brother you literally posted a map of the UN declaring Palestine a state saying Palestine wasn't a state. You're the one who know little here. In fact, you're a straight up idiot who can't source a single argument and runs away when called out. Coward.
I thought we were done talking, but ok. Do you know what happened right after and Palestine did not even get a chance to exist? Surely you must know this.
Link me a source
Source if right there on the second map. Do you see those green arrows coming from Jordan and Egypt? I think you know what those mean, right? Before even giving Palestinians a chance to form a country in the lands given through the mandate, war was started. After the war, we ended up with the third map. Sure, Israel took over more lands, was that wrong? Maybe. But it was a defensive war and they did take lands. At that point, Arabs still had control over Gaza and the section containing Jerusalem and that would have been a perfect opportunity to make peace and make that section (And even Gaza) finally Palestine country. I mean they had freaking Jerusalem, you know how important that little section of land is? But no, they went to war yet again and lost even more lands and so on...
So your source, and what you're saying, is when Palestine was given the UN permission to form their sovereign state, other countries attacked, took advantage and took over and caused war. Somehow that's Palestine's and the Palestinians fault? Sounds about right for an asshole rooting for genocide of women and children because their beliefs go against his. You're blaming the attack on the land a group was allowed on the group allowed that land, and you're further supporting one of the groups genociding them because " well, the land could've been theirs if not for this vote"
Sure dude. But you seem to be the height of intelligence and do not sound incoherent at all.
Who are "vanilla Christians"? The only branch of Christianity you haven't mentioned is Orthodox. Are you saying Orthodox are persecuting Catholics and Protestants? "Vanilla Christians" isn't a thing. It doesn't even make sense.
*Your* source claims Japan was a Buddhist country, and implies that Buddhism is behind Japan's role in the war. This is ridiculous because:
It was *your* goofy-ass source that implied it was Buddhist doctrine/beliefs that lead to Japan's role in WWII. Why? Because there is no religious/cultural war being waged between Islam and Shintoism like there is between Islam and Buddhism.
Yeah, I recall that this is a *choice* women make, not an ideal that is forced upon them by their government, community, and family, for fear of reprisals such as beatings, ostracization, and even death.
A basic standard of societal decency required for certain workplaces that women choose to work at is not quite the same as oppressive rules that pervade all layers of society.
They're literally trying? Damn that's crazy. Anyway they're literally the law in other countries.
A 1950s American sitcom does not quite have the same religious rigor as an actually holy text. So maybe you can provide me a quote from the New Testament that says it's okay to beat your wife, or even better -- from modern Christian scholars.
Spoiler alert: nations use religion as an excuse to justify their war. That does not mean that their war is religious in nature. Japan didn't go to war due to Buddhist ideals. They went to war because they were an imperialist nation, and they needed resources.
Also another not-exactly-hot-take that colonizers try to bend the local version of a religion to their own version/oversight. Taking advantage of religion to institute control is not the same thing as the inherent principles or philosophy of a religion revolving around instituting control.
I would love to join and see how someone, with a straight face, can claim that in this day and age any other religion is more dangerous than Islam.
This is a good idea.
No you just came in here like we're all Elementary School children playing in the sand and that you, and you alone, could possibly understand some nebulous point about religious authoritarian states. When that isn't even the point of this discussion.
It literally does not matter which religion is "more dangerous" than another. If two radical extremists armed with instruments of war get you in their crosshairs, does it make a difference that one is Christian and one is Muslim?
I was wondering why I missed this 3 pages in a day... then I noticed it was CE and I avoid that forum. Well, really only the subjects that I know nothing about like Israel/Palestine or likely explosive topics.
No no, I just learned there is a proper time and place.Would you look at that? The Big Bad Bruin has gone soft!
Oh trust me.Would you look at that? The Big Bad Bruin has gone soft!
"Make it real" never had so much regret lol
Will it be free is the question. (I don't watch boxing)
It's partially unrelated because it's a moot point that has already come and gone, specifically with regards to Palestine. There isn't going to be a Gaza or a West Bank to coexist with - there is barely a Gaza while I type this out. Y'know?
Specifically WRT whatever nonsense aiat is/was spouting about Muslims/Islam being the most extreme or whatever, that then got you having honestly dumb exchanges with FQ and CAFM. It just... it doesn't matter? It really doesn't. They're both fucking trash, many of the adherents of both are trash, news at eleven. I really don't think there's ever a good time or place to try and sit and rank which one sits higher on the list - but particularly not in the thread that's the successor of another thread that did real, lasting damage to this community.
And I would like to pause and say that that's incredibly fucked up, honestly. Obviously.
And there's a very good reason my bitch ass ain't never gonna approach the Middle-East, but within the context of Israel becoming a genocidal regime backed by the US I didn't think it needed to be said how much I also oppose Iran, Saudi Arabia, et al.
It 100% does for aiat, whose are the only posts I bothered to read through this morning.
I don't know why you and aiat both think this, honestly? It's very weird.
Because everyone who says Israel should stop has not really offered a legitimate solution to the problem. Stop and... what? Allow themselves to be attacked again? I agree they've gone too far -- have BEEN going too far for a long time -- but, realpolitik, what option do they have to protect their citizens and secure their future when they're constantly harassed by rockets, stabbings, genocidal language coming from Palestinians.
Hey there a thread here. I was surprised to see me quoted in the first post.Technically Gaza is not palestine. Also, there are so much history in the middle that it is not so simple. This is the main issue, most think Israel simply came and started opressing Palestine. There was no Palestine, they made it up after Israel came to existence. The so called Palestine had numerous opportunities to be a country, but it was not enough for them. They did everything in their power to screw with e everyone in their region, case in point:
Black September - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
I hate to start this all over again, but extreme religious movements specially Islamic ones should never be allowed to exist. I say that from experience.
Just a little genocide.
Well it's less "should stop" and more "never started to begin with." The question ends up having two wildly distinct answers depending on hypothetical scenarios based on whether we're talking clear back in October or literally right now, y'know?
I understand aiat's line of thinking more. He's witnessed firsthand the brutal aftermath of a liberal country being overtaken by a bunch of religious zealots. He wants Hamas eliminated, and he understands that civilians die in war. He's not trolling. He may flub or misrepresent some details, but at least he's been generally respectful in the debate.
Agreed. I just do not see what long game Israel is playing. They seem to be approaching this war from the dumbest, most brutal angle possible.
excuse me but what the fuck
I think their angle is genocide and/or complete control.
Do you know how wars work? What exactly is genocide when three countries attack another country with the intent to destroy it three times, then lose. How is that genocide? I really want to know.
Three countries attacking Israel? Are you referring to the recent events when Hamas attacked or something else?
