Ok, Ok, Let's Talk Trans

[Crystal]

Not to take away from the reverence and fun of most of the other topics, but my brain is going down a bit of a rabbit hole and I just need to write this down somewhere, anywhere.

...can we please, please get rid of the LGBTQ+ panic defense? Why is it still legal in 33 states? "I didn't know it was trans, when I find out I was so shocked I lost my mind and killed it!" Oh, ok, on you go. That it exists as a legal defense in any regard is disgusting.

Ok, I've got that one out there, sorry, back to the regularly scheduled fun.

 

[Raine]

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[VashTheStampede]

Not to take away from the reverence and fun of most of the other topics, but my brain is going down a bit of a rabbit hole and I just need to write this down somewhere, anywhere.

...can we please, please get rid of the LGBTQ+ panic defense? Why is it still legal in 33 states? "I didn't know it was trans, when I find out I was so shocked I lost my mind and killed it!" Oh, ok, on you go. That it exists as a legal defense in any regard is disgusting.

Ok, I've got that one out there, sorry, back to the regularly scheduled fun.

I...honestly didn't even realize that was still on the books in so many places.

I really shouldn't be surprised.

 

[Mark]

I...honestly didn't even realize that was still on the books in so many places.

I really shouldn't be surprised.

It is, and I’ve seen instances of it invoked in Baltimore and in DC connected to sex work, where dudes made a discovery and flipped out. If ANYTHING, I think it should be charged as a predatory offense, not something you need to kill someone over. You find out that the sex worker you hired is trans, then you file charges stating you were deceived or manipulated or whatever language fits best. They don’t cite sex workers here, so there are grounds in which the sex workers could be held accountable if that’s what it was really about. But… you and I know that’s not what it’s about.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Even claiming "surprise" as motive feels like that should immediately be grounds for a hate crime charge.

Ugh

 

[Raine]

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[Mark]

Some details notwithstanding: Ultimately the same result, just more steps and humiliation/trauma along the way. They'll be paraded around as proof we're all sexual deviants and rapists, and then placed into male prisons where they'll be raped and killed. Or female prisons where they'll be beaten and killed.


Rule #1: Avoid Chasers. Kill me first, claim I was a casual hook-up/prostitute after the fact, get away scot-free.

See that’s what I can’t fathom when these stories pop up. Sex workers are street smart fuckers, why would one put themselves in that position? That’s the part that never added up. Not to mention… there are “areas” that are known to be frequented by trans sex workers, you avoid those areas if that’s not what you’re looking for. I’ve never paid for ass once and even I know that much.

 

[Raine]

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[Mark]

Gotta do what you gotta do, sadly. Being the target of work and housing discrimination, plus having a drastically higher probability of being thrown out of your parent's house and/or being isolated, leaves... precious few options beyond just finding a ditch.

Absolutely, that side speaks for itself, because it’s the same way that other women end up entering prostitution.

From the alleged John's side? I'd rather not try and figure out their motivations beyond just wanting to hurt someone. Not really any different from the serial killers that used to prey on prostitutes and proclaim they were "cleaning up" the streets/doing society a favor.

That’s what I was alluding to… there has to be some ulterior motive or fetishization that they don’t want to get out so the clean up the evidence. It just simply can’t be ignorance, I lived near several high-trafficked areas and you’d see the same cars picking up the same people all the time. They know the menu. They know where to look.

 

[Raine]

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[Mark]

For sure, for sure. These are never scenarios I would apply the "Don't attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" adage to.

I just have little faith in people anymore… I’ve seen too much bad shit happen to decent folks.

The absolute best scenario is that they didn't originally mean to kill them, they were just curious and had a bad case of buyer's remorse. But like... that's still murder, they still chose to murder. They shouldn't get to try and weasel out of that. Especially not in the modern era.

Okay, if I am curious about a particular type of ice cream… I try it, and if I don’t like it, I don’t buy it again. Buyer’s remorse is “shit, I wasted money on this pint” not “shit, I might as well kill this tranny”, you know?

 

[Crystal]

But yeah castle doctrine, stand your ground, open carry - they all need to be done away with. And claiming insanity as a defense should carry a mandatory minimum sentence in a psychiatric hospital and lifetime medication and therapy, until such time that shitty people stop trying to cop that.

This! So much this!!

I...honestly didn't even realize that was still on the books in so many places.

I really shouldn't be surprised.

Oh it's still very much a thing. There are states that had legislation introduced to abolish it and it failed to pass, meaning they uphold the right for people to murder a living person because of a supposed loss of mental cohesion at the discovery of that human being's sexual orientation or gender identity. Thanks Arkansas, Iowa, Montana, Georgia, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nebraska, North Carolina and...least surprisingly, Texas.

Some details notwithstanding: Ultimately the same result, just more steps and humiliation/trauma along the way. They'll be paraded around as proof we're all sexual deviants and rapists, and then placed into male prisons where they'll be raped and killed. Or female prisons where they'll be beaten and killed.

Oh we're ALL deviants

Rule #1: Avoid Chasers. Kill me first, claim I was a casual hook-up/prostitute after the fact, get away scot-free.

The "perfect" crime.

 

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[Crystal]

I think (hope lmao) everyone here is missing the "doesn't value human life" gene, so... y'know. Not sure this is something we can actually figure out! It's basically like those two ghouls in the UK that murdered Brianna Ghey because they wanted to know how she would scream or some malarkey. There's just something inherently wrong and evil about some people.

"Will it scream like a girl or a man." Those two are absolute monsters.

 

[Mark]

"Will it scream like a girl or a man." Those two are absolute monsters.

OH! That’s the one. I knew the name sounded familiar.

Yeah, sick fucks like that are why we shouldn’t do away with the death penalty entirely. But, that’s just my opinion.

 

[Crystal]

OH! That’s the one. I knew the name sounded familiar.

Yeah, sick fucks like that are why we shouldn’t do away with the death penalty entirely. But, that’s just my opinion.

Makes me wish it was in the States, and in one that had capital punishment, but so be it.

 

[Crystal]

...so it begins.

 

[The Hulk]

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...so it begins.

Absolutely disgusting behavior. Being trans is still being a human. There's a saying: Treat people as you would want to be treated.

 

[Crystal]

Absolutely disgusting behavior. Being trans is still being a human. There's a saying: Treat people as you would want to be treated.

It's sadly common to assault or abuse trans people, trans women especially.

 

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[Crystal]

Her sister sounds great, but... that's about as far as the praise can go on that one. Sad and unsurprising to hear about Kitty's issues with homelessness and being assaulted, but good on her for taking care of her mother regardless.

Yeah, she dealt with some incredible struggles. What a person!

Hopefully the fuckers that murdered her get what's coming to 'em.

Agreed!

 

[Crystal]

Well this is interesting...

United Nations urged to investigate Texas’ anti-LGBTQ+ legislation as ‘human rights crisis’ (exclusive)

Equality Texas, ACLU, GLAAD, and Human Rights Campaign seek global intervention in response to Texas’ systematic attack on transgender rights.

www.advocate.com

 

[Raine]

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[Crystal]

I think it's pretty telling that the course of action here is to try and sidestep the Federal level and instead apply pressure to the Federal using outside parties. State's Rights has positive and negative aspects, of course, but what gets challenged and what doesn't paints a mostly horrible picture for this little union we've got going. I'd say "and by who" but really - lol, lmao even.

Sad but true, very true.

At any rate, I applaud the attempt but it won't amount to anything until Abbot and his cronies are removed from office.

An unfortunate reality check, but hopefully it also shines a light on the WHY of this being necessary, and maybe that alone starts the process of stopping this crap from happening? It won't, but, come on, a gal can dream

In the meantime we can take some very small comfort in DeSantis Pudding Fingers continuing to be a laughing stock and dropping out of the presidential race.

One down...

 

[Raine]

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[Crystal]

Unhinged dad banned from high school basketball games after accusing player of being trans

"I wasn’t born yesterday, I know that’s a boy!" the dad shouted at the principal...

www.lgbtqnation.com

Can't even let kids be kids. This world sucks.

 

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[Crystal]

The plus side to the year starting off hectic as hell is that I haven't heard as much from the usual types. Now whether that's just not seeing it, or it dying down a little on the national/global level because the circus is winding down? No idea. Still got all these whackadoos to contend with though.

Oh they'll pick up again, no doubt. But it is nice to have a bit of a break from the regular whackadoos and just...these ones.

At least part of the problem right there.

Name them. Shame them. Fire their fuckin' asses. Accountability will go a whole hell of a long way for the average person.

Agreed! Let the son of a bitch deal with the fallout of his shitty actions.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Puddin Fingers back on his bullshit

 

[Crystal]

Puddin Fingers back on his bullshit

At least he's open in his hatred, the bullshit from states like Iowa now introducing legislation that would force trans people to list both their gender and their assigned at birth gender on their licenses. That's veiled hatred, trying to appease both and pissing off everyone. If you're going to be anti-trans, be openly anti-trans, don't try and hide it. We're used to hatred, attacks, etc. Hiding behind an attempt to pander in both directions is cowardly bullshit.

 

[Mark]

Puddin Fingers back on his bullshit

He might as well make a scene there since he decided that he’s not getting that Oval Office nod. Fucking shitbag.

 

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[Crystal]

The thing with idiots like DeSantis and Abbott is that they're full-on dipshits. Like they can't even just be satisfied with the hatred and bigotry, they need to go that extra step to try and incite fear. And it's the last part that, mercifully, keeps blowing up in their faces.

Like I would bet it's pretty safe to assume they can't unilaterally declare that *vomit* "misrepresenting their gender" *vomit* is fraud. That's blatant overreach. That's a lawsuit waiting to happen. That's, that's... opening pandora's box to the inverse wherein, if that was fraud, then falsely asserting that a more masculine/"butch"/androgynous woman is a man would surely be grounds for slander. Insofar that you can't just willy-nilly baselessly accuse someone of a crime in an official capacity because that besmirches their reputation.

...Of course that also assumes that Florida's government was a coherent, properly functioning entity. So there's that too.

No, see, it's only an offense when we try to assert our gender. If they tell us we're men or tell butch women they're men, that's ok, because they're not one of them there freaks. If, however, a trans man caved and called themselves a woman, THAT would be wrong. Double standards need triple standards, ya' know. At the end of the day it all boils down the same thing, old white men making laws based on what they want to put their dick in. Hot women are women, the rest of us are men.

Yup. At that point just be honest and either force us all to have the transgender icon, or give us a scarlet A or something. It's abundantly clear what they think of us, so, there should be no harm in fully marking us. Besides the immediate Nazi comparison but they'd probably lowkey approve of that anyway.

People get mad at that comparison, but the parallels are fucking scary! When do we get our tattooed numbers?

 

[Raine]

...I'm kind of in a mood today. Dumbass shit like this isn't helping. I NEED TO RAGE. kthx.

Strictly speaking this is more a women's reproductive rights thing but...

Article:

Frozen embryos are ‘children,’ Alabama Supreme Court rules in couples’ wrongful death suits

Three couples whose frozen embryos were destroyed when a wandering Mobile hospital patient dropped the specimens can sue for wrongful death because the embryos were “children,” the Alabama Supreme Court ruled Friday in reversing a judge’s decision to throw out the case.

The Center for Reproductive Medicine, a fertility clinic used by the couples, and Mobile Infirmary Medical Center, where the embryos were being stored, claimed the couples could not sue for wrongful death because Alabama’s Wrongful Death of a Minor Act does not cover embryos outside the womb.

Source: https://www.al.com/news/mobile/2024/02/frozen-embryos-are-children-alabama-supreme-court-rules-in-reviving-couples-wrongful-death-suits.html

I'm not in enough of a mood to want to subject y'all decent people to the completely unhinged filings beyond that. But rest assured they are in that article/link, and they are the dumbest shit imaginable.

Anyway.

Corporations are people, actually.
Frozen embryos are children!
Actual children should just fasten their bootstraps, no handouts!!
Trans women are definitely not women and probably not people.

 

[Crystal]

So is a woman committing murder if she miscarries? Is it attempted murder during every period? Or after a penile ejaculation? Methinks logic go bye bye in some places. Brains turn into potatoes.

Trans women are definitely not women and probably not people.

Definitely not people. People are afforded some level of dignity.

 

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[Mark]

...I'm kind of in a mood today. Dumbass shit like this isn't helping. I NEED TO RAGE. kthx.

Strictly speaking this is more a women's reproductive rights thing but...

Article:

Frozen embryos are ‘children,’ Alabama Supreme Court rules in couples’ wrongful death suits

Three couples whose frozen embryos were destroyed when a wandering Mobile hospital patient dropped the specimens can sue for wrongful death because the embryos were “children,” the Alabama Supreme Court ruled Friday in reversing a judge’s decision to throw out the case.

The Center for Reproductive Medicine, a fertility clinic used by the couples, and Mobile Infirmary Medical Center, where the embryos were being stored, claimed the couples could not sue for wrongful death because Alabama’s Wrongful Death of a Minor Act does not cover embryos outside the womb.

Source: https://www.al.com/news/mobile/2024/02/frozen-embryos-are-children-alabama-supreme-court-rules-in-reviving-couples-wrongful-death-suits.html

Why does this read more like “to avoid liability for the hospital and the health department for allowing a wandering patient unopposed access to confidential medical data and specimens, we’ve decided to allow dumbass patients to be criminally charged for our negligence on bloated charges to sway a jury with terminology that can illicit an emotional response” than anything?

Oh? Because it DOES?

 

[Crystal]

And yeah, woo, don't get them started about women girls not being pregnant constantly to fulfill their singular duty of pumping out more bodies.

We're overpopulated, now get on your back and get to popping more out!!

Sammy's a hoe, watching him grow.
Over and over again.
Knew it was time,
she showed him a good time.
This should be without pants.

Her pimp said to her,
now listen bitch,
you're always dreaming.
You've got no real purpose,
you won't get very far.
Sammy, bitch, don't you know who you are?
You should be sleeping...
With that dude in his car.

Spread your legs and screw away.
Screw away. All the way.
Spread your little legs and screw away.
Screw away. All the way.

Pull your legs together, until you've found yourself another.
That's because you're a female.

The pretzel-ing and mental gymnastics would be fascinating if... you know, it was about something stupid. Like why penne is superior to rigatoni or something. But yeah.

High five for being the centre of attention? ...yeah, no...

 

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[Crystal]

It sure would help if conservatives actually believed in anything, y'know? Instead of just throwing temper tantrums and projectile vomiting half-remembered and definitely wrong interpretations of scripture on the singular basis of just causing harm and misery to other people.

"I read one book and now I know everything!" Those conservatives? Yeah, I know those conservatives...

I have conservative friends that actually open their minds and think for themselves, they're good people. Some are even devout Christians, and we get along fine, because they're not closed off to one ideal. They realize people are more than just a label. Sadly, we live in a time when so few people look beyond those very labels.

Gonna be an interesting year for everyone, at least?

Yeah...can't wait to find out what's coming up in the next exciting episode of ignorant old white dudes determine what's best for a group of people they know nothing about!

 

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[Crystal]

More the ones that don't read anything, get the cliffnotes version from somebody else, and parrot that endlessly before it loops into a game of telephone and suddenly the entire floor is covered in shit. Like those stories we keep posting about Transphobic Gramps Does Thing, cause who even knows what those idiots have actually heard at this point.

I'd say that's extremely accurate. My buddy told me the water is making frogs gay, so it must be true!

They're not conservatives then, they just don't like taxes.

Does anyone legitimately like taxes?

I mean, fuck, it's me. Y'all know what I'm about. It's... telling, how far the average person has to reach to hold onto a title that still doesn't match with what the people with any amount of power or influence within that title's group does or believes in.

So true. I'm an X and I believe in A, B, C, but President Flabberson over there is doing D, E, F!

Like, again, it's me - I ain't really about that Both Sides thing. Both sides are hostile to everything I know and love, but they aren't the same. One is far, far worse than the other. I "hold my nose" and do Liberal/Democrat things, but I am neither a Liberal nor a Democrat. It's objectively harder for me to draw that line than, y'know, your garden variety conservative. So I don't really understand the hesitation.

I don't know where I fall on that one, I suppose I'm forced into leaning left for...well, obvious reasons, but I don't line up with a lot of what the left pushes, either. So...I'm just me. Party of 1.

My fiancee's family all "think" they're Republicans, and they vote Republican... but like... uhh... if they were actually Republicans they would not speak to, much less like me??

Right?! What if their FRIENDS found out about you? How dare they associate with one of THOSE!!! Membership card destroyed!

(invite me round for the big book burning moment, I'd love to see them react to TWO of THOSE!)

Baffling.

Anyway this has become a Raine Is In A Mood And Will Go On Nonsensical Tangents Because Reasons post.

I'm sure it'll be a hoot.

Always is!

I have no shame in saying that I can't wait for them to start dying off. A lot of these fuckers are past retirement age, many more are quickly approaching it. Yeah we've got this younger crowd of dipshits, but I'm confident things are trending in the proper direction over successive generations. Just... gotta hold on. No Stop, Only Go and all that jazz.

Are we there yet?

 

[Kat]

If frozen embryos are people, then can you be charged for freezing them and then not attempting to birth them all?

Why does this read more like “to avoid liability for the hospital and the health department for allowing a wandering patient unopposed access to confidential medical data and specimens, we’ve decided to allow dumbass patients to be criminally charged for our negligence on bloated charges to sway a jury with terminology that can illicit an emotional response” than anything?

Oh? Because it DOES?

Wow, l missed it was a hospital patient and not an employee who somehow got and dropped the embryos. Yikes.

My fiancee's family all "think" they're Republicans, and they vote Republican... but like... uhh... if they were actually Republicans they would not speak to, much less like me??

Baffling.

I don't think it's baffling. Obviously the Republican party as a whole is incredibly shitty and dangerous for queer and especially trans people. But there are only two choices of parties, and neither is likely to align with any given person on all the issues important to them. People can like you and support you having rights yet still generally identify as Republicans because overall they feel best represented on that side.

 

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[Kat]

@Raine I agree in general. I wanted to include an example of an important issue where Republicans did well and Democrats failed, but I couldn't easily think of one. I'm sure there is something but

A lot of it's just propaganda. If you believe dems will destroy the economy and you're already struggling financially, that would be a powerful motivation to vote against them. (I'm not saying this is a rational belief, but undoubtedly many people do believe it.)

Taxes are necessary for society to function. I don't mind paying them, though I do believe rich people and big corporations should pay more than they currently do.

 

[Mark]

If frozen embryos are people, then can you be charged for freezing them and then not attempting to birth them all?

Oooh. You’ve got an interesting counterpoint here. Throw a baby in an oven and it’s a problem, but throw one in a freezer and it’s cool?

Wow, l missed it was a hospital patient and not an employee who somehow got and dropped the embryos. Yikes.

Yep. That was the kicker for me. Your policy is so lax that some random patient just meandered into where you have EMBRYOS stored? I’ve mistakenly opened an unmarked door to a linen closet in search for a private waiting room before… but I’m SURE the policy must be different for that kind of material.

I don't think it's baffling. Obviously the Republican party as a whole is incredibly shitty and dangerous for queer and especially trans people. But there are only two choices of parties, and neither is likely to align with any given person on all the issues important to them. People can like you and support you having rights yet still generally identify as Republicans because overall they feel best represented on that side.

It isn’t so bright on the other side… to paraphrase what a gay Trump supporter I used to work with said back in 2016:

“We know (they) don’t like us. It’s in black and white, and I can respect that. They (Dems) put on a nice smile and pat your back, but you’re not worth a shit to them unless you’re strung out or the poster child for the next election.”

He’s about 55 now, grew up split between DC and Baltimore, so all he knows is blue state madness, and he’s been a pretty reliable perspective into that community for me for quite some time now. It was jarring how he phrased it, because on one hand… it shows how damned “they” are, on the other, it shows how damned we all are.

I, for one, adore losing more than a third of my earnings to nebulous things that I can't see the particulars of! Alternatively, paying into reconstruction work that makes my work commutes longer and drag on for years for seemingly no reason!!

Like, obviously a rant for another topic but - yeah, no, nobody likes that. Big part of why I scratch my head with that being a tent pole for the party, especially considering they don't do anything about it besides give corporations and the ultra-rich more tax... breaks?? Wait, what.

I dunno about that… spending a few months in a VERY red county after spending my whole life in the bluest of blue cities and I can definitely see where that roadwork money goes in the red counties.

 

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[Kat]

I dunno about that… spending a few months in a VERY red county after spending my whole life in the bluest of blue cities and I can definitely see where that roadwork money goes in the red counties.

Are you saying the roads are better in red counties? Rural areas aren't known for having excellent roads in my area. Some cities do better than others.

 

[Mark]

Are you saying the roads are better in red counties? Rural areas aren't known for having excellent roads in my area. Some cities do better than others.

They are out here for sure. We saw pretreat laid down hours before snow fell in a SFH residential zone, dude. When I lived in Baltimore, we had to wait somewhere between a day to a week and a half to see even secondary streets accessible. They made sure the main bus routes were accessible, the hospitals were accessible, and that’s about it. Want to go to work on a block of rowhomes with a couple hundred residents? Grab a fucking shovel, ain’t no one coming to help.

 

[Crystal]

I, for one, adore losing more than a third of my earnings to nebulous things that I can't see the particulars of! Alternatively, paying into reconstruction work that makes my work commutes longer and drag on for years for seemingly no reason!!

Like, obviously a rant for another topic but - yeah, no, nobody likes that. Big part of why I scratch my head with that being a tent pole for the party, especially considering they don't do anything about it besides give corporations and the ultra-rich more tax... breaks?? Wait, what.

It's an easy point-scoring mechanic, touch on taxes and how they're going to lower them and yay, you're the best candidate!

It's not a particularly helpful thing to actually "know," all things considered. You vote for Team Blue or Team Red, otherwise you don't vote or you vote for Team Green which might as well be the same thing.

Team Blue gets beaten to death by the specter of people like me... uh. Wait. Sorry, I have to clarify that apparently. Team Blue gets beaten to death by the specter of Socialism and Communism (but also for supporting diverse gender and sexual identities, with an asterisk lol), and definitely don't approve of either... so there's no actual candidate I ever feel super keen to vote for. So I vote for the least awful/closer counterpart, which is invariably a Democrat, and then go onto the internet and fume about the complete lack of progress and eventual heat death of the universe.

Plus how many special interest groups are those candidates indebted to in order to reach that level in the first place. Gotta' spend all of their time worried about tending to those wants rather than actually living up to their campaign promises. Never a good candidate because there's never anyone actually looking out for...ya' know...the common person.

Basically, yeah. And I mean I'm sure they have friends they definitely can't have in the same room as me - my sister-in-law's mother is/was heavy into Q-adjacent bullshit - but... I'unno. I guess for all I know they maintain appearances while I'm around but otherwise talk shit, I really don't understand the disconnect at work. And it's not like I haven't spoken politics and shit with them over the last near-decade.

Maybe you're slowly pulling them to the left, lol