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Ok, Ok, Let's Talk Trans

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This part, I'm honestly lost as to what some of these identities are or what they mean, or how to refer to them. Its a minefield and I get everyone being frustrated with it. I don't know what non-binary is, it confuses me.
The way I look at things is simple. Does it affect me? No. So why should I be bothered by it/offend people? And that’s in general, not just this topic.

On a personal level without trying to offend anyone. I see the 50+ genders as personality traits. Like, a Demi boy is apparently a woman with masculine traits. To me that’s a tomboy. Unfortunately that’s pretty much the only one I know. But I can’t see the rest being any different. I might be wrong.

It’s actually a breath of fresh air to have a discussion with someone from the community who isn’t here to bite heads off and preach.
 

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Yeah, I'm not interested in getting offended. I'm not going to get upset at being called him, at someone using my dead name or being confused at trans issues. Its a strange situation all around and I won't force anyone to do anything that they aren't comfortable with. I like to talk, to engage at a civil level because that's how people come to understand or at least realize it isn't the horrific thing that some would have everyone believe
 

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Legitimately, thank you for saying this. If even you are confused by some of these things, I don't feel so bad admitting the same.
I've said the same thing. I can understand feeling like you were born the wrong gender. I can see how that happens in the brain, but I don't understand non-binary at all. I don't understand how the brain can decide "nah, I'm not either". I don't judge, and you can be whatever you want or need to be, but I don't understand it.
 
I've said the same thing. I can understand feeling like you were born the wrong gender. I can see how that happens in the brain, but I don't understand non-binary at all. I don't understand how the brain can decide "nah, I'm not either". I don't judge, and you can be whatever you want or need to be, but I don't understand it.

I dont understand it or gender fluid either

My ignorant understanding is they dont identify with social norms of traditional man or woman, but there is nothing concrete about those and thankfully the old school gender norms are going away (even if slowly)
 

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tbh people just love having an opinion on people/things that don't affect them in the slightest

imagine getting so upset/angry about how someone else lives their own life. geez
I know, right? Who cares if Canadians have a ridiculous accent? None of their business!!
Legitimately, thank you for saying this. If even you are confused by some of these things, I don't feel so bad admitting the same.
I will openly admit I don't understand it, it's beyond me because I'm not non-binary nor am I gender fluid. I am a binary woman, just one who has to take a very long, very unpleasant journey to reach the end portion of that journey.
I've said the same thing. I can understand feeling like you were born the wrong gender. I can see how that happens in the brain, but I don't understand non-binary at all. I don't understand how the brain can decide "nah, I'm not either". I don't judge, and you can be whatever you want or need to be, but I don't understand it.
That's how it should be. People being being, end of story.
I dont understand it or gender fluid either

My ignorant understanding is they dont identify with social norms of traditional man or woman, but there is nothing concrete about those and thankfully the old school gender norms are going away (even if slowly)
The sooner the norms are obliterated, the better.
 

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this is one thing i will not forgive. the maple-syrup-eating, hockey-loving, extreme-weather-tolerating bastards...
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tbh people just love having an opinion on people/things that don't affect them in the slightest

imagine getting so upset/angry about how someone else lives their own life. geez

That’s what it boils down to… “Did you see what he/she is wearing? Hideous. Look at those colors. The patterns clash.” It all sounds the same. People don’t know how to mind their business anymore, and the internet has given everyone a voice to be as hateful as they want with minimal repercussions.

Legitimately, thank you for saying this. If even you are confused by some of these things, I don't feel so bad admitting the same.

It’s reassuring, yes, but it also shows the fracture within that community between the older generation and younger generation, the one that often gets conflated with ALL trans people. The younger generation seems to fight more for a unique identity within the community, whereas the older generations tend to just want equality and to live their lives.

I've said the same thing. I can understand feeling like you were born the wrong gender. I can see how that happens in the brain, but I don't understand non-binary at all. I don't understand how the brain can decide "nah, I'm not either". I don't judge, and you can be whatever you want or need to be, but I don't understand it.

This is my exact sentiment. I’ve known gay, lesbian, and trans folk for a looong time, but the new language and definitions? I know an older gay man that got to meet Harvey Milk back in the day that’s STILL trying to figure out what the fuck gender-fluid is and whether or not semen was just renamed. The old heads out there in the community are just as confused as the straight folks like us watching it unfold from outside of the community.
 

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People don’t know how to mind their business anymore, and the internet has given everyone a voice to be as hateful as they want with minimal repercussions.
Id say it's worse than that. Repugnant views would outcast from society, but the internet allows them to find each other now and they think their views are more popular than they actually are
 

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Gotta' try to be open minded these days, but some of them...I just...it's beyond me. I mean, how do you keep on top of this:


You can’t. It’s fucking impossible, dude. Refresh it tomorrow and there’s probably a new one added. I’m all for people doing what they wanna do, but the labels have BEEN outta hand for a long time. Labels create division, not unison.
 

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I wouldn’t say that, “wrong” are the people slapping that bigot label on people that are ignorant to terminology being invented as we type.
Yeah I think a differentiation needs to be made. Like certainly there are straight up hateful people and fuck them, but some people are honestly trying and don't deserve to be attacked because they made an honest mistake or asked a question for clarity
 

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You can’t. It’s fucking impossible, dude. Refresh it tomorrow and there’s probably a new one added. I’m all for people doing what they wanna do, but the labels have BEEN outta hand for a long time. Labels create division, not unison.
I try to be open minded, because of course who am I to deny someone their right to be who and what they need to be? But it's SO hard to keep on top of.
 

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Yeah I think a differentiation needs to be made. Like certainly there are straight up hateful people and fuck them, but some people are honestly trying and don't deserve to be attacked because they made an honest mistake or asked a question for clarity
That's why I like starting topics like this. I can't speak for an entire community, but I'm also not the type to get pissed off over misunderstandings or a lack of knowledge. Ask questions, it's how you learn, and what better way to learn than having a few of us strange, exotic trans folks that won't bite your head off? :D
 

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Yeah I think a differentiation needs to be made. Like certainly there are straight up hateful people and fuck them, but some people are honestly trying and don't deserve to be attacked because they made an honest mistake or asked a question for clarity

That’s the thing, dude, talk to @Crystal or @Warp and @Fire Queen and you will see that the distinction exists. They’re all great people that are mature and capable of recognizing the difference between what you or I would say and what some dipshit on the street would say to them. The problem lies with people that simply refuse to make that distinction, whether it’s because they’re perpetuating the same hatred and intolerance they received for being trans, or they’re simply dead set on having an individual identity or classification for themselves.

That's why I like starting topics like this. I can't speak for an entire community, but I'm also not the type to get pissed off over misunderstandings or a lack of knowledge. Ask questions, it's how you learn, and what better way to learn than having a few of us strange, exotic trans folks that won't bite your head off? :D

…and that’s exactly why you will see my heterosexual, toxically masculine, red meat-eating, gun-loving ass in these threads. It’s an educational experience across the board, because not only am I learning about y’all, y’all are learning that not every “super straight” dude out there is looking to turn you into the next butt of a joke or hate crime victim.
 

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That’s the thing, dude, talk to @Crystal or @Warp and @Fire Queen and you will see that the distinction exists. They’re all great people that are mature and capable of recognizing the difference between what you or I would say and what some dipshit on the street would say to them. The problem lies with people that simply refuse to make that distinction, whether it’s because they’re perpetuating the same hatred and intolerance they received for being trans, or they’re simply dead set on having an individual identity or classification for themselves.
OMG TRANS RIGHTS NOW! HOW DARE YOU CALL ME DUDE OR BRO! I'M REPORTING YOU TO THE POLICE! WHERE IS YOUR MANAGER!!!!!

To quote the old news clip -- Ain't nobody got time for that.
…and that’s exactly why you will see my heterosexual, toxically masculine, red meat-eating, gun-loving ass in these threads. It’s an educational experience across the board, because not only am I learning about y’all, y’all are learning that not every “super straight” dude out there is looking to turn you into the next butt of a joke or hate crime victim.
Oh I've been long desensitized to the gun-loving, red meat eating type. One of my friends, I need to talk him into joining here, he's a gun loving guy, wants me to start carrying because of who I am, even wants to buy me a damn gun, lol, but he's much the same as you, even goes further, calls me bitch or slut all the time, lol. We share similar...interests...;)...so it works :D. But yeah, the more people that actually try and get to know what trans is rather than what trans is shown to be elsewhere, the better we'll all be.
 

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So off-the-cuff short-ish post now, actual considered experience post for some thoughts/questions in a bit.

I view the various Pride Flags as something like State Flags, y'know? I know they're out there, I might recognize a couple (although I recognize Trans and Gender-Fluid but could absolutely never identify, like, Ohio 😂), but I've literally never encountered a situation where I'm needing to be aware of this. And only rarely see any of them out in the wild, though that's always YMMV.

I vaguely know of the Bear movement, for example, but I don't think I would ever have a problem interacting with Gay men and having that be a concern or topic of discussion? And I've still never met anyone, offline or online, that didn't accept he/she/they. But then I'm also not trawling Twitter or accidentally stumbling into semi-private communities (like, say, here or ResetEra), so... anecdotal on my count, absolutely.

So not to downplay what is out there and does happen. But like, to me, it all just seems like hyper-paranoid theoretical scenarios and not something to worry about in practice. Which being "woke" or socially conscious enough to have those thoughts is always good, actual bigots don't give a fuck and have never remotely considered they might be wrong or being hurtful, but if those thoughts/concerns start stopping you from talking to people different than you that's prooobably always bad?


Edit: Okay I lied about it being short-ish. I WILL ONE DAY LEARN TO USE LESS WORDS. Maybe. ...Okay no that's a lie...
Never use less words, you're always spot on!
 

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Okay, okay. Wait.

I have a confession.

You're really bad about saying hon, right? I'm constantly throwing out "Dudebro" and "mang" in casual conversations because of my goddamn MMO guilds. It's horrible. 😂
Oh absolutely! I can't stop with the damn hons, lol.

Sometimes you just pick up terminology and it sticks, nothing wrong with it :D
 

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So off-the-cuff short-ish post now, actual considered experience post for some thoughts/questions in a bit.

I view the various Pride Flags as something like State Flags, y'know? I know they're out there, I might recognize a couple (although I recognize Trans and Gender-Fluid but could absolutely never identify, like, Ohio 😂), but I've literally never encountered a situation where I'm needing to be aware of this. And only rarely see any of them out in the wild, though that's always YMMV.

I vaguely know of the Bear movement, for example, but I don't think I would ever have a problem interacting with Gay men and having that be a concern or topic of discussion? And I've still never met anyone, offline or online, that didn't accept he/she/they. But then I'm also not trawling Twitter or accidentally stumbling into semi-private communities (like, say, here or ResetEra), so... anecdotal on my count, absolutely.

So not to downplay what is out there and does happen. But like, to me, it all just seems like hyper-paranoid theoretical scenarios and not something to worry about in practice. Which being "woke" or socially conscious enough to have those thoughts is always good, actual bigots don't give a fuck and have never remotely considered they might be wrong or being hurtful, but if those thoughts/concerns start stopping you from talking to people different than you that's prooobably always bad?


Edit: Okay I lied about it being short-ish. I WILL ONE DAY LEARN TO USE LESS WORDS. Maybe. ...Okay no that's a lie...

This is actually a very entertaining take on it… fucking Ohio killed me, though.

It’s funny that you bring up the bear movement, I was aware of that before I was aware of gender-fluid folks. One of my old co-workers in repo was a bear, big ol’ 50-something year old bald dude with a beard, “queer as a $3 bill” as he would put it. That particular designation of “bear” goes back further than him even.

OMG TRANS RIGHTS NOW! HOW DARE YOU CALL ME DUDE OR BRO! I'M REPORTING YOU TO THE POLICE! WHERE IS YOUR MANAGER!!!!!

That’s the one that gets me jammed up the most with random people, because I’ll call everyone dude. “Bro” or “brother” is specific for males to me, and “sister” would raise eyebrows from people coming outta me.

To quote the old news clip -- Ain't nobody got time for that.

Middle class straight white girls do, though. They’ve got your back.

Oh I've been long desensitized to the gun-loving, red meat eating type. One of my friends, I need to talk him into joining here, he's a gun loving guy, wants me to start carrying because of who I am, even wants to buy me a damn gun, lol, but he's much the same as you, even goes further, calls me bitch or slut all the time, lol. We share similar...interests...;)...so it works :D. But yeah, the more people that actually try and get to know what trans is rather than what trans is shown to be elsewhere, the better we'll all be.

GOOD. I also recommend that you are carrying. A motherfucker will think twice if they see a bulge on your hip. Giggity.
 

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This is actually a very entertaining take on it… fucking Ohio killed me, though.

It’s funny that you bring up the bear movement, I was aware of that before I was aware of gender-fluid folks. One of my old co-workers in repo was a bear, big ol’ 50-something year old bald dude with a beard, “queer as a $3 bill” as he would put it. That particular designation of “bear” goes back further than him even.
Oh I love my bear friends, they're just awesome. They're big ole' mountain men one minute and the most hilarious soft caring folk the next :D.
That’s the one that gets me jammed up the most with random people, because I’ll call everyone dude. “Bro” or “brother” is specific for males to me, and “sister” would raise eyebrows from people coming outta me.
You said it, sister.
Middle class straight white girls do, though. They’ve got your back.
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GOOD. I also recommend that you are carrying. A motherfucker will think twice if they see a bulge on your hip. Giggity.
They already think twice when they see the bul...oh, you mean a gun. Well, not really a great idea to give someone suffering from frequent suicidal ideation another means of seeing it through...but to the that same end, hell yeah, sign me up ;)
 

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They already think twice when they see the bul...oh, you mean a gun. Well, not really a great idea to give someone suffering from frequent suicidal ideation another means of seeing it through...but to the that same end, hell yeah, sign me up ;)

That’ll change, you’ll turn a corner one day and exist out of spite to the people, places, and things that made you not want to exist anymore. Trust and believe, from one that had ideations and means to do so to another.
 

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This.

Geddy Lee for Prime Minister of Canadia
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That’ll change, you’ll turn a corner one day and exist out of spite to the people, places, and things that made you not want to exist anymore. Trust and believe, from one that had ideations and means to do so to another.
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I thought you were recommending me for a minute then. Had to double take!
Yes! Lee for Prime Minister!
 

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I can see how that happens in the brain, but I don't understand non-binary at all. I don't understand how the brain can decide "nah, I'm not either". I don't judge, and you can be whatever you want or need to be, but I don't understand it.
I dont understand it or gender fluid either

My ignorant understanding is they dont identify with social norms of traditional man or woman, but there is nothing concrete about those and thankfully the old school gender norms are going away (even if slowly)
Welcome to the absolute clusterfuck that is Gender Identity. If you think it's hard wrapping your head around it as a concept from the outside, just imagine the fun you could be having trying to navigate the abyss from the inside! :chuckle

What we're I'm going to try and do here is functionally take philosophical works, psychological studies and matters of human existence and distill them into a forum post that is easy to understand. And to do that... I'm probably going to write a fucking novel here. And I'm still going to fail. And even if I somehow don't, this is not the end of it - this is just one single trans woman's experience and understanding and explanation. I need to be very up front about that. This is basically like asking someone to understand the life experience of a Black man in Harlem in the 1960's. We can be told the stories, we can empathize and sympathize, we can "get it" - but we cannot know. And, I must stress, that that is absolutely fine. :)

Further: I am not a doctor, psychologist, or expert for or of anything. Do not take anything here as sound advice in and of itself. If something in here resonates, please seek resources to consult with a trained professional. I'm also not a lawyer, if that's somehow relevant!

Anyway, hold on to your butts. This will probably be going to strange places.



Before we can start, we have to first establish some ground rules. The first is that, very unfortunately, societal norms and concepts are inexorably interwoven into Gender Identity. Try as you might, if you pull one thread this entire ball of yarn is moving with it. Hobbies, interests, career paths, emotional responses, styles and types of clothing - it's all in here somewhere. Baked into us by everything around us since infancy.

To start small: A tomboy, for example, is not a trans man. Tomboys generally lack interests in the qualities that society has settled upon, in this time period, that a feminine person "should" hold. But a tomboy is only a trans man if they feel that their body is not "correct." This is known as Gender Dysphoria, and that is the very specific phenomenon that your outer casing (your body) does not reflect your self-perception, your cognition, your soul. That is, you look into a mirror and expect to see some attributes, but those attributes are not there. Not only not there, but entirely different and wrong ones are in their place. This is similar to, but all together different from, Body Dysmorphic Disorder - which can be a contributing factor to something like anorexia. In this example a person will look at the mirror and see fat where no such fat actually exists; their perception is skewed in some way.

The difference is that Body Dysmorphic Disorder is a fault within the mind. Sources outside of the individual's mind can analyze the physical body and determine that what the person believes is not some combination of healthy, realistic and possible. Gender Dysphoria is a fault of the body, insofar that the mind, the heart, the soul is "right" and it is truly the body that is wrong. No outside source can analyze this intangible inner presence and gauge that its perceptions are flawed. Robust medical practices are employed to tease out things that the individual may not consciously be aware of, but it is not necessarily definitive. We are not our bodies, is the easiest way to explain this. You chop your arm off and you're still you, right? But if you could somehow remove the "me" from my body, I would be dead. So there is no cure; you can not fix what is not broken.

All you can do is treat the body, alter the body, to better match this perception. To treat the uneasiness, the anxiety, the depression, the mental strain - to help the person trapped within become comfortable. It's not a one-size fits all glove. Some individuals don't require much assistance to reach a place of equilibrium, others may go their entire lives and not fully achieve it. Obstacles placed in front of them in the forms of legislation, medical regulations and price do not help.



The concepts of "Man" and "Woman" are not necessarily immutable facts. This is different from, say, a male organism and a female organism conceiving an offspring. We use the two interchangeably and conflate the meanings, and that may be a function of language not adapting quickly enough, but they are distinct. It's complicated, and even more so if Religion gets involved. However, two men - a cis Man and a trans Man - can conceive a child together.

The concepts we have are ultimately a complex nexus of characteristics that we have labeled to make sense of the universe. The exact number of characteristics required, and what some of those characteristics even are, have and will continue to shift and change across time. Whenever a seemingly immutable fact is presented, such that a Man is a person with 1 X Chromosone and 1 Y Chromosone, the universe laughs at our feeble attempts to dictate what it can be. So we have scenarios like Swyer Syndrome (XY Female) and Chapelle Syndrome (XX Male), and even the "limit" on the number of chromosones is more of a guideline at best. XXY, XYY and XXYY are all also documented. The universe does not care.

As our collective understanding has grown, we have found that gender is not an On/Off light switch. It's a spectrum; a dimmer switch. There are many points along this spectrum that a person may find themselves, and that position is not necessarily permanently fixed. In this context you can set arbitrary markers and somewhat napkin math out how everything works. If, for example, the 20% at the end of one side of the spectrum is "Man," and a person's self-perception stays between 0% and 20%, then we (really: they) may safely say that this person is a Man. Likewise for Woman, on the 100% to 80% end.

Non-Binary, or Enby (phonetically "NB"), are simply people that do not fit within the boundaries of either Man or Woman. They can be near the middle and may choose to appear androgynistic, which can mean they have traits generally associated with both or they can present having traits not (strongly) associated with either. They can also lean more towards one end or another, anywhere between 21% and 49% for Man or 79% and 51% for Woman to continue the visualization, but their perception does not fully adhere to it. As someone that is not herself Enby, I do not know, but I can imagine scenarios upon which our X-Y axis scale is also outdated and does not factor in the possible existence of a Z-axis.

With this baseline in consideration, it is now easy to understand Gender-Fluid. These individuals simply do not have an anchored position for their perception. It will, under no control of the individual, shimmy and slide along the spectrum over periods of time. They will sometimes be Man, sometimes be Woman, sometimes be Neither and at others Both. The exact period will vary from person to person, and may not be steady or predictable. Their perception may linger in spots for long periods of time, or may even semi-permanently anchor. They aren't specifically Enby simply because of this uncertainty.



There are additional considerations for all of the above, of course. If you begin to enter the world of inner monologues and especially Compartmentalization, for example, you may find that individuals belonging to these groups have multiple inner "voices." Marina has mentioned this previously, but it is not to be confused with Dissociative Identity Disorder. There are not competing personas, per se, but rather multiple strands of a singular personality acting in concert - and not all of those strands are necessarily of the same Gender Identity or otherwise fully in sync.

Another facet may be neurodivergence. Not necessarily the spectrum, though perhaps, but rather the simple act of perceiving the world in a way that differs from society's norm. There are many reported cases and instances of remarkable individuals that can "see" music, or those that can hear musical melodies and instantly replay them. It is perhaps not too much of a stretch, then, that some individuals simply do not approach the various aspects of Gender Identity in a traditional manner. Be that my younger self seeing Man as a job title, or something even more abstract.

Either way, I hope this mountain of words makes some amount of sense and helps to point you in a helpful direction. :^
 

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Non-Binary, or Enby (phonetically "NB"), are simply people that do not fit within the boundaries of either Man or Woman. They can be near the middle and may choose to appear androgynistic, which can mean they have traits generally associated with both or they can present having traits not (strongly) associated with either. They can also lean more towards one end or another, anywhere between 21% and 49% for Man or 79% and 51% for Woman to continue the visualization, but their perception does not fully adhere to it. As someone that is not herself Enby, I do not know, but I can imagine scenarios upon which our X-Y axis scale is also outdated and does not factor in the possible existence of a Z-axis.

With this baseline in consideration, it is now easy to understand Gender-Fluid. These individuals simply do not have an anchored position for their perception. It will, under no control of the individual, shimmy and slide along the spectrum over periods of time. They will sometimes be Man, sometimes be Woman, sometimes be Neither and at others Both. The exact period will vary from person to person, and may not be steady or predictable. Their perception may linger in spots for long periods of time, or may even semi-permanently anchor. They aren't specifically Enby simply because of this uncertainty.
This is the best way I've ever heard it described. Previously it's been outlined more like a feeling and that throws me off, because to me gender isn't a feeling, it's a known quantity. Reading it in this context actually helps make it understandable, to an extent. It's still beyond me, I don't experience what they experience and never will, but at least it's understandable.

And yes, the entire construct of gender identity is a massive clusterfuck and one that you're truly lucky if you can accurately define yourself and be happy.
 

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I'd say you've got a pretty decent grasp on it, from what little perspective I have of it. It's funny, you get asked about non-binary and gender-fluid a lot as a trans person, but it's like asking a Frenchman how to speak Italian. :shrug
 

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VERY much agreed! Just because we're in the acronym doesn't mean we're working on the same wavelength. Hell, there is so much variation within what trans is in itself that even us as one letter of that acronym sometimes struggle within ourselves to understand others. Hell, we could never explain the experience of trans men, and they could never explain the experience of trans women. Just being a part of a group doesn't mean we can explain it to perfection, lol. But it definitely feels like an expectation at times!
 

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Honestly, that's one of my pet peeves with low-effort reactionary types that just have had the same two "jokes" on repeat for over a decade. Which, I mean, we all know what they are but for the record: "I Identify As _____" and "Did You Just Assume My _____." We get it. Please stop.

But if we could get past all the bigotry and dumbassery, and y'know all that Socialist stuff like free medical care got made available, the Trans Experience™ is fucking ripe for comedy.



There was one standup routine that I really enjoyed, but like a dipshit I forgot to bookmark it. I tried looking for it on YouTube - there's a joke in here about this very thing, I'm sure of it - and that's how I found the above video which is cute. But, obviously, finding that single thing required me scrolling past half a dozen obviously Two Jokes videos and videos blatantly attacking trans folk, clicking on a couple that seemed like maybe they would possibly be okay but... but no. And I kinda just lost the appetite to keep digging. :rolleyes:

But if I stumble upon it again, I'll definitely post it!

Trans comedy is...hard (pun not intended). One day we'll get the barriers broken down and trans comedy will start to sit in the same vein as other comedy, but we're a long, long way from not being the butt of the joke.

There are some comedians that are starting to get there, sort of, but it reaches the point of scoring brownie points rather than being genuinely funny. For instance:

 
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