Just... supporting the people you personally know is great! But if you're not looking for a fight, especially one that isn't necessarily yours and one that could cost you your life, consider keeping it on the downlow. This will only get worse over the next year and change before there is any possibility of it getting better.
I've been going back and forth on posting this. There are a lot of considerations, my emotional baggage notwithstanding, but like... this is why our collective family doesn't allow the children to have or display anything. Why we've always chosen not to ourselves.
Functionally all you need to know is an Ally was murdered for showing support. Everything else goes into the spoiler tag.
Lauri's death is not a springboard for anything here. Just... supporting the people you personally know is great! But if you're not looking for a fight, especially one that isn't necessarily yours and one that could cost you your life, consider keeping it on the downlow. This will only get worse over the next year and change before there is any possibility of it getting better.
I’ve been seeing shit about this on the news. Real tough person shooting an older lady because of her opinion. REALLY showed everyone who’s a danger here…
That’s the problem. It’s easy to target some little old lady that became an ally, it’s called punching below your weight.
Yup, absolutely. And it's something well-meaning people shouldn't have to worry about, the same way all the people still with their Trump 2020 bumper stickers and Good Job Brandons shouldn't have to worry.
...But they do. And, I mean, not to steal too many pages from Crystal's notebook here - but I don't want people getting hurt ostensibly because of us. None of us are going to be happy if that happens!
It’s not something ANYONE should have to worry about but pedophiles, rapists, and murderers. Those are the only three groups that deserve unbridled discrimination and hatred.
The grim reality is that, in any cause worth fighting for, some blood will inevitably be spilled. She just happens to be the one that’ll spark a conversation, and that conversation will lead to more conversations.
It's sad that it takes the death of an ally to spark these conversations when so many needless murders of trans men and women have already taken place that should have sparked this conversation already, but that we might finally have that moment makes her sacrifice something potentially special, however horrific. I'd call it the trans Matthew Shepherd moment, but the parallels aren't quite there...the importance, though!
It's sad that it takes the death of an ally to spark these conversations when so many needless murders of trans men and women have already taken place that should have sparked this conversation already, but that we might finally have that moment makes her sacrifice something potentially special, however horrific. I'd call it the trans Matthew Shepherd moment, but the parallels aren't quite there...the importance, though!
I was gonna mentioned Matthew Shepherd as well… I remember when that happened, everyone in school suddenly stopped calling each other fags and there was this moment where even the kids that were usually known as bullies were like “that’s fucked up…” even if it didn’t last forever. It was at that point that I noticed the use of homosexual slurs among my friends shift towards mutual emasculation or humorous “flirtation” and away from outright hate speech. Then came Eminem and Elton John a little later, and before you knew it… there were gay dudes hanging out with straight dudes while making the same kind of slurs amongst everyone.
Granted, I know that’s a hurtful word to a lot of people and in today’s world it would be viewed as unacceptable by most… but even as an adult now, looking back at a bunch of pre-teen/teen boys who called each other names for fun recognizing the significance of what genuine hate speech and hatred can cause, and then taking a step back and reapplying those inappropriate jokes in a consenting manner among people that “got it” makes me wonder why ADULTS these days can’t even make those same kinda strides.
I’m sure y’all would much rather being included in harmless jokes no different than myself or anyone else, in a sense of TRUE equality than dealing with the kind of hatred and vitriol we see in the headlines all the time. But, no, the grown-ups once again got outshined by a bunch of kids back then that seemed to understand how to co-exist better than they do now.
An outwardly cishet white woman, the mother of nine(9?!) children, that happens to be an affluent business owner and is conventionally attractive. Could literally have not ticked more boxes here if they tried. And to her absolute credit, that's a whole lot of privilege to set aside and stick your neck out when you don't need to. I'm just so, so saddened it ended like this. Fucker could've at least had the decency to not get blown away by the police like the sad sack he was.
True, she is the perfect person to serve as a symbol here, and I hate and love that, since no one should lose their lives for us. But here's hoping we see this as a catalyst for change and conversation. Matt Walsh, JK Rowling, all the rest of them can carry on the hate, but here is flesh and blood proof that their hatred doesn't work. Their ignorance is not a solution. Learn to understand, not to be ignorant. Humanity moves forward. Ball's in their court now.
I was gonna mentioned Matthew Shepherd as well… I remember when that happened, everyone in school suddenly stopped calling each other fags and there was this moment where even the kids that were usually known as bullies were like “that’s fucked up…” even if it didn’t last forever. It was at that point that I noticed the use of homosexual slurs among my friends shift towards mutual emasculation or humorous “flirtation” and away from outright hate speech. Then came Eminem and Elton John a little later, and before you knew it… there were gay dudes hanging out with straight dudes while making the same kind of slurs amongst everyone.
Granted, I know that’s a hurtful word to a lot of people and in today’s world it would be viewed as unacceptable by most… but even as an adult now, looking back at a bunch of pre-teen/teen boys who called each other names for fun recognizing the significance of what genuine hate speech and hatred can cause, and then taking a step back and reapplying those inappropriate jokes in a consenting manner among people that “got it” makes me wonder why ADULTS these days can’t even make those same kinda strides.
I’m sure y’all would much rather being included in harmless jokes no different than myself or anyone else, in a sense of TRUE equality than dealing with the kind of hatred and vitriol we see in the headlines all the time. But, no, the grown-ups once again got outshined by a bunch of kids back then that seemed to understand how to co-exist better than they do now.
If people could be more like you and just accept us as we are, you can still joke, still have fun with it, but it doesn't have to be at our expense, we can be in on it and be happy to be so! That's one thing I'd welcome!
Acknowledgment needs to happen outside of June and outside of corporate events for it to truly matter, if I’m being blunt about it. All the friends in the world can’t save someone from another individual that wants to do harm.
If people could be more like you and just accept us as we are, you can still joke, still have fun with it, but it doesn't have to be at our expense, we can be in on it and be happy to be so! That's one thing I'd welcome!
I’ll be honest, I’m only considered an “ally” because I don’t consider y’all enemies and I’m not threatening to y’all. Why should I? Y’all haven’t done anything wrong to me. We should be on at a minimum neutral ground. There’s plenty I don’t understand or “get”, but that doesn’t mean I have to in order to treat y’all the same way y’all treat me.
Acknowledgment needs to happen outside of June and outside of corporate events for it to truly matter, if I’m being blunt about it. All the friends in the world can’t save someone from another individual that wants to do harm.
Damn right! June is great, though I follow The History Boys logic there, events like that and memorials are not lest we forget so much as lest we remember. There's no better way of forgetting something than to memorialize it. So here's hoping June doesn't just mean tolerate and forget
I’ll be honest, I’m only considered an “ally” because I don’t consider y’all enemies and I’m not threatening to y’all. Why should I? Y’all haven’t done anything wrong to me. We should be on at a minimum neutral ground. There’s plenty I don’t understand or “get”, but that doesn’t mean I have to in order to treat y’all the same way y’all treat me.
But you're a better ally than even you understand, if I'm being blunt. You let us be us, no judgement. And yeah, there are parts you won't get and that's fine, it's better that way. Trans isn't something to glorify, it's a shit way to be, a shit thing to go through and not something people should want to undertake unless they know, for sure, it's who they are. So not getting it is good, but letting us do what we HAVE TO do, not want to do, is all we can possibly ask.
I'm absolutely terrified to remotely approach their sphere right now. I know what those places looked like in the aftermath of BLM, in the days after Jan6, etc. I've been deep in the weeds since before GamerGate was public knowledge, been watching this monster breed and grow... There is no limit to the mental gymnastics, of saying they're just a lone wolf, but it can't continue. It can not. We've had these chumps on
calling for public executions for well over a year now. And here we are, with someone that isn't a "We Can Always Tell." This is literal Nazi, literal Klan bullshit of collateral damaging the Good Ones.
Something has to give, has to break. ...Before something else does. Start pulling hosting, start blocking access, start lobbing fines, I don't know. Anything.
That's a lot of words saying you're an ally because you're a friend/friendly.
I said it towards the start, and I'll say it now: That's all people want. People that will be in their personal corner when shit goes south. 'Cause... lord knows that isn't the case with Rainbow Capitalists, grifters, and bog standard "virtue signal" types that immediately turn tail and flee the moment the skies aren't
Damn right! June is great, though I follow The History Boys logic there, events like that and memorials are not lest we forget so much as lest we remember. There's no better way of forgetting something than to memorialize it. So here's hoping June doesn't just mean tolerate and forget
I just hate how commercialized everything is. There’s a national fucking holiday or month for everything and it’s just stupid. We don’t need to segregate people by months or days to be decent people to one another. We just need to be decent people.
I’m sure Matt Shepherd’s family LOVES the rainbow Coke cans, and from what I’ve been told… the drag queens and half-naked folks are so far removed from that poor boy that most don’t even know his name… at least according to an older gay man I spoke to about this very subject a month or so ago.
But you're a better ally than even you understand, if I'm being blunt. You let us be us, no judgement. And yeah, there are parts you won't get and that's fine, it's better that way. Trans isn't something to glorify, it's a shit way to be, a shit thing to go through and not something people should want to undertake unless they know, for sure, it's who they are. So not getting it is good, but letting us do what we HAVE TO do, not want to do, is all we can possibly ask.
That’s the thing… I’m not TRYING to be. I don’t need validation as one, just like you wouldn’t need validation to be an ally of mine. I just am. You just are. Just like you are what you are, and I am what I am. People CHOOSE to complicate things by allowing labels they’ve created to define their interactions with others. We talk to people here from all kinds of countries and cultures… it’s the same thing. We won’t understand everything about the other, just like they won’t understand everything about us, and that’s okay. KNOWING that we won’t understand everything about each other brings us closer to understanding each other than just throwing our differences back and forth.
That's a lot of words saying you're an ally because you're a friend/friendly.
I said it towards the start, and I'll say it now: That's all people want. People that will be in their personal corner when shit goes south. 'Cause... lord knows that isn't the case with Rainbow Capitalists, grifters, and bog standard "virtue signal" types that immediately turn tail and flee the moment the skies aren't crystal clear.
I get that… and when the day comes that someone has some shit to say here, I’ll be one of the first ones throwing my two cents in the mix to defend y’all as long as y’all are in the right. Obviously, if y’all were the ones on the offensive, I’d have to call that out as well. What are they gonna do? Dox me? I’m easy to find, I’ll even help. Come get some.
Wouldn't have it any other way. I've considered flagging you a time or two this past week just to make sure I wasn't being as much of a bitch as I thought I was... but then I figured if I was aware it was possible, it was probably okay, so didn't bother.
I'll never hide behind any of my *checks notes* entirely too fucking many problems, using them as a shield for jackassery. If I need calling out, I need calling out. Y'know?
There is no one exempt from it, not even me. We all overstep, and we all speak from perspectives that others can’t comprehend. Sometimes we gotta be reminded of that. I’m guilty of it, and I’m fully aware that my opinions are controversial to a lot of people and I can come across abrasive as fuck in the process… but that’s just part of who I am, and the people that do disagree with me and stick around after the fact usually learn that just because they don’t agree with everything I say, I say it from a very specific perspective with a very specific intent that generalizations don’t tend to compliment. Point being… I wouldn’t let someone just come in here and hate on y’all without speaking up. Honest dialogue? Y’all are adults. I won’t tell anyone what they can and can’t talk about here barring obvious rules. Like I said early on… I want to see uncomfortable conversations. I want to see people taken out of their comfort zone and walk away from here wiser for it. I’d want the black members to put their two cents in on racial issues. I’d want the trans members to talk to the conservatives about the values they have so the conservatives can learn something. I want every different person here to be able to engage with every other person and be able to co-exist. That blatant hate speech shit, though? That won’t fly, no matter who it’s against.
I just hate how commercialized everything is. There’s a national fucking holiday or month for everything and it’s just stupid. We don’t need to segregate people by months or days to be decent people to one another. We just need to be decent people.
I’m sure Matt Shepherd’s family LOVES the rainbow Coke cans, and from what I’ve been told… the drag queens and half-naked folks are so far removed from that poor boy that most don’t even know his name… at least according to an older gay man I spoke to about this very subject a month or so ago.
That's problem with all commercialized months and events. Turns a real cause into a profit grab. Everyone forgets. Does anyone even remember the Stonewall riots? Matthews Shepherd is disappearing from history...how much longer before pride is just a rainbow flag?
That’s the thing… I’m not TRYING to be. I don’t need validation as one, just like you wouldn’t need validation to be an ally of mine. I just am. You just are. Just like you are what you are, and I am what I am. People CHOOSE to complicate things by allowing labels they’ve created to define their interactions with others. We talk to people here from all kinds of countries and cultures… it’s the same thing. We won’t understand everything about the other, just like they won’t understand everything about us, and that’s okay. KNOWING that we won’t understand everything about each other brings us closer to understanding each other than just throwing our differences back and forth.
I get that… and when the day comes that someone has some shit to say here, I’ll be one of the first ones throwing my two cents in the mix to defend y’all as long as y’all are in the right. Obviously, if y’all were the ones on the offensive, I’d have to call that out as well. What are they gonna do? Dox me? I’m easy to find, I’ll even help. Come get some.
8chan/8kun getting nuked seems to have worked pretty well, maybe? Forever fuck companies like THQ Nordic/Embracer Group for associating with that shit, as an aside.
Wouldn't have it any other way. I've considered flagging you a time or two this past week just to make sure I wasn't being as much of a bitch as I thought I was... but then I figured if I was aware it was possible, it was probably okay, so didn't bother.
I'll never hide behind any of my *checks notes* entirely too fucking many problems, using them as a shield for jackassery. If I need calling out, I need calling out. Y'know?
There is no one exempt from it, not even me. We all overstep, and we all speak from perspectives that others can’t comprehend. Sometimes we gotta be reminded of that. I’m guilty of it, and I’m fully aware that my opinions are controversial to a lot of people and I can come across abrasive as fuck in the process… but that’s just part of who I am,
and the people that do disagree with me and stick around after the fact usually learn that just because they don’t agree with everything I say, I say it from a very specific perspective with a very specific intent that generalizations don’t tend to compliment. Point being… I wouldn’t let someone just come in here and hate on y’all without speaking up. Honest dialogue? Y’all are adults. I won’t tell anyone what they can and can’t talk about here barring obvious rules. Like I said early on… I want to see uncomfortable conversations. I want to see people taken out of their comfort zone and walk away from here wiser for it.
That's the very reason this thread exists. One uncomfortable conversation I know we can have! Hell, we finally started to break that ground above, touching on some of the more...interesting...parts of trans life that people might be afraid to ask. Because...
I’d want the black members to put their two cents in on racial issues. I’d want the trans members to talk to the conservatives about the values they have so the conservatives can learn something. I want every different person here to be able to engage with every other person and be able to co-exist.
That's problem with all commercialized months and events. Turns a real cause into a profit grab. Everyone forgets. Does anyone even remember the Stonewall riots? Matthews Shepherd is disappearing from history...how much longer before pride is just a rainbow flag?
If we’re being honest, it’s already been reduced to a marketing campaign’s color palette for a month out of the year… so it’s worse than “just a flag”, at least they’re treated with more respect than human beings.
That's the very reason this thread exists. One uncomfortable conversation I know we can have! Hell, we finally started to break that ground above, touching on some of the more...interesting...parts of trans life that people might be afraid to ask. Because...
Exactly. Granted, I haven’t participated in that discussion for the same reason I wouldn’t jump into a conversation about menstrual cycles among a bunch of women. It’s not for a lack of maturity for the subject matter, it’s just simply none of my business unless I’m asked for my opinion. I don’t consider myself “curious” about those particular details, but I find the level of commitment and self-confidence to embrace it admirable. I respect people that are candid enough to put themselves out there.
If anything, people can walk away with a real interaction with a real trans person or three to see that y’all are (relatively) “normal” people like anyone else here. I can certainly appreciate y’all having a medium to interact with people you wouldn’t normally interact with, I’m sure it’s great to finally get to talk to people different than y’all about common interests. Just that little bit of unity has to mean a lot to such an isolated community with such a spotlight on it.
If we’re being honest, it’s already been reduced to a marketing campaign’s color palette for a month out of the year… so it’s worse than “just a flag”, at least they’re treated with more respect than human beings.
Exactly. Granted, I haven’t participated in that discussion for the same reason I wouldn’t jump into a conversation about menstrual cycles among a bunch of women. It’s not for a lack of maturity for the subject matter, it’s just simply none of my business unless I’m asked for my opinion. I don’t consider myself “curious” about those particular details, but I find the level of commitment and self-confidence to embrace it admirable. I respect people that are candid enough to put themselves out there.
But at least you know you CAN participate whenever you want to. Everyone has questions, this whole thread is about getting those questions out there. No judgments, no questions are off limits.
If anything, people can walk away with a real interaction with a real trans person or three to see that y’all are (relatively) “normal” people like anyone else here. I can certainly appreciate y’all having a medium to interact with people you wouldn’t normally interact with, I’m sure it’s great to finally get to talk to people different than y’all about common interests. Just that little bit of unity has to mean a lot to such an isolated community with such a spotlight on it.
That’s a good exercise. Coupling that with reminding yourself that you’d experience all of those same emotions even if you weren’t trans could prove to be helpful, because it seems like the emotional toll of that is compounding with the other issues you’re struggling with. Keeping in perspective that emotional pain and anxiety is unavoidable in life and not something you’re exclusively exposed to because you’re trans will help compartmentalize some of those feelings, making them easier to manage since they’re not figuratively bumping into each other.
You say that now, but that’s like saying you wouldn’t notice a pretty big difference between me making a tranny joke to you as a friend and some random schmuck that passes you on the street making one. Context is key… you’d know that I was just teasing because of our familiarity, but you wouldn’t from some random passerby.
But at least you know you CAN participate whenever you want to. Everyone has questions, this whole thread is about getting those questions out there. No judgments, no questions are off limits.
Exactly, and truth be told… early in the thread I was more concerned with the responses I’d receive from outside of the trans community, because y’all actually IN the community are more receptive to uncomfortable conversations than those outside of it or adjacent to it.
Did you use that as an example as why girls can’t meme? You should have… I have a healthy relationship with mine. She shows me a meme, I tell her “I ain’t dealing with you” and then she works harder to mine for better memes.
Did you use that as an example as why girls can’t meme? You should have… I have a healthy relationship with mine. She shows me a meme, I tell her “I ain’t dealing with you” and then she works harder to mine for better memes.
That’s a good exercise. Coupling that with reminding yourself that you’d experience all of those same emotions even if you weren’t trans could prove to be helpful, because it seems like the emotional toll of that is compounding with the other issues you’re struggling with. Keeping in perspective that emotional pain and anxiety is unavoidable in life and not something you’re exclusively exposed to because you’re trans will help compartmentalize some of those feelings, making them easier to manage since they’re not figuratively bumping into each other.
You say that now, but that’s like saying you wouldn’t notice a pretty big difference between me making a tranny joke to you as a friend and some random schmuck that passes you on the street making one. Context is key… you’d know that I was just teasing because of our familiarity, but you wouldn’t from some random passerby.
Exactly, and truth be told… early in the thread I was more concerned with the responses I’d receive from outside of the trans community, because y’all actually IN the community are more receptive to uncomfortable conversations than those outside of it or adjacent to it.
Well in fairness a trans person started this thread asking for questions, any questions. So yeah, I'd say we're fine with any level and I think that's true for any trans person. But I understand, you'll get the white knighters and whose who get offended for us. That's not us
Absolutely anything you want, you're an extremely articulate person, even if you know nothing about what trans is, I have no doubt you'd ask some fantastic questions. Trust me, my bar was set at waiting for questions like "whens your outie become an innie?!" and the like...it's happened elsewhere, thank fuck GWF is a bit more mature than that, but even if those were the questions, I'd still answer . Carte blanche, ask away!
I'd contend boys don't put that much thought into either, honestly. Been on that side and I remember widely disregarding others' feelings (and my own), and just playing games to game...thought process go bye bye.
Hmm... emotional baggage and damage notwithstanding, I've always been overly concerned with trying to plan and formulate and keeping things nice and tidy with regards to both. Which is why I copped that ODD diagnosis. It's not vindictive! It's not?! I just... I was looking for the best opportunity to undermine their authority!! They had it coming?!
But, yeah, the boys/men I hung out with? Caveman brain as far as the eye could see. At the time I thought maybe I was just an enlightened gentleman or something. As it turns out... maybe it was just because I was a girl. I still don't get most of what they were on about!
Yeah, it's definitely not the enlightened gentleman part, hon. Sorry, you're absolutely one of us ladyfolks, just had to have the detour through mantown first, like me
I'd contend boys don't put that much thought into either, honestly. Been on that side and I remember widely disregarding others' feelings (and my own), and just playing games to game...thought process go bye bye.
At least in my case, I feel like the meme ought to be switched around. I don't think and plan and scheme about how to play with girls' feelings. But then, I'm sure I accidentally have, just like I'm sure women accidentally do, which is perceived as being intentionally cunning and devious. I think it's just a case of two different genders not understanding each other, or letting pride/ego cloud their judgment.
Absolutely anything you want, you're an extremely articulate person, even if you know nothing about what trans is, I have no doubt you'd ask some fantastic questions.
Well, I didn't want to bring it up since it's a bit controversial, but I am curious about how people in the trans community perceive MtF trans being banned from sports (including chess, which is a bit more nebulous to me), with the rationale being that they have an unfair advantage over biological females. It seems logical to me that there ought to be a nonbinary category. I've seen trans people come down on both sides of the issue though.
At least in my case, I feel like the meme ought to be switched around. I don't think and plan and scheme about how to play with girls' feelings. But then, I'm sure I accidentally have, just like I'm sure women accidentally do, which is perceived as being intentionally cunning and devious. I think it's just a case of two different genders not understanding each other, or letting pride/ego cloud their judgment.
I'd say that's fair. There's a definite divide between the two, and without the experience of both it really does seem impossible to understand what [insert one side here] is thinking versus the other. Even having been on both sides, the male brain escapes me.
Well, I didn't want to bring it up since it's a bit controversial, but I am curious about how people in the trans community perceive MtF trans being banned from sports (including chess, which is a bit more nebulous to me), with the rationale being that they have an unfair advantage over biological females. It seems logical to me that there ought to be a nonbinary category. I've seen trans people come down on both sides of the issue though.
I'm of two minds -- it reinforces that the world sees trans women as not being women, but at the same time, I get the concerns. It's not entirely accurate, it's dependent upon a multitude of factors, but yeah, there are some trans women who have some serious muscle mass to them, but there are also some seriously buff biological females out there. Plus, it only ever seems to focus on trans women, while our trans brothers are largely not impacted. Is it ok for Quinn to continue playing for the Canadian Women's National Team while transitioning? So I understand the whys, I just feel like the approach of outright banning is wrong. What is the right solution? I don't know, honestly, because trans women will always be viewed as trans women, not women. So how that gets fixed, how sports can be inclusive for all...it's all beyond me at this point.
And, I mean, not to steal too many pages from Crystal's notebook here - but I don't want people getting hurt ostensibly because of us. None of us are going to be happy if that happens!
Nobody is getting hurt because of you. They're getting hurt because of violent, hateful assholes. They aren't going to make me hide my queerness or support for other queer people. If anything, it makes me want to be louder in my support. Fuck those people, they can't kill us all (although I do wish they'd quit trying).
I am curious about how people in the trans community perceive MtF trans being banned from sports (including chess, which is a bit more nebulous to me), with the rationale being that they have an unfair advantage over biological females. It seems logical to me that there ought to be a nonbinary category. I've seen trans people come down on both sides of the issue though.
... Men are still seen as being naturally better at chess than women? WTF?! Ladies, did math and science become harder and more confusing for you when you started hormones?
The sports thing is framed all wrong IMO. Sports are already not fair. There are tons of athletes who are naturally more muscular, stronger, have more endurance, etc than their gender typically does. Being a professional athlete has a huge component of biological luck. Some women naturally have high testosterone levels. Should they not be allowed to play against women? What if they have a vagina but XY chromosomes? What if they're intersex? Should people be allowed to take hormones that let them build bigger muscles if they're naturally low on that hormone?
Making it as a professional athlete has absolutely nothing to do with fairness. There is no level playing field. That's not even the right question to ask, because lots of people will never have any chance of being a professional athlete no matter how hard they work at it, and everyone is already fine with that.
Let's be honest about the real goal here: making sports competitive and unpredictable enough that they're entertaining to watch. Nobody likes seeing the same person or team always win, regardless of why they do so. It's boring and unsatisfying for everyone involved.
I don't know what the answer is, but sorting people based on ability rather than genitals is probably a good place to start.
