Ok, Ok, Let's Talk Trans

[Raine]

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[MC74]

That's what they want. They expect people to live their life the way it suits them. It's rich that the ones whining & bitching about people being brainwashed and indoctrinated are the same ones trying to control how others live their life.

 

[Raine]

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[MC74]

Shows how little they care about the real issues at hand.

 

[Crystal]

Mmhm. And the ones protecting and perpetuating the TERFs/"Gender Critical movement" are the very misogynists those people are supposedly keeping women safe from.

It's lunacy.

Yeah, protect women! From women who dare to need to pee while having a birth defect

 

[MC74]

Yeah, protect women! From women who dare to need to pee while having a birth defect

Ayuh, and because all trans women have penises, right?

....Except that when they undergo bottom surgery, pee pee goes choppy choppy. So, there goes that argument out the window.

 

[Crystal]

Ayuh, and because all trans women have penises, right?

....Except that when they undergo bottom surgery, pee pee goes choppy choppy. So, there goes that argument out the window.

Yeah, but then we're just freaks

 

[MC74]

Yeah, but then we're just freaks

I don't care what kind of BS labels they want to throw upon trans women. They are women too.

 

[Crystal]

I don't care what kind of BS labels they want to throw upon trans women. They are women too.

 

[Raine]

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[Crystal]

Meanwhile, trans men in women's bathrooms after TERFs get what they want.

...Oh wait.

They don't see that side of it, they only see dudes in dresses. That trans men exist is nowhere near their radar

 

[MC74]

Damn right you do!

Meanwhile, trans men in women's bathrooms after TERFs get what they want.

...Oh wait.

Precisely, and now you see just how stupid their viewpoint really is.

 

[MC74]

They don't see that side of it, they only dudes in dresses. That trans men exist is nowhere near their radar

See? That's the problem. They were trained in the ancient ways of thinking. Perhaps if they were trained in the new way, they would've stood a chance.

 

[Crystal]

See? That's the problem. They were trained in the ancient ways of thinking. Perhaps if they were trained in the new way, they would've stood a chance.

Well I was trained in bitch-fu, so they can bring it on!

 

[MC74]

Well I was trained in bitch-fu, so they can bring it on!

And I will happily team up with you. You've got my support!

 

[MC74]

Speaking of dresses, we need to get you in one, Crystal. I think you'd look cute.

 

[Crystal]

Speaking of dresses, we need to get you in one, Crystal. I think you'd look cute.

No, no one wants to see me in a dress, that's for sure!

 

[MC74]

No, no one wants to see me in a dress, that's for sure!

It never hurts. You might actually feel good in one.

 

[Crystal]

It never hurts. You might actually feel good in one.

I'm not saying I dislike them, I just don't look good in them, at all.

 

[MC74]

I'm not saying I dislike them, I just don't look good in them, at all.

Hopefully with time, that improves.

 

[MC74]

This is disheartening to hear. A masked mob of around 200 people in Greece chased a trans couple out of a film festival.

Thousands protest after a 200-person mob chased a trans couple out of a film festival - LGBTQ Nation

The mob hurled bottles at the couple, and one of them was punched in the face.

www.lgbtqnation.com

 

[Crystal]

This is disheartening to hear. A masked mob of around 200 people in Greece chased a trans couple out of a film festival.

Thousands protest after a 200-person mob chased a trans couple out of a film festival - LGBTQ Nation

The mob hurled bottles at the couple, and one of them was punched in the face.

www.lgbtqnation.com

Witch hunts. Nice to see we never learn from history.

 

[MC74]

Witch hunts. Nice to see we never learn from history.

In an ideal world, people would look back on the crimes committed against humanity, the countless wars that have broken out which have resulted in the lives of millions lost and left civilizations in ruin, and use that as a valuable lesson to remind us of the consequences when this kind of shit gets out of hand.

Unfortunately, that is not the case. The old saying rings especially true here if we're not careful. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

 

[Crystal]

In an ideal world, people would look back on the crimes committed against humanity, the countless wars that have broken out which have resulted in the lives of millions lost and left civilizations in ruin, and use that as a valuable lesson to remind us of the consequences when this kind of shit gets out of hand.

Unfortunately, that is not the case. The old saying rings especially true here if we're not careful. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

I hate to compare the current attacks on trans people to other events in history, because no doubt those events were far worse, but...there are a LOT of comparisons to historical events that are popping up over and over again. We're following a similar path as we have done in the past, and it leads to horrible places.

 

[MC74]

I hate to compare the current attacks on trans people to other events in history, because no doubt those events were far worse, but...there are a LOT of comparisons to historical events that are popping up over and over again. We're following a similar path as we have done in the past, and it leads to horrible places.

As do I. There were other tragic events that were far worse in comparison, but the scary part is the parallels between them.

• A widespread disinformation campaign centered around dehumanizing the LGBTQ+ community
• Laws being enacted that target LGBTQ+ individuals and restrict them from having the same rights as any other human being
• LGBTQ+ people being treated as sub-human trash and shunned from society
• People & politicians giving way to blind murder, with some of them openly advocating it

The whole point is this needs to stop before it escalates to that point. Too many people have lost their lives as is.

 

[Crystal]

What's it they say about trans people...? We try to lure children in by making our "agenda" look normal through kids' eyes?

Well...how do you explain this bullshit?



(I recognize this is a bit, this is a YT show, but the point stands, right-leaning person makes a stupid show with puppets that can easily be misconstrued as kid-friendly)

 

[MC74]

They've been using that same tactic for ages now. Remember how back in the day when commercials were run to paint homosexuals as predators? Exact same bullshit.

 

[MC74]

The NHS has made the decision to disallow trans kids from taking puberty blockers. The decision was made in what they claim is "in the best interest of children".

Like trans people aren't capable of figuring this out at younger ages.

Trans youth will no longer be prescribed puberty blockers, NHS England says

Trans youth will no longer be prescribed puberty blockers at NHS England gender identity clinics in a “blow” to gender-affirming healthcare.

www.thepinknews.com

EDIT: And to further add insult to injury, yet another incident took place a couple of days ago thanks to 4 teens stabbing an 18-year old trans woman.

Four teens charged after 18-year-old trans woman stabbed in London

Four teen have been charges over an alleged transphobic attack after a trans woman was stabbed at a roller skating party in north London.

www.thepinknews.com

 

[Raine]

TERF Island has been beyond redemption for a good while now, and will remain that way for the foreseeable future.

Pretty sure a decent chunk of the idiots are still planning and working towards abolishing the NHS anyway, and the damn thing already doesn't work:



So I guess the silver lining, if we want to call it that, is that functionally the ruling probably doesn't matter anyway? And as long as these treatments and medications aren't expressly illegal, and institutions exist beyond NHS England...

I mean, yes, it's a matter of time. But time is plenty important right now!

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[MC74]

TERF Island has been beyond redemption for a good while now, and will remain that way for the foreseeable future.

Pretty sure a decent chunk of the idiots are still planning and working towards abolishing the NHS anyway, and the damn thing already doesn't work:



So I guess the silver lining, if we want to call it that, is that functionally the ruling probably doesn't matter anyway? And as long as these treatments and medications aren't expressly illegal, and institutions exist beyond NHS England...

I mean, yes, it's a matter of time. But time is plenty important right now!


We're seeing genocide and ethnic cleansing in a variety of areas right now, so... yeah...

We'll not even get into places like South Korea or Iran (or the Middle East at large I guess) and how they view and treat women. And women are half the population!

Like this shit in particular completely and utterly removed my ability to calm the fuck down for a solid week:

Killing of Nika Shakarami - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

...And we'll leave it there for now lest I get myself worked into a tizzy again.

I sometimes have to restrain myself from browsing those sites. The climate is so bad you rarely ever see any good news regarding trans people. It's always either another hateful law being proposed or someone being on the receiving end of a targeted attack.

Well this was a depressing read - and if you're ever wondering how it is in Canada, it's more or less the same.

A town about thirty minutes from me is met with anti-LGBTQ+ protests every weekend and there's groups of counter protestors out there.

Every weekend.

This article is older but it's basically an extension of this and still ongoing:

Cross-country rallies against 'gender ideology' in schools meet with counter-protests

Thousands of people gathered in cities across Canada on Wednesday for competing protests, screaming and chanting at each other about school policies on gender identity.

www.ctvnews.ca

I can attest to it being the same up here here as well. We've got people protesting, watch dog groups forming with the intent of grouping together to target trans people, and it seems like the Conservatives are following suit with the GOP. I remember Doug Ford speaking on the topic and he uttered the same bullshit about parent's rights.

 

[MC74]

I'll also add that some of the conservative provinces like New Brunswick & Saskatchewan have adopted the policy where it's mandatory teachers have to out trans kids to their parents if they come out. They're also looking to implement laws that would ban the education of LGBTQ+ related material from schools. Said that it's the kind of thing that should never be promoted in any shape, form, or fashion.

 

[Raine]

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[Crystal]

Completely understandable, and basically where those of us in the trans community have been for a good while. I mean, what even is positive news for trans folk - getting bills passed? Being treated like an actual person for a change? It's... super exhausting. The only thing there really can be is a slew of negative news and a small slathering of stories to keep hope alive.

Positive news is where the victim survives. Basically.

 

[MC74]

Wait, are you Canadian too?

I'm in Ontario so I'm continually subjected to Doug Ford's garbage, the Conservative nonsense, and the... what I'll only refer to as extreme discrimination for now.

A far cry from what a lot of people think they know about Canada.

Yes, I'm Canadian also. A lot of people think it's better for LGBTQ+ people here and to an extent, it really depends, but unfortunately we're seeing the shit down south trickling up here too. Granted, I wouldn't exactly go out of my way to say LGBTQ+ people are accepted with open arms here either. They sure as fuck weren't back in the day, I can tell you that right now.

 

[Crystal]

You'd think these people had their whole families brutally murdered by the community.

It's the belief that every time a new sector of the LGBTQ+ community is highlighted as the new evil, they're automatically assumed to be preying on children. Gets the idiots riled up every single time and it always leads to violence and vitriol. There's never a single shred of truth behind it, but I'll be damned if it doesn't work to get the blood boiling on the ignorant side.

 

[TD]

It's the belief that every time a new sector of the LGBTQ+ community is highlighted as the new evil, they're automatically assumed to be preying on children. Gets the idiots riled up every single time and it always leads to violence and vitriol. There's never a single shred of truth behind it, but I'll be damned if it doesn't work to get the blood boiling on the ignorant side.

I've noticed thematically it always seems to be the case and many times those suffering from low intelligence who are very gullible gobble this rhetoric up. I chalk it up to fearmongering and a poorly hidden attempt at a powerplay when at minimum it demonstrates similarities to other mass hate events, but a select group of history always seem to allow history to repeat itself.

 

[MC74]

Remarkable, isn't it? Can't get people to rally and march for a literal laundry list worth of actually important causes, but they'll show up in droves over mask mandates and... where, precisely, it is okay for a person to take a piss.

Now I'm being reminded of that Goddamn Freedom Convoy. People banding together to protest against the COVID-19 protocols....you know, the ones that are designed to keep the general public safe and prevent the spread of infection.... -________________________-

And people wonder why I have such a cynical outlook on people in general. The way people conducted themselves during the pandemic is a prime example of how utterly moronic & incompetent some people can be in the face of an actual crisis.

Completely understandable, and basically where those of us in the trans community have been for a good while. I mean, what even is positive news for trans folk - getting bills passed? Being treated like an actual person for a change? It's... super exhausting. The only thing there really can be is a slew of negative news and a small slathering of stories to keep hope alive.

Good news rarely comes by for trans people, but when you do happen to come across it, you can't help but to smile, or even shed a tear of happiness. Warms my heart whenever a trans person receives overwhelming support from their inner circle or becomes an inspiration to others.

That's what Texas is doing in the US too, with Child Protective Services. Florida has the Don't Say Gay bullshit.

Obviously burying a kid's head in the sand doesn't make us go away, it just makes it so that when they find out about us - and themselves - they're not properly equipped to handle it. Which stunts their own development and limits their options when, invariably, the ones capable of escaping the Red State Death Spiral moves to California or New England or whatever and gets immense culture shock.

Their version of dealing with it consists of doing everything in their power to ensure trans kids don't have a say in the matter. It's fucked up, anyone who comes out is basically publicly outed & given a one-way ticket to what they call "re-integrative therapy", which is basically a legal loophole around conversion therapy.

It most certainly is a culling of trans people.

 

[MC74]

It's the belief that every time a new sector of the LGBTQ+ community is highlighted as the new evil, they're automatically assumed to be preying on children. Gets the idiots riled up every single time and it always leads to violence and vitriol. There's never a single shred of truth behind it, but I'll be damned if it doesn't work to get the blood boiling on the ignorant side.

Gives the conservatives some brownie points with their fanbase too, much of whom blindly fall in line with their policy like fucking sheep.

 

[Crystal]

I've noticed thematically it always seems to be the case and many times those suffering from low intelligence who are very gullible gobble this rhetoric up. I chalk it up to fearmongering and a poorly hidden attempt at a powerplay when at minimum it demonstrates similarities to other mass hate events, but a select group of history always seem to allow history to repeat itself.

Yep, it's the same points over and over gain. X group is evil, because we don't understand them. Also they're after our kids!!

Gives the conservatives some brownie points with their fanbase too, much of whom blindly fall in line with their policy like fucking sheep.

Very true.

 

[MC74]

I have more to say, but I'll have to continue the ranting later on. Want to finish watching Dallas Stars hockey with Crystal first.

 

[Raine]

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[Crystal]

Fucking awesome, but the trans part should be incidental at best. Not, as the BBC would definitely phrase it, "Transgender Athlete Saves Child."

Trans won't be incidental for generations. Just like society still highlights the fact that we have a man who saved someone from something, awesome! But if he's not white, then he's not a man, he's a ___ man. We'll never learn.

 

[MC74]

The pro-COVID rallies, yes.

Because what else would they be called, realistically? Especially the ones protesting against mask mandates that had already expired you absolute fucking buffoons.

It gets more dumber than that. When the mandates were lifted, they proclaimed it as a major victory and started drawing up more demands. One of them being to make the mandates in the future illegal. I wish I was shitting. -_________-

 

[MC74]

Nex Benedict's death being ruled a suicide.

Nex Benedict died by suicide, autopsy report says

Nex Benedict, a 16-year-old Two Spirit teenager from Oklahoma, died by suicide according to a partial autopsy report.

www.thepinknews.com

 

[MC74]

Tennessee introducing a bill which introduces protections for anti-LGBTQ+ foster parents.

Tennessee Republicans introduce religious exemption bill protecting anti-LGBTQ+ foster parents - LGBTQ Nation

Opponents say the proposed law will lead to further traumatization of LGBTQ+ foster children.

www.lgbtqnation.com

 

[Crystal]

Tennessee introducing a bill which introduces protections for anti-LGBTQ+ foster parents.

Tennessee Republicans introduce religious exemption bill protecting anti-LGBTQ+ foster parents - LGBTQ Nation

Opponents say the proposed law will lead to further traumatization of LGBTQ+ foster children.

www.lgbtqnation.com

Ugh. I can't love this kid, it's queer as fuck.

Not your problem, kid, we're all queer as fuck, the odd ones are the assholes who reject kids for being themselves.

 

[MC74]

Ugh. I can't love this kid, it's queer as fuck.

Not your problem, kid, we're all queer as fuck, the odd ones are the assholes who reject kids for being themselves.

They're trying to make it so that it's more likely LGBTQ+ kids end up in homes that aren't welcoming of their identities. Make sure they're raised in a way that forces them to denounce being LGBTQ+.

 

[Crystal]

They're trying to make it so that it's more likely LGBTQ+ kids end up in homes that aren't welcoming of their identities. Make sure they're raised in a way that forces them to denounce being LGBTQ+.

Let's all start a giant kids home and call it Cheshire Place. All are welcome

 

[MC74]

Let's all start a giant kids home and call it Cheshire Place. All are welcome

Give them all streaming access to Bolton Wanderers games.

 

[Raine]

Nex Benedict's death being ruled a suicide.

Nex Benedict died by suicide, autopsy report says

Nex Benedict, a 16-year-old Two Spirit teenager from Oklahoma, died by suicide according to a partial autopsy report.

www.thepinknews.com

To elaborate a little, this is actually an incredibly fucked up story. The TL;DR is something to the effect of:

- Nex was bullied by a group of girls for over a year
- Nex either poured a water bottle onto or threw a water bottle at one of their bullies last month
- The bullies cornered them in the bathroom and brutally beat Nex, including repeatedly slamming their head into the wall
- The school did not call an ambulance for Nex, and it was students - not faculty - that broke up the fight
- Nex was confronted by police in the hospital (ostensibly the video linked in the article), wherein the officer both-sides the beating
- Nex was released from the hospital, and died the next day
- Police, day of, were running with the overdose claim and said there was "no trauma" involved before backpedaling that shit
- Internet says the "drugs" being claimed responsible are Prozac and Benadryl, but veracity TBD


Even if Nex succumbed to suicide, let's be clear: Nex was murdered. It doesn't matter what that title is within the scope of the law - manslaughter, whatever - 3 cis girls murdered an Indigenous non-binary person, after bullying them for over a year, because of some water.

Every single faculty member, police officer and student responsible for this bullshit needs to be held accountable.

Not a single one will be.

And this is the plight of the trans community. It doesn't fucking matter about hypothetical boogey-people steamrolling a kid in sports. It doesn't matter about trans people being in the "wrong" bathroom to piss and shit.

The only thing that matters is that the perpetuation of all this bullshit is factually getting people within our community murdered by people outside of it. And literally nothing is being done to stop it, including the bare minimum banning of the social media accounts for the right-wing hate group responsible for this and so, so much more.

Also.