Ok, Ok, Let's Talk Trans

[Raine]

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[Raine]

Shit, Crystal did the thing.

Also just because, fuck JK Rowling.

FUUUUUCK YOU JOANNE YOU INSUFFERABLE BONEHEADED CRACKPOT I HOPE YOU STUB YOUR FUCKING TOE EVERY FUCKING NIGHT WHEN YOU GO TO THE BATHROOM THAT YOUR HUSBAND DEFINITELY ISN'T ALLOWED TO SHARE WITH YOU BECAUSE BRAINWORMS HAVE ROBBED YOU OF ALL JOY IN LIFE

 

[Crystal]

It's cool though, and I'm glad you're happy. You can be the happy one, Crystal can be the cute sad one, and I'll be the angry very sleepy one. It works!

Aww, if only I were actually cute.

Shit, Crystal did the thing.


FUUUUUCK YOU JOANNE YOU INSUFFERABLE BONEHEADED CRACKPOT I HOPE YOU STUB YOUR FUCKING TOE EVERY FUCKING NIGHT WHEN YOU GO TO THE BATHROOM THAT YOUR HUSBAND DEFINITELY ISN'T ALLOWED TO SHARE WITH YOU BECAUSE BRAINWORMS HAVE ROBBED YOU OF ALL JOY IN LIFE

Oh but don't forget her hubby has a penis and therefore must also be monster.

 

[Crystal]

(Full disclosure, this one's going to be weird and probably TMI for a lot of people)

So, question for my fellow trans folks -- how do you find your "needs" as time has gone on? I ask because I was talking to a friend casually and he was talking about spending some quality time with his wife on his time off and it occurred to me, well first of all I'm lonely as fuck, lol, but more importantly it's been a good six months since I've even thought about anything in that regard. As in nothing, at all. Doesn't register. Attraction is still there, still present, but the urge for anything more? Nope. I'm sure if I put the effort into finding out I still could...eww...but thankfully the need factor has disappeared completely. So...I'm weird anyway, but how do you find things the longer you've spent on hormones? Still as...needy...or are you like me and no longer needy for anything?

Damn I suck at wording these things, lol.

 

[Raine]

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[Crystal]

Spoiler

Sounds like a similar experience, though I was never high libido before, thankfully. Just strikes me that it just plain isn't a thought these days, at all. It's really nice, because I used to loathe those moments where the need took over. Glad it seems to have had a similar effect for you, too!

 

[Raine]

So, something a little different here. Apparently PragerU - not an actual University, just a shitty group of right-wing con-artists masquerading as scholars to spread propaganda and hate - is now serving ads on YouTube (and apparently Twitter), again/still, this time in the form of an anti-trans miniature "documentary" basically trying to ride on the coattails of "What Is A Woman?" (Which is something you should not watch or take seriously, either.)

Enter the algorithm giving me this video, which I do appreciate but... also, fuck off Google. This is why I'll both never whitelist YouTube and never give a goddamn cent to YouTube for Premium. Anyway. Video's from a non-binary person by the name of Jordan, entirely preaching to the choir with me (and no doubt Crystal and Marina) obviously but I thought - if y'all are going to be subjected to this shit and the one from The Epoch Times anyway - it wouldn't hurt to share it here.

And like, as a note for my fellow trans women before even entertaining the idea of watching, I am an extraordinarily silent person. ...Offline, I mean. You can't shut me up on the internet. I literally shrieked multiple times while watching what's been done to the main two people that have been interviewed by PU. It is heinous beyond all measure. I mean, hell, I'll say even parents in general deserve a trigger warning here. They've been abused mentally and physically, gaslit and brainwashed, and will never know peace - internally or externally.

 

[Crystal]

One simple reply -- GRRRRR.

 

[Webster]

One simple reply -- GRRRRR.

Prager's a fat-ass dipshit who maybe has one or two cogent ideas/thoughts (his "The Happy Hour" segment on his daily show is an example) but most times spews vile stuff that not even Vince Russo or Vince McMahon would agree with/consider.

 

[Webster]

So, something a little different here. Apparently PragerU - not an actual University, just a shitty group of right-wing con-artists masquerading as scholars to spread propaganda and hate - is now serving ads on YouTube (and apparently Twitter), again/still, this time in the form of an anti-trans miniature "documentary" basically trying to ride on the coattails of "What Is A Woman?" (Which is something you should not watch or take seriously, either.)

Enter the algorithm giving me this video, which I do appreciate but... also, fuck off Google. This is why I'll both never whitelist YouTube and never give a goddamn cent to YouTube for Premium. Anyway. Video's from a non-binary person by the name of Jordan, entirely preaching to the choir with me (and no doubt Crystal and Marina) obviously but I thought - if y'all are going to be subjected to this shit and the one from The Epoch Times anyway - it wouldn't hurt to share it here.

And like, as a note for my fellow trans women before even entertaining the idea of watching, I am an extraordinarily silent person. ...Offline, I mean. You can't shut me up on the internet. I literally shrieked multiple times while watching what's been done to the main two people that have been interviewed by PU. It is heinous beyond all measure. I mean, hell, I'll say even parents in general deserve a trigger warning here. They've been abused mentally and physically, gaslit and brainwashed, and will never know peace - internally or externally.

Now coming to the state of Florida's "education system"....

 

[Webster]

Remember this case?

303 Creative LLC v. Elenis - SCOTUSblog

Independent News and Analysis on the U.S. Supreme Court

www.scotusblog.com

Well, a business owner in Michigan is decided to test that case and in a vile manner...

Hair Salon Faces Discrimination Charge After Refusing to Serve ‘Transgender’ Customers

townhall.com

In July, Townhall reported how Studio 8 Hair Lab refused to serve patrons with "preferred pronouns," according to The Kansas City Star.

"If a human identifies as anything other than a man/woman, please seek services at a local pet groomer," the hair salon owner, Christine Geiger, said in the post. "You are not welcome at this salon. Period."

"Should you request to have a particular pronoun used please note we may simply refer to you as 'hey you,'" the post continued. "This small business has the right to refuse services. We are not bound to any oaths as realtors are regarding discrimination."

*deadpans w/bitter humor* Gee, thanks, SCOTUS, ya' simple-minded motherfuckers....

 

[Crystal]

Remember this case?

303 Creative LLC v. Elenis - SCOTUSblog

Independent News and Analysis on the U.S. Supreme Court

www.scotusblog.com

Well, a business owner in Michigan is decided to test that case and in a vile manner...

Hair Salon Faces Discrimination Charge After Refusing to Serve ‘Transgender’ Customers

townhall.com

*deadpans w/bitter humor* Gee, thanks, SCOTUS, ya' simple-minded motherfuckers....

Don't do business there, that's for sure

 

[Webster]

Don't do business there, that's for sure

Get everyone around and do to them what the Greensboro Four did to Woolworths'...

https://files.nc.gov/dncr-moh/The%20Greensboro%20Four.pdf

 

[Raine]

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[Crystal]

So... literally everyone, right Christine? I'm quite certain you wouldn't take well to being referred to as a man after all.

Oh but that can't happen, they're normal people. It's only us freaks that have preferred pronouns.

The entirety of that is too stupid and juvenile to even merit thought or consideration. Any courts that do are simply illegitimate on their face.


Two things irrespective of that, though:

1) It's always been blatantly obvious, but nutjobs don't know the first thing about LGBT issues. Conversely, the LGBT community as a whole knows the Conservative movement inside out. That's what separates whinging from hate.

They never have and they never will, they just take half truths and buzzwords to spread fear while we take the flack for it.

2) At some point, fools are going to remember that the law is reactionary. Painting a target on your back is something we learned to avoid doing as much as possible a long time ago. They can label it cancel culture if they like, but putting your name and business out there like that ain't gonna go over well once you're out of business and seeking employment elsewhere. Once the 15 minutes of fame is up, no one's going to give a fuck about you.

I don't give a fuck about them already

 

[Kat]

If a human identifies as anything other than a man/woman

Even if they're hung up on the whole "your genitals are the sole determination of your gender" thing, they know intersex people exist, right? By no definition do all people fall squarely into "man" or "woman".

I'm quite certain you wouldn't take well to being referred to as a man after all.

Yeah, you hear a lot of stories about "I accidentally misgendered a trans person and they flipped out!! It was an honest mistake!" But have you ever accidentally misgendered a cis person? Holy shit will you feel their wrath. You'll probably suffer if you even hint that their gender is not blindingly obvious.

Anyway, in happier news: someone recently started at my work who uses "they" as a pronoun and everybody I've seen work with them just uses their chosen pronoun without any complaint or awkwardness. Even the Texan who blamed godless heathens for everything wrong with the world has been happy to work with them. It's heartwarming to see people treat others as people without making a big deal about it.

 

[Crystal]

Even if they're hung up on the whole "your genitals are the sole determination of your gender" thing, they know intersex people exist, right? By no definition do all people fall squarely into "man" or "woman".

Ah, but they're not trans and therefore do not get measured.

Yeah, you hear a lot of stories about "I accidentally misgendered a trans person and they flipped out!! It was an honest mistake!" But have you ever accidentally misgendered a cis person? Holy shit will you feel their wrath. You'll probably suffer if you even hint that their gender is not blindingly obvious.

Truth! Call a guy with long hair miss or a woman with short hair and a shirt and jeans on sir and you're in trouble.

Anyway, in happier news: someone recently started at my work who uses "they" as a pronoun and everybody I've seen work with them just uses their chosen pronoun without any complaint or awkwardness. Even the Texan who blamed godless heathens for everything wrong with the world has been happy to work with them. It's heartwarming to see people treat others as people without making a big deal about it.

Aww, yay! I'm glad they're finding it an easy accommodation to make for them. It's incredible what happens with a little cooperation.

 

[Webster]

Yeah, you hear a lot of stories about "I accidentally misgendered a trans person and they flipped out!! It was an honest mistake!" But have you ever accidentally misgendered a cis person? Holy shit will you feel their wrath. You'll probably suffer if you even hint that their gender is not blindingly obvious.

I remember back in 1993 when Bill Clinton was still feeling his oats as President (cue your own guffaw there!) and one of his first actions was to propose ending the military's ban on homosexual service. Holy shit, the freakout was epic at the time and rather than tell the brass to either implement his policy or turn in their stars (i.e. resign) Clinton folded like a cheap suit and we ended up with Don't Ask, Don't Tell and the Defense of Marriage Act.

Fast forward to 2011 and Obama lifts DADT (cue more freakouts) but you know the funny thing, Kat?

The military soldiered up, saluted, said "Yes, sir, we'll carry out the new policy," and the world kept right on going without a fair-thee-well because everyone recognized that military personnel, once that uniform goes on, don't give two shits about who the person next to them is or who they love or what god/goddesses they worships/don't worship; to them, you have a job to do and you do it or you go.

 

[Webster]

Call a guy with long hair miss

Years ago, when I was in college, I went to a local (that is, near UNC Charlotte) grocery store (Bi-Lo, if I remember correctly) and as I'm going through one of the checkout lines, the woman at the register says, "Will that be cash, check or card, ma'am?""

I look at her and ask her, "Do I look like a woman? Seriously, you do that I have both a mustache and short-cropped hair; do I look like a woman?"

She says to me, flippantly, "Well, you don't have to--"
I interrupt her and say, "If you like, sir, I can strip and prove to you my bona fides!"

Four years I went to UNCC, never shopped at that store and never shopped at any Bi-Lo to this day.

 

[Kat]

Years ago, when I was in college, I went to a local (that is, near UNC Charlotte) grocery store (Bi-Lo, if I remember correctly) and as I'm going through one of the checkout lines, the woman at the register says, "Will that be cash, check or card, ma'am?""

I look at her and ask her, "Do I look like a woman? Seriously, you do that I have both a mustache and short-cropped hair; do I look like a woman?"

She says to me, flippantly, "Well, you don't have to--"
I interrupt her and say, "If you like, sir, I can strip and prove to you my bona fides!"

Four years I went to UNCC, never shopped at that store and never shopped at any Bi-Lo to this day.

See what I mean?

I once referred to a woman at a place I just started working at as "he" because she was wearing baggy, masculine clothes and had short hair. I only did it once and never again, but she still started a bunch of crazy rumors about me, including that I was an alcoholic, that I had a secret kid, and that I was cheating on my boyfriend. (As if she'd have any way to know any of those things even if they were true.)

I learned my lesson and now use "they" or their name if I'm not sure which pronoun a person is expecting me to use.

I like to think I wouldn't be a jerk about it if it happened to me, but I'd definitely be bewildered and surprised and probably hurt, so who knows how I'd react.

 

[Crystal]

See what I mean?

I once referred to a woman at a place I just started working at as "he" because she was wearing baggy, masculine clothes and had short hair. I only did it once and never again, but she still started a bunch of crazy rumors about me, including that I was an alcoholic, that I had a secret kid, and that I was cheating on my boyfriend. (As if she'd have any way to know any of those things even if they were true.)

Damn, talk about overreacting! No need for any of that!

I learned my lesson and now use "they" or their name if I'm not sure which pronoun a person is expecting me to use.

Sensible, for sure, can't be too careful these days.

I like to think I wouldn't be a jerk about it if it happened to me, but I'd definitely be bewildered and surprised and probably hurt, so who knows how I'd react.

It does hurt, of course I understand why I get misgendered, but it still hurts.

 

[Raine]

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[Crystal]

We're not welcome in the Lesbian community now, so sayeth Martina Navratilova.

Martina Navratilova Says Transgender Women Can’t Be Lesbians

The out tennis legend continues to make anti-transgender comments.

www.advocate.com

 

[Raine]

The last high-profile lesbian TERF that made a scene was quickly and overwhelmingly outed as a serial predator, abuser and rapist.

So...

 

[Crystal]

But we're the real problem.

 

[Kat]

We're not welcome in the Lesbian community now, so sayeth Martina Navratilova.

Martina Navratilova Says Transgender Women Can’t Be Lesbians

The out tennis legend continues to make anti-transgender comments.

www.advocate.com

Well I say Martina is not welcome in the lesbian community and she can go fuck herself.

 

[Crystal]

Well I say Martina is not welcome in the lesbian community and she can go fuck herself.

 

[Crystal]

Sadistic teens found guilty of stabbing trans girl to death. They're going away for a long time. - LGBTQ Nation

“I want to see if it will scream like a man or a girl,” one murderer wrote of the slain trans teen.

www.lgbtqnation.com

"I want to know if it screams like a man or a girl."

Fuck the pair of them, lock them up forever.

 

[Kat]

I... don't even have words. How utterly horrid.

 

[Raine]

Yeah, been loosely following the trial with uh... predictably lengthy pauses. For obvious reasons.

This is ultimately the end result of dehumanization, and why "It" will forever be my singular Start A War button. Brianna was a person, not an object, and her murderers are the purest form of evil and deserve no chance at freedom or redemption.

 

[Crystal]

I've been following it, too, it's grotesque, absolutely horrible what they did to her. So young, so innocent, just trying to live her life.

I agree, "it" is so dehumanizing, so hurtful. I'm not too proud to admit that I spent a few nights crying after comments in a similar fashion. I can't imagine how utterly hopeless her situation felt, alone with them. Degraded, harassed, assaulted and then murdered. I hope their every day in prison brings a new level of hell for them both. Forever.

 

[Kat]

Her mom seems like a really kind, special person with how she said to have empathy for the murderous kids' parents. Personally I'd be wondering how shitty those parents are to have raised kids like that.

 

[Raine]

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[shortkut]

I’m sorry, I still see trains in the title of this thread

 

[A Punched Face]

I’m sorry, I still see trains in the title of this thread

Well accepting that trains are inherently good and should exist is something society needs to do. So that seems appropriate.

 

[Crystal]

 

[shortkut]

 

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[Crystal]

This has taken a turn...and yet, it's still somewhat on topic. Incredible.

 

[A Punched Face]

This has taken a turn...and yet, it's still somewhat on topic. Incredible.

Trains don't turn. They go the direction they were meant to go the whole time.

 

[Crystal]

Trains don't turn. They go the direction they were meant to go the whole time.

And that's why there's no I in trans. We DO change directions.

 

[shortkut]

And that's why there's no I in trans. We DO change directions.

No u

 

[Crystal]

No u

...tranus? I feel like that's something different.

 

[A Punched Face]

And that's why there's no I in trans. We DO change directions.

 

[Crystal]

 

[Crystal]

Fuck it, if we're doing memes elsewhere, you're all suffering through trans memes, too!

 

[Raine]

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[Crystal]

I am immediately reminded of all that “Soyboy” stuff from several years back.

It’s still every bit as funny now.

OMG, soyboys. That's a throwback!

 

[Raine]

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[Crystal]

The absurd jumps in logic and half-remembered factoids and confusing entirely different things that have similar or similar-enough sounding names. A simpler time indeed!


I saw the news out of Ohio with DeWine this past week or so, btw. Very… unexpected veto. To say the least. The follow-up red meat for the base was predictable, but also - thankfully - as we’ve noted minors don’t have access to those surgeries anyway so it’s ultimately just hot air. And an overall net win still, for now.

He vetoed it and then immediately passed it with an executive order, his logic is spectacularly stupid. But you're right, those surgeries aren't available to minors anyway, so...net zero. The for now is so accurate, and who knows when that'll all change again.