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We need more of this. Sadly, even in my neck of the woods, trans people are often fired from their jobs when they come out. I remember when there was a trans woman working at a local gas station. I had no issues with her and thought she was a nice person. But the place would often get complaints about her and eventually, they ended up letting her go.
 
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That's so wonderful to read!

I was nervous coming out as a lesbian at work (which I know is a much more accepted thing than being trans, but one of my co-workers once went on an unsolicited rant about how pro-choice people were somehow responsible for mass shootings in schools, so... you never know), and it was a complete non-issue. People can surprise you in good ways sometimes.
Absolutely, it's a difficult thing to come out to anyone, but the workplace is always going to be the hardest, you spend time working in close proximity with people and need that relationship to continue for obvious reasons. I'm so glad everything went well for you!
 
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The last that came out about that was back in February where Ford was asked if he'd be following what Smith introduced and it was a flat-out No. At the time he was applauded for it, but what is to come remains to be seen as he's broken his word many times already.

Aside from legality, Poilevre has been causing massive issues here at a cultural level. Saw some "Poilevre 2025" flags the other day so it's starting to ramp up.
I don't trust Ford one bit, nor do I trust any of those shady Tory fuckers. I'm willing to bet they'll do the same, use something like the Cass report to suggest there isn't enough evidence to claim that trans healthcare is beneficial, and then use that to push legislation through.
 

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I mean, I shouldn't be surprised by people I guess, but somehow I sometimes still am?
Yeeeah. The line of thinking was abortion is baby murder -> a society that allows baby murder doesn't value life -> a society that doesn't value life encourages children to murder other children.

He might actually be on to something with the "a society which doesn't value life results in many mass murders" thing, but his foundation could use some work.

And given that Doug Ford already talked about parent's rights and said schools shouldn't be indoctrinating children, I'm very concerned that Ontario might be following suit with Alberta soon.
Funny how it's not "indoctrination" when the message is trans people don't exist/are child groomers/whatever the nonsense they're pushing nowadays is.
 

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Here's a bit of happier news you all might appreciate: as you probably read elsewhere, my girlfriend got bottom surgery over a week ago. She's recovering well, and the hospital staff have given up keeping her in bed, so we've been going out for short jaunts to the nearby markets. She had a random person compliment her on how pretty she is yesterday. To me, she seems a lot more comfortable with herself.

Tomorrow she's getting voice surgery, which should put her voice firmly in what's generally considered the feminine range. Hopefully that'll put a stop to the regular misgendering she gets.
 

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How do they plan to enforce that? They going to check birth certificates?
Bathroom bills don't actually have anything to do with trans folk, they're strictly about enforcing rigid gender stereotypes. It merely gives people - security guards, police, hyper-aggressive men - just cause to invade women's spaces. To grope, assault or worse the people inside that either do not conform to their fucked world view or that are "too pretty" to be real women and so must be assaulted in order to prove themselves.

It's about fear and control. Same as everything else.





This isn't positive per se, because so little can be. But it's... a thing I saw pop up, that isn't shocking, but goes through the motions and maybe provides a little hope.

A GOP Texas school board member campaigned against schools indoctrinating kids. Then she read the curriculum.
Courtney Gore, a Granbury ISD school board member, has disavowed the far-right platform she campaigned on. Her defiance has brought her backlash.

Weeks after winning a school board seat in her deeply red Texas county, Courtney Gore immersed herself in the district’s curriculum, spending her nights and weekends poring over hundreds of pages of lesson plans that she had fanned out on the coffee table in her living room and even across her bed. She was searching for evidence of the sweeping national movement she had warned on the campaign trail was indoctrinating schoolchildren.

Gore, the co-host of a far-right online talk show, had promised that she would be a strong Republican voice on the nonpartisan school board. Citing “small town, conservative Christian values,” she pledged to inspect educational materials for inappropriate messages about sexuality and race and remove them from every campus in the 7,700-student Granbury Independent School District, an hour southwest of Fort Worth. “Over the years our American Education System has been hijacked by Leftists looking to indoctrinate our kids into the ‘progressive’ way of thinking, and yes, they’ve tried to do this in Granbury ISD,” she wrote in a September 2021 Facebook post, two months before the election. “I cannot sit by and watch their twisted worldview infiltrate Granbury ISD.”

But after taking office and examining hundreds of pages of curriculum, Gore was shocked by what she found — and didn’t find.

The pervasive indoctrination she had railed against simply did not exist. Children were not being sexualized, and she could find no examples of critical race theory, an advanced academic concept that examines systemic racism. She’d examined curriculum related to social-emotional learning, which has come under attack by Christian conservatives who say it encourages children to question gender roles and prioritizes feelings over biblical teachings. Instead, Gore found the materials taught children “how to be a good friend, a good human.”

Gore rushed to share the news with the hard-liners who had encouraged her to run for the seat. She expected them to be as relieved and excited as she had been. But she said they were indifferent, even dismissive, because “it didn’t fit the narrative that they were trying to push.”
 

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Here's a bit of happier news you all might appreciate: as you probably read elsewhere, my girlfriend got bottom surgery over a week ago. She's recovering well, and the hospital staff have given up keeping her in bed, so we've been going out for short jaunts to the nearby markets. She had a random person compliment her on how pretty she is yesterday. To me, she seems a lot more comfortable with herself.

Tomorrow she's getting voice surgery, which should put her voice firmly in what's generally considered the feminine range. Hopefully that'll put a stop to the regular misgendering she gets.
That's fantastic news! Happy to hear everything's went all and that she's recovering quickly! :love:
 
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Here's a bit of happier news you all might appreciate: as you probably read elsewhere, my girlfriend got bottom surgery over a week ago. She's recovering well, and the hospital staff have given up keeping her in bed, so we've been going out for short jaunts to the nearby markets. She had a random person compliment her on how pretty she is yesterday. To me, she seems a lot more comfortable with herself.

Tomorrow she's getting voice surgery, which should put her voice firmly in what's generally considered the feminine range. Hopefully that'll put a stop to the regular misgendering she gets.
Aww, even more envious and also so happy for her! Vocal surgery is a tough one, as well, but I hope she ends up with a lovely feminine voice. I can't imagine how at home she must feel without the big one done
 
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Here's a bit of happier news you all might appreciate: as you probably read elsewhere, my girlfriend got bottom surgery over a week ago. She's recovering well, and the hospital staff have given up keeping her in bed, so we've been going out for short jaunts to the nearby markets. She had a random person compliment her on how pretty she is yesterday. To me, she seems a lot more comfortable with herself.

Tomorrow she's getting voice surgery, which should put her voice firmly in what's generally considered the feminine range. Hopefully that'll put a stop to the regular misgendering she gets.
So happy for her, and glad to hear the recovery process is going well. Can't stress enough how important of a step it is for her to feel at home in her own skin.
 

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Bathroom bills don't actually have anything to do with trans folk, they're strictly about enforcing rigid gender stereotypes. It merely gives people - security guards, police, hyper-aggressive men - just cause to invade women's spaces. To grope, assault or worse the people inside that either do not conform to their fucked world view or that are "too pretty" to be real women and so must be assaulted in order to prove themselves.

It's about fear and control. Same as everything else.
I was being kind of snarky, because it's impossible to tell what gender someone was assigned at birth just by looking at them, so this is impossible to enforce reasonably (but would still be dumb even if it could be, of course).

She’d examined curriculum related to social-emotional learning, which has come under attack by Christian conservatives who say it encourages children to question gender roles and prioritizes feelings over biblical teachings.
That seems like a perfectly reasonable thing for schools to be teaching. People should question gender roles. Schools shouldn't be mentioning biblical teachings at all. If you don't like that, go put your kid in a private religious school. Ugh.
 

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That's a great story! 😄

And, yeah, society's toxic view of women is a huge part of the equation. There's something that would be almost validating about that in and of itself, if all the bigots could maybe stub their toes and spontaneously explode or something?

'Cause I mean, yeah, plenty of cis women wish they were short, dainty little flowers because that's the modern fashion model and junk. And not knocking the ladies that do have that physique, but - virtually all of the women that have been or are currently in my life are... not that. Quite tall on average, definitely not rail thin, there isn't a "dignified lady" to be fucking seen. :giggle

Muscular/athletic women would definitely be amongst the first groups to be able to identify with our struggles, at any rate. :)
This is the norm in my life, as well, well, minus the tall, but certainly not rail thin super models. Just women.
 
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That's a great story! 😄

And, yeah, society's toxic view of women is a huge part of the equation. There's something that would be almost validating about that in and of itself, if all the bigots could maybe stub their toes and spontaneously explode or something?

'Cause I mean, yeah, plenty of cis women wish they were short, dainty little flowers because that's the modern fashion model and junk. And not knocking the ladies that do have that physique, but - virtually all of the women that have been or are currently in my life are... not that. Quite tall on average, definitely not rail thin, there isn't a "dignified lady" to be fucking seen. :giggle

Muscular/athletic women would definitely be amongst the first groups to be able to identify with our struggles, at any rate. :)
Women come in all different shapes, sizes, & forms. It's not just women it happens to, but men as well when we're talking about society's ideal view of what a man or woman should look like. This body shaming nonsense needs to stop.
 

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Continuing with the validation train and a little bit of fun., a friend just sent me this gem...
Oh god I remember this, it's awesome! :giggle

And the amount of seething impotent rage the vile morons spewed about Bill Nye becoming... whatever the equivalent of woke was in 2017, was also something. So many salty bigot manbaby tears. lol
 
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I'm always lowkey jealous of perpetually online keyboard warrior bigots.

Like their lives must be amazing and privileged and amazingly privileged to be able to dedicate hours day in and day out for years on end whinging on the internet about people they've never met and will never see.

Personally I'd use the time for playing video games or sleeping, but whatever floats their boat I guess. :giggle
Right?! If your biggest problem is bitching about others, life is good. If you're BEING the hate that rains down on others, yeah, life is too good for you.
 
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I'm always lowkey jealous of perpetually online keyboard warrior bigots.

Like their lives must be amazing and privileged and amazingly privileged to be able to dedicate hours day in and day out for years on end whinging on the internet about people they've never met and will never see.

Personally I'd use the time for playing video games or sleeping, but whatever floats their boat I guess. :giggle
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I wouldn't exactly call dwelling in your parents' basement privileged.
 

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That's so heart warming. I teared up a bit too.

'Cause I mean, yeah, plenty of cis women wish they were short, dainty little flowers because that's the modern fashion model and junk. And not knocking the ladies that do have that physique, but - virtually all of the women that have been or are currently in my life are... not that. Quite tall on average, definitely not rail thin, there isn't a "dignified lady" to be fucking seen. :giggle

Muscular/athletic women would definitely be amongst the first groups to be able to identify with our struggles, at any rate. :)
The grass is always greener, eh? I'm an exactly average height woman (5 foot 3), and I envy the tall, athletic women out there. My GF complains about her "broad" shoulders, but I would looove to have her shoulders and arms.

I'm always lowkey jealous of perpetually online keyboard warrior bigots.

Like their lives must be amazing and privileged and amazingly privileged to be able to dedicate hours day in and day out for years on end whinging on the internet about people they've never met and will never see.
Right?! The silly things I see people making a fuss about, it makes me wonder how they even have the energy. My life is pretty cushy, and I can't even work up outrage over all the things that legitimately deserve it, much less the BS so many people manage to get worked up about.
 
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I spent a lot of time & energy working on my WWE 2K24 Universe Mode save. For as frustrating as it was trying to work around a major issue in the game preventing me from downloading select content from Community Creations due to it corrupting other custom logos, at least it was time well spent, unlike the people who waste their lives away complaining about things that really don't impact their lives.
 

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The grass is always greener, eh? I'm an exactly average height woman (5 foot 3), and I envy the tall, athletic women out there.
I'd love to be a couple of inches shorter, I hate being over 6 foot. I'm already a spectacle, I don't need the height, lol.
My GF complains about her "broad" shoulders, but I would looove to have her shoulders and arms.
Common trans worry, I loathe my shoulders, they're far too broad. I understand her dislike for her own.
 

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The boys at school poked fun at me for being a short girl. I'd always get called a midget. -_____-
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It's almost like no matter what you look like or who you are, you'll get bullied for it by somebody.
100% true. I got it for being ginger, a nerd, someone who liked gaming and card collecting before they were cool, for wearing glasses, for being...not masculine.
 

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Huh, so there's apparently someone named Skepta with a song called Disguise, and just...what the fuck...

"Transvestites, more than meets the eye
Transvestites, mandem in disguise
Transvestites, more than meets the eye
Transvestites, mandem in disguise
(Yo! Skepta) mandem in disguise

You thought it was a girl 'cause he had a handbag
You didn't know it was a next man's grandad
Don't rush into things rudeboy
Take some more time, check out the jawline
Now you're high off the herb you bun
So walk away like me, Jme and the Murkle done

Make sure it's a red light, not a blue or purple one
It's called the Red-Light District, also known as the Concrete Jungle
You thought you was talking to a girl
You didn't know it was a next man's uncle
That's why I'm warning people
I repeat, I'm warning people
So if you still make the mistake, don't try and blame it on the New York Diesel

Transvestites, more than meets the eye
Transvestites, mandem in disguise
Transvestites, more than meets the eye
Transvestites, mandem in disguise
Mandem in disguise

They're not girls, they're guys! They're mandem in disguise
They tried it on the sly, with that purple light
And their eyebrows high, like a permanent surprise
Robin Hood can fly, but not these men in tights
I don't blaze, I don't drink, my mind is clear
I know what I think, I see they're looking at me in the window, they wanna take man's P
I've got no qualms with your sexuality, but why are you trying to trick me?
When I go home, back to reality, I'm gonna spread the word to the Pickney

Transvestites, more than meets the eye
Transvestites, mandem in disguise
Transvestites, more than meets the eye
Transvestites, mandem in disguise
Mandem in disguise

Don't be fooled by the makeup
'Cause it might not be a girl when you wake up
Just because he's got long hair
High heels and a little bit of cleavage, leave it
Look properly, it's needed
Stay away from the mushrooms
You've gotta stay focused, it's needed

And you're gonna be weeded
And you're gonna be running the Red-Light District
So beware of the purple lights
Some of those girls ain't girls
If you look properly, you'll see they're guys
They're men in disguise, you better open your eyes
If you go in the blue door don't be surprised, they're mandem in disguise

Transvestites, more than meets the eye
Transvestites, mandem in disguise
Transvestites, more than meets "the eye
Transvestites, mandem in disguise
Mandem in disguise"
 
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Here we go with the bullshit claiming trans women are men cosplaying as women again, and that they're gay men.

You fucking dolt, these are people who were born in the wrong bodies at birth. You want to talk about people pretending to be someone they're not? Then how about the trans people who are forced to live their lives not as their authentic selves because of the way society looks down on them? How about the people who can't do so because laws are in place that prevent them from doing so (and in some cases, criminalize them)?
 
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Trans women are like Black men in that regard: Simultaneously the best and the worst at everything.

For Black men, they're somehow both an ignorant subhuman species that couldn't tie their own shoelaces without help from the White Man™. But also they're literally superhuman with surpassing intellect, capable of easily overpowering and outrunning a dozen whiteys and masterminding global conspiracies to erase the Aryan Race once and for all. :facepalm

So for someone like me, well clearly I'm just trying to trick men into having sex with me whilst also simultaneously preying upon women in their bathrooms and grooming/trafficking/molesting any child within 5 miles! Literally and figuratively. Basically I guess I'm just a slut that'll have sex with everyone and everything, and everyone should definitely be 100% afraid at all times. :shrug

And then when you consider the mortality rate for Black trans women, everything slots into place. :ugh
Or you know, you're just a woman in a healthy relationship with another woman, living her life as her real self. It's as simple as that, nothing complicated.
 

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Meanwhile my dumb ass is over here at 6'5", 'bout 21" shoulder to shoulder, and honestly could do without some of it. :rofl
See, I'm tall, you just took it to silly extremes. 6'5"? Pfft, who do you think you are, @The Eye in the Sky!?! :p

(sorry, I have to mock tall people, blame my brother, he was 6'7"...he made sure I knew it, too!)
Although it does have its perks. I ain't gotta worry about using a step stool for the top shelf, and I can just reach up and grab the fixture on the ceiling when it's time to change the lightbulbs or something. My partner haaates being tall, too, so I make sure to flex on her at every opportunity and then call her shorty after the deed is done. Y'know, to make her feel better. ;)
You probably make her feel much better about her height, honestly. I like being around taller people (you silly people!) because I feel less conspicuous by comparison :D
Thankfully Transformers, courtesy of Weird Al, has this motherfucker covered:
Weird Al ftw!!
I mean... yes, but also, maybe not? Like I'm having a bit of a rough time parsing whether this is meant to be an anti-trans screed (which it's failing pretty miserably at lol) or if it's just playing into the whole tired ass "Bangkok Prostitute" trope. :shake
Probably spends all of his time watching Futa porn and wishing he had one in his room. The types that are the most vocal usually have the most skeletons in the closet.
So for someone like me, well clearly I'm just trying to trick men into having sex with me whilst also simultaneously preying upon women in their bathrooms and grooming/trafficking/molesting any child within 5 miles! Literally and figuratively. Basically I guess I'm just a slut that'll have sex with everyone and everything, and everyone should definitely be 100% afraid at all times. :shrug
Yay, go slut go! :D

I hear you there, we tranny monsters are just out to rape and pillage!
And then when you consider the mortality rate for Black trans women, everything slots into place. :ugh
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