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Ok, Ok, Let's Talk Trans

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My experience growing up in an impoverished area of Ohio is that 100% of scenarios where ID is required are deliberate attempts at discrimination of one variety or another. The very act of getting a State ID, in fact, is incredibly rigged and discriminatory - it's not about proving someone's identity, it's about having a legal avenue of excluding and denying people basic, and oftentimes essential, services.
Sometimes that's the case, but 100% of the time? There's never any reason to establish someone's identity? Yeah, some people find it difficult to get one, but I don't see any way a movie theatre would benefit from intentionally excluding those people. Probably they're mostly too broke to go to the movies anyway.

It's a lot more likely the theatre is struggling financially and has incompetent management that thinks people abusing the passes is somehow the cause of their financial woes.

Most instances of things like this aren't malice, but rather a lack of knowledge and empathy about how it affects minorities. It's still shitty, the manager should've made an exception, but that doesn't mean the policy or this action was done out of malice.

IMO the real problem in this situation is that it's such a hardship for that woman to get an ID with a name she feels comfortable using that she hasn't done so already. The theater is being dumb and carelessly harming people, but asking for ID isn't some generally horrible act. I personally had no idea changing your name was so difficult and expensive until this conversation, so I imagine the vast majority of people don't know it either.

There's no "fraud" or whatever to commit at a movie theater either, so their justification falls flat. Fixed prices on tickets via subscription are a solution to a problem that the theaters themselves created
There's not fraud in the sense that would ever be legally prosecuted, but it's certainly "deception for financial gain" to share a subscription meant for a single person. I agree with you that this isn't helping them, they've brought it on themselves by pricing the subscription in a way that it's not profitable for people to actually use it fully despite the limits they've put on it. It's a normal and reasonable thing to sell a subscription service meant to be used by a single person though.

IDK if anybody remembers this or was even aware of it, but the subscription thing was originally done by a third party. You could spend a flat monthly fee to see as many movies as you wanted, and even though the third party was presumably buying the tickets at full price (because how could they possibly force the theatre to give them discounted tickets?), all the theaters completely lost their shit over it and did everything in their power to prevent people from using it. IIRC it eventually shuttered on its own because it wasn't profitable at a price point people were willing to pay, then theaters all implemented their own version of it... Despite the fact that it hadn't even been successful. So it's even more stupid they couldn't foresee the financial problems with the program and are resorting to ID checks.

AMC isn't in my area, but half the time when I go to Regal, there isn't even anybody making sure you have a ticket at all. Even if there is, it's usually trivial to get past them without showing a ticket. I wonder if all of AMC is so anal about it or if it's one rogue dipshit manager.

Correct. Genocide is the point; trans folk succumbing to suicide just speeds up the process as far as they're concerned. :ugh
I don't believe this to be generally true. The vast majority of people would be horrified by any child killing themselves, regardless of whether they're trans. They just don't believe the policy will lead to that. Obviously that position is wrong and incredibly harmful, but they're mostly thinking "if we hammer home the message that you should accept your body as it is, they'll grow out of it and be fine." The average person doesn't know much, if anything, about being trans. They don't realize it's different from being uncomfortable with your weight or your height or things like that.

I'm not making excuses for them. It's completely inexcusable for legislators to not be informed on a topic before legislating, and especially anybody in politics must've surely at least heard that suicide is a risk of policies like this. It's unconscionable to play with people's lives like that without seriously considering the possible consequences. I'm only saying this because when we start with the mindset of "the cruelty is the point", it becomes an intractable situation. Most people would have a different position if reality could penetrate their thick skulls. Not all people unfortunately, but most are not out to see trans people dead, they are just dangerously ignorant. That's a problem that can be fixed more easily than hatred.
 
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I don't believe this to be generally true. The vast majority of people would be horrified by any child killing themselves, regardless of whether they're trans. They just don't believe the policy will lead to that. Obviously that position is wrong and incredibly harmful, but they're mostly thinking "if we hammer home the message that you should accept your body as it is, they'll grow out of it and be fine." The average person doesn't know much, if anything, about being trans. They don't realize it's different from being uncomfortable with your weight or your height or things like that.

I'm not making excuses for them. It's completely inexcusable for legislators to not be informed on a topic before legislating, and especially anybody in politics must've surely at least heard that suicide is a risk of policies like this. It's unconscionable to play with people's lives like that without seriously considering the possible consequences. I'm only saying this because when we start with the mindset of "the cruelty is the point", it becomes an intractable situation. Most people would have a different position if reality could penetrate their thick skulls. Not all people unfortunately, but most are not out to see trans people dead, they are just dangerously ignorant. That's a problem that can be fixed more easily than hatred.
Genocide is absolutely the point in all this. It's not just the kids that are being targeted by anti-trans legislation, but adults too. Look at what's being done to ban any sort of educational material on the matter. Look at the bills proposed to bring in laws that ban trans women from womens' spaces, laws that prohibit them from getting the healthcare they need, laws that attempt to define one's gender as their assigned sex at birth, and so forth. When the intent is clearly to remove them from public life, then yeah, that's classified as genocide.

The whole argument of this being done to "protect the kids/women" can be thrown out the window as far as I'm concerned. Especially when people already have went on record to openly advocate for genocide.
 

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Lynn Conway has passed away :( .

For those unaware, Lynn Conway was a computer scientist who was fired from IBM in 1968 for undergoing gender affirming treatment to transition from male to female. She restarted her career in 1973 and blazed a trail for women both cis and trans in the STEM fields. She's a true hallmark of the trans community.

 

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Funny how friends can be sometimes...I have a right-leaning friend that has had a bit of a hard time since I came out, and it's gotten worse in recent times. I made a post about the boxers...ya' know...those boxers...and it turned into a bit of a thing that wound up with this:

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As soon as I leave? What magical, amazing things was this friend so self-conscious about that she felt she couldn't post because of me?

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...yeah...classy...
 

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Funny how friends can be sometimes...I have a right-leaning friend that has had a bit of a hard time since I came out, and it's gotten worse in recent times. I made a post about the boxers...ya' know...those boxers...and it turned into a bit of a thing that wound up with this:

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...yeah...classy...
That's horrible. I'm actually shocked.
 
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Funny how friends can be sometimes...I have a right-leaning friend that has had a bit of a hard time since I came out, and it's gotten worse in recent times. I made a post about the boxers...ya' know...those boxers...and it turned into a bit of a thing that wound up with this:

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Yeah, it is for the best you leave those asshats in the dust. Fuck them, you're better off without them.
 

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Funny how friends can be sometimes...I have a right-leaning friend that has had a bit of a hard time since I came out, and it's gotten worse in recent times. I made a post about the boxers...ya' know...those boxers...and it turned into a bit of a thing that wound up with this:

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Oh look, part two...

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You know the kids go to school and they come back with these operations. The parents have no say, and these childs, these poor, poor childs, 15 years later they say what the hell? Who did this to me? Who did this to the childs?

Because, ya know, regret rates are so high at less than 1%... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8099405/

But those poor childs at school getting surgery!! How awful!
 

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You know the kids go to school and they come back with these operations. The parents have no say, and these childs, these poor, poor childs, 15 years later they say what the hell? Who did this to me? Who did this to the childs?

Because, ya know, regret rates are so high at less than 1%... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8099405/

But those poor childs at school getting surgery!! How awful!
I remember my high school offered elective surgeries instead of regular electives
 

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I'm thinking of splitting out the news posts from this thread and making a trans news thread out of them so this can return to its original point...ask questions about trans things we haven't done that for some time, and I invite anyone/everyone to go back to asking anything on their minds about trans issues, people, etc or just something they want to know. I'm happy to answer, as I'm sure would our other trans members continue to be should they so desire.

So I might do that in the next couple of days.
 
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