Zell Wolf GWF Wolf - Zell's Version Night + Day 1

[Cole]

gg wolves

this is the part that makes me wonder if you're the fool.

I am not a wolf.

Holly is not a wolf.

there is no reason to believe shortkut is.

it's okay to admit you got beat by townies.

you're gonna find out that is the case soon anyway

 

[shortkut]

I'm not sure what this means, so maybe I'll give an example.

Day ends 9am. At 9:05 the witch PMs me and selects to kill the wolf avenger. At 9:10 the medium PMs me and says they want to revive the gunner.

The avenger roles (whether wolf or town) pre-select who they will kill when they die. If nobody is pre-selected then nobody dies. So I come along at 10 am and see that the witch has killed the wolf avenger. I'd post this in the thread:

The witch has killed Zell 17, who is the Wolf Avenger.

separate post

The Wolf Avenger has taken Zell 18 to the grave with them. They were the Medium.

The gunner is not revived.

That’s what I don’t like. What if in that case the medium is in a different time zone. They are at a disadvantage to using their ability. If they submitted their revival to you before you posted they were dead, why can’t you change your last statement to say: “The Wolf Avenger has taken Zell 18 to the grave with them. They were the Medium… with his last breath, zell 18 was able to revive Zell 16, the gunner”

 

[Jawneh]

actually, I need to think. with zells clarification on chronology, maybe we don't need as thorough a ring of protection. plus the serial killer is dead, therefore one less night kill. and the protection can go elsewhere.

Will consider in a little bit.

While you're doing that, take into consideration now that both you and Holly are blowing your kill potions, you two are less a threat to the wolves and more an annoyance at best once with the protection. They would most definitely be better off either offing kut as the detective or go fishing for the doctor or the gunner or the medium.

So if anything, not using protections, using one on kut, or using them at random are better choices for those. A roleless townie is at best just a lynch vote against the wolves which they can still argue against.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

If I am alive at the end of this phase, Cole is suuuuuuper dead.

 

[Zell 17]

That’s what I don’t like. What if in that case the medium is in a different time zone. They are at a disadvantage to using their ability. If they submitted their revival to you before you posted they were dead, why can’t you change your last statement to say: “The Wolf Avenger has taken Zell 18 to the grave with them. They were the Medium… with his last breath, zell 18 was able to revive Zell 16, the gunner”

The thing I don't like about this is that the game outcome then hinges on MY activity and whether I'm online or not, and not the action of the players. If I get a quick post in at 9:06 the medium doesn't revive, but if I don't they can.

An alternative for a future game may be that all night actions are successful. But there are downsides to that too. I'll expand more on those after the game, some of the examples I would outline might give players ideas they would not otherwise have come up with.

 

[shortkut]

If I am alive at the end of this phase, Cole is suuuuuuper dead.

If ants is not a townie, then I’m voting to lynch you since I know that ants and Cole are different teams

 

[shortkut]

The thing I don't like about this is that the game outcome then hinges on MY activity and whether I'm online or not, and not the action of the players. If I get a quick post in at 9:06 the medium doesn't revive, but if I don't they can.

An alternative for a future game may be that all night actions are successful. But there are downsides to that too. I'll expand more on those after the game, some of the examples I would outline might give players ideas they would not otherwise have come up with.

I don’t recall ever playing a wolf game with the night actions being chronological. I think they’ve always been all successful to avoid issues with time zones and the like

 

[Zell 17]

I don’t recall ever playing a wolf game with the night actions being chronological. I think they’ve always been all successful to avoid issues with time zones and the like

Yeah we can discuss after, I feel like that's too important a rule to change mid-game.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

If ants is not a townie, then I’m voting to lynch you since I know that ants and Cole are different teams

Of course you would... if you were wolves with Cole...

 

[Cole]

While you're doing that, take into consideration now that both you and Holly are blowing your kill potions, you two are less a threat to the wolves and more an annoyance at best once with the protection. They would most definitely be better off either offing kut as the detective or go fishing for the doctor or the gunner or the medium.

So if anything, not using protections, using one on kut, or using them at random are better choices for those. A roleless townie is at best just a lynch vote against the wolves which they can still argue against.

noted, will factor.

If I am alive at the end of this phase, Cole is suuuuuuper dead.

except zell already said that town kills come before wolf or serial killer kills. so as long as @Holly gets her kill in, you won't be able to. not to mention the contingency that someone protects me.

The thing I don't like about this is that the game outcome then hinges on MY activity and whether I'm online or not, and not the action of the players. If I get a quick post in at 9:06 the medium doesn't revive, but if I don't they can.

An alternative for a future game may be that all night actions are successful. But there are downsides to that too. I'll expand more on those after the game, some of the examples I would outline might give players ideas they would not otherwise have come up with.

I agree this is a tough spot becsuse of all the roles. "all success" isn't viable either, but this chronological thing can be punishing.

you have 4 teams, 3 affiliations. what if you added a other category "priority". maybe the doctors protection always comes before other actions. maybe the witch is lower priority and comes after serial killer. wolves should always be "last", but the others could have a priority order. then after the night phase, you just apply the "order" and see what happens. it eliminates the need to be "on time", but also isn't as dangerous as "all successful" in a game with this many roles. you could lose like 6 people a night.

If ants is not a townie, then I’m voting to lynch you since I know that ants and Cole are different teams

yeah. I don't think fool is considering this.

when ants dies, assuming shortkut isn't playing me, ants will be guilty full stop.

if somehow you DONT die tonight, which I don't see happening, the town would risk the fool lynch just yo get him anyway.

there is no lose scenario here.

fools dies, serial killer.
ants dies, wolf.
myself, shortkut, Ryan and Holly are all protected (the roles have outed themselves)
POSSIBLE: the berseker busts his nut to take put me and whoever protects me. still a net gain.

if ants dies and is a townie, shortkut or I lied (or both of us), you lynch one after the other. both revealing more information. lynch me first and I'm a wolf, you know shortkut is 100% on the level.

or you lynch shortkut, and he's a detective, and you would know I was the liar so you lynch me.

if you lynch shortkut and he's a wolf, you reevaluate if I was played, or if it was our game plan.

there is no loss to this set up. and fools being so adamant that we are wolves and that I am "definitely dead" has .e ultra suspicious.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

except zell already said that town kills come before wolf or serial killer kills. so as long as @Holly gets her kill in, you won't be able to. not to mention the contingency that someone protects me.

Right... IF Holly was a witch...

 

[Cole]

Yeah we can discuss after, I feel like that's too important a rule to change mid-game.

agreed, you can't change it now. but I think inside I for shortkut when I say we just wanted to express our dislike of that syste..

Of course you would... if you were wolves with Cole...

...are you even reading any thing in this game?

 

[Ants!]

I know I’m a goner but before I lose my voice I just want to say: even though this game has barely started I think it’s been AMAZINGLY fun so far, I can’t wait to see how the rest of it plays out, and please sign me up for Wolf game 3!!

 

[Zell 17]

you have 4 teams, 3 affiliations. what if you added a other category "priority". maybe the doctors protection always comes before other actions. maybe the witch is lower priority and comes after serial killer. wolves should always be "last", but the others could have a priority order. then after the night phase, you just apply the "order" and see what happens. it eliminates the need to be "on time", but also isn't as dangerous as "all successful" in a game with this many roles. you could lose like 6 people a night.

This is probably the way to go. Next time!

 

[Cole]

Right... IF Holly was a witch...

she is a witch. zell doesn't like that I used "dm evidence" but it's already out there. she identified that I verbatim quoted the PM.

Holly is only a wolf if I am. and if you really think I was THAT many steps ahead to plan out matching DMs with Holly that Zell than accidentally authenticated, well... thanks? I guess?

but I don't think I could have even planned this out this well.

in the end, we got 2 enemies off the board on day 1 with zero information.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

are you even reading any thing in this game?

Acting like you're ignoring the possibility that you Holly, and kut aren't all wolves is sus.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

she is a witch. zell doesn't like that I used "dm evidence" but it's already out there. she identified that I verbatim quoted the PM.

Right... because wolves definitely can't coordinate lies...

 

[Cole]

I know I’m a goner but before I lose my voice I just want to say: even though this game has barely started I think it’s been AMAZINGLY fun so far, I can’t wait to see how the rest of it plays out, and please sign me up for Wolf game 3!!

I am glad to hear you say that.

Fools (and you, and someone else I wont name) have made me feel a little guilty, and I don't think I should. all I will say is not only is role reveals apart of wolf, but I know FOR A FACT this game was designed to have role revealing as an aspect.

I forced everyone's hand, but I wasn't trying to make it not fun. I didn't wake up wanting to get ants specifically outed.

I AM having fun in this game.

 

[Cole]

Acting like you're ignoring the possibility that you Holly, and kut aren't all wolves is sus.

no it is not sus. you ignoring literally mountains of evidence just to try and get people to lynch me. which is fine, that's a valid strategy. unfortunately in this instance, the cards have already been dealt, and you're standing there with a 7 of spades and the rules to draw and stud poker and pushing all in.

Right... because wolves definitely can't coordinate lies...

yes, they can

but this would be an orchestrated 30 step plan, and I don't have the time OR mental capacity to go quite THAT deep.

but by all means, keep saying it. you'll see very soon and then it's problem solved.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I forced everyone's hand, but I wasn't trying to make it not fun.

Forcing other's hands and then stating that they're ruining the game for not following along makes it not fun.

Unless you're a wolf, then gg.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

yes, they can

sarcasm

 

[Ants!]

I am glad to hear you say that.

Fools (and you, and someone else I wont name) have made me feel a little guilty, and I don't think I should. all I will say is not only is role reveals apart of wolf, but I know FOR A FACT this game was designed to have role revealing as an aspect.

I forced everyone's hand, but I wasn't trying to make it not fun. I didn't wake up wanting to get ants specifically outed.

I AM having fun in this game.

No hard feelings, and I don’t mean to cast aspersions that your gameplay isn’t legitimate. Again, I just got dealt a bad hand and I accept that, sorry if it came across as salty (maybe I was a little bit at first). Also I don’t trust my own opinion on the matter to be completely unbiased since it worked against me this time, lol.

The way Fool was strong-armed doesn’t quite sit right with me for some reason, but it is a strategy and within the rules so not claiming foul there.

 

[shortkut]

I am glad to hear you say that.

Fools (and you, and someone else I wont name) have made me feel a little guilty, and I don't think I should. all I will say is not only is role reveals apart of wolf, but I know FOR A FACT this game was designed to have role revealing as an aspect.

I forced everyone's hand, but I wasn't trying to make it not fun. I didn't wake up wanting to get ants specifically outed.

I AM having fun in this game.

I think the role reveals made it fun. If holly and Ryan are telling the truth, it now gives an opportunity to strategize that wasn’t there before

 

[Cole]

Forcing other's hands and then stating that they're ruining the game for not following along makes it not fun.

Unless you're a wolf, then gg.

you said I ruined the game like 10 pages ago becsuse I did some thing unusual that is perfectly in line with normal wolf games.

YOU on the other hand presented no evidence to defend yourself aside from saying "BRO YOULL REGRET THIS".

you put your own head on the chopping block, you weren't even on my fucking radar, just like last game, but instead you made some silly choices and you keep doubling down on them.

it's fine. you and ants will die, and if I'm understanding things right, both kills will report as having come from witches.

if that's not enough to convince the rest of the town I was legit, I'll die then the rest of the town will KNOW I was legit, and then holly, Ryan and shortkut will be more secure in their innocence by nature of my death.

 

[Cole]

sarcasm

I'm aware it was sarcasm. but you're confusing a simple lie, with a 30 step preorchestrated plan involving DMs and (so far) 6 different names.

you're bordering on conspiracy theory territory now.

I understand if you're feeling a little salty about the course of events in this game, I apologize.

but now you're just being ridiculous.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I don't disagree that I misplayed my part, but let's not pretend like trying to force out roles as a townie so that people can confirm that they're good is anything but fucked or a obvious wolf play.

 

[shortkut]

You ruined his fun because he is going to die for sucking at this game

 

[shortkut]

I don't disagree that I misplayed my part, but let's not pretend like trying to force out roles as a townie so that people can confirm that they're good is anything but fucked or a obvious wolf play.

He outed himself. I chose to out myself. Ryan backed himself into a corner and had to out himself. Holly did the same thing. Cole didn’t force anyone. Jolt fucked himself this game by misplaying almost every post he made and as such, is upset he’s going to die and is blaming everyone but himself

 

[Cole]

I don't disagree that I misplayed my part, but let's not pretend like trying to force out roles as a townie so that people can confirm that they're good is anything but fucked or a obvious wolf play.

sure, we don't have to pretend because it's fucking not.

I'm trying so hard to be polite (that's Coleman polite, which is often less polite than normal people) and not condescending, but let me pay this out for you.

in any wolf game ever, at least the ones I've played st GW, revealing your roles is important. if you're a townie and you are about to die, you fucking tell people what you know. it is PART OF THE GAME.

you wete (are) about to die, but you claimed you were of value, how are we supposed to just believe you when you've acted guilty since the word go?

you didn't even put up a fight about it. you just said "wow coles an assume that ruined the whole game, guess I'll just die".

i hope you feel very silly when you realize just how honest all of my posts have been.

I'm done with this argument with you, it's bordering on leaving the game and becoming "real" becsuse you're angry I picked up on your bullshit and you cornered yourself by claiming grand help but having no leg to stand on.

I'm sorry if you still don't like me from the old days. I used to care about stuff like that. I came back to GWF and wanted to (and have) given everything a fresh start. I'm different, everyone is different. I held no grudges, I have made up with people that I thought hated me and who I didn't like at all.

if you don't wanna be one of those, fine.

but now you're just getting spiteful.

enjoy the rest of the game and any future wolf games.

stop blaming everyone else (me) for the mistakes you made in this game.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

You ruined his fun because he is going to die for sucking at this game

Screw you, let me be salty.

 

[Holly]

Heh, when I first posted today I was so sure I had "got" Cole because I knew my role. Then I saw him quoting the DM from Zell, the same one that I got. So I know that he's the same role as me, the witch. And if either of us is killed it will prove that we were both telling the truth. I've already come to terms with the fact that with my role outed I'm unlikely to make it to the end of the game but I'm damned sure gonna do what I can to help the townies win.

 

[Cole]

damnit, I have so many typos in that post.

Zell I hate you. next game, use an editing honor system. if people wanna correct typos, let them. I agree like "details" shouldn't be edited, votes shouldn't be edited. but I wanna fix ma damn typos!

 

[Cole]

Heh, when I first posted today I was so sure I had "got" Cole because I knew my role. Then I saw him quoting the DM from Zell, the same one that I got. So I know that he's the same role as me, the witch. And if either of us is killed it will prove that we were both telling the truth. I've already come to terms with the fact that with my role outed I'm unlikely to make it to the end of the game but I'm damned sure gonna do what I can to help the townies win.

don't look at it that way. Yes, anyone that has revealed their role is a potential target. But that also means the town can try and protect us.

AND MORE OVER, we're about to burn all 4 of our combined abilities (potentially) which makes us little more than a nuisance to the wolves now. We can't directly affect the game.

they're gonna wanna kill me asap, if only because of the chaos I caused. But if you're careful, you can fly under the radar once your abilities are gone.

 

[Zell 17]

damnit, I have so many typos in that post.

Zell I hate you. next game, use an editing honor system. if people wanna correct typos, let them. I agree like "details" shouldn't be edited, votes shouldn't be edited. but I wanna fix ma damn typos!

Get better!

 

[Cole]

Get better!

I WAS ON MOBILE. IT WAS AUTO CORRECTED YOU DUCKING DITCH!

 

[Zell 17]

Yeah there's already a couple things I'll change for the next go around to make things a little more painless. THANKS FOR BEING MY GUINEA PIGS

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I WAS ON MOBILE. IT WAS AUTO CORRECTED YOU DUCKING DITCH!

I turned my autocorrect off because it kept putting words in that I don't want.

Not I juat tyle with lots kf errors

 

[Cole]

While you're doing that, take into consideration now that both you and Holly are blowing your kill potions, you two are less a threat to the wolves and more an annoyance at best once with the protection. They would most definitely be better off either offing kut as the detective or go fishing for the doctor or the gunner or the medium.

So if anything, not using protections, using one on kut, or using them at random are better choices for those. A roleless townie is at best just a lynch vote against the wolves which they can still argue against.

so, continuing my trend of not only honesty but *full disclosure*

I think we keep the plan shortkut posted as is. the protection may be excessive, but it doesn't necessarily matter.

if both of our potions are successful? great, we saved two lives.

If one or both of our potions fail? we get them back anyway.

the protection plan should stay. roles that have outed themselves should be protected until we prove they're lying or they die elsewhere.

@shortkut post the plan once per page if it gets bumped off until the day ends.

 

[Holly]

Ding dong ditch, you say?

 

[Cole]

PLUS: if the other townies (especially ones with protection roles) know that myself, Holly, and Ryan will be protecting specific people tonight. It lets them spread out THEIR protections and hopefully cover more potential ground.

With just a hair of luck, we can kill two enemies tonight and not lose a townie.

wolves have to play 3D Chess. Is it worth it to risk our little "role revealed clique"? or do they try and target someone else to just get the guaranteed kill?

 

[Ryan!]

Quite a lot of people have been radio silent. Including Tommy after having some activity and then dipping after being accused. Pretty Foolish, if you ask me.

 

[Cole]

the wolves need to consider the course of events before they bust the berserker, if Ants is one of you, it was an unfortunate set of events, but he's dead regardless. is it worth it to bust your super kill on a witch that is about to lose his powers? maybe not. or maybe you think I'm good enough to get information without my abilities? then do it.

but as of right now...

we know 4 good roles. and you can at BEST take out two of them. But then you lose your super kill, and all the other abilities that are or could be present in the game will have easy pickings on you lot.

 

[Ryan!]

They bust their super kill, they still have zero clue who the Doctor is. That role and the Medium are the two most important roles in this game and we need to keep them preserved as long as possible. It gives a guaranteed protection that they can't coordinate against and it gives a revive that negates whatever they do.

 

[Cole]

They bust their super kill, they still have zero clue who the Doctor is. That role and the Medium are the two most important roles in this game and we need to keep them preserved as long as possible. It gives a guaranteed protection that they can't coordinate against and it gives a revive that negates whatever they do.

fair points.

so choose wisely, wolves. you wanna bust your nut just to get me tonight?

or you wanna bust your nut to get me tonight, and then risk the Medium reviving me anyway, and you're still out your super kill.

 

[shortkut]

@Cole overnight kill @Ants!
@Holly overnight kill @Fool's Requiem
@Ryan! overbight protect @Cole
@Cole overnight protect @Holly
@Holly overnight protect me

Reposting #neverforget

@Cole overnight kill @Ants!
@Holly overnight kill @Fool's Requiem
@Ryan! overbight protect @Cole
@Cole overnight protect @Holly
@Holly overnight protect me

 

[Cole]

Reposting #neverforget

@Cole overnight kill @Ants!
@Holly overnight kill @Fool's Requiem
@Ryan! overbight protect @Cole
@Cole overnight protect @Holly
@Holly overnight protect me

actually we need to add to this.

who do you plan to investigate tonight? the logical choice is to compare Holly or I to anyone we think guilty.

maybe Tommy?

 

[Ryan!]

actually we need to add to this.

who do you plan to investigate tonight? the logical choice is to compare Holly or I to anyone we think guilty.

maybe Tommy?

I second Tommy. He's very suspect.

 

[Cole]

does anyone else have any hints at a lead?

the only other real stuff I have...

@Dean has posted a few times, but they've primarily all been just "recaps". that could be shady, trying to fly under the radar.

@Kat, in a very limited sample size of 1 day of 1 game makes me nervous. I feel like she could be a wolf ringleader.

@VashTheStampede has been almost... too agreeable, trying to play devils advocate everywhere.

those are all my very loosest of leads.

does anyone have anybody else they suspect for any reason?

 

[shortkut]

I wasn’t sure. I was going to pick you and Ryan to confirm, but after about 10-15 pages I was thinking about Cole and either Kat or tommy. Kat obviously has a role with a night action, Tommy is suspiciously quiet.

Cole is going to be my baseline with each detection

 

[VashTheStampede]

@VashTheStampede has been almost... too agreeable, trying to play devils advocate everywhere.

Thats a good point but maybe he likes to be really open with his thought process! Just playing devils advocate here!