Zell Wolf Discussion Thread v2

[shortkut]

My thoughts on vash is that he’s the flower child

I see colors too, maaan. It's pretty far out.

Pretty confident I’m right

 

[Ryan!]

Pretty confident I’m right

Yeah, good read

 

[Ryan!]

Canadaguy delaying things is really kinda confirming my read on him.

 

[shortkut]

I just don’t know how he made his list of possible roles for Cole without being an aura seer

 

[Ryan!]

Yeah that indont know about.

Three Aura Seers in game? What are the odds?

 

[shortkut]

Yeah that indont know about.

Three Aura Seers in game? What are the odds?

I asked @Zell 17 before I died and he said 50% but he could be fucking with me

 

[Ryan!]

The wolves are so losing this game. They obviously figured Cole was going to be protected, so no sense going after him. Killing kut was such a mistake. Best to keep you alive and lead the suspicion train on you. Best option would have been TD. He made it so obvious who he was, and how important his role could be. He can literally find kills. It keeps the town in the dark. If I were a Wolf, TD would have been my guaranteed target.

 

[Ryan!]

Wait, did Ants get Wolf three games in a row?

Mother fucker may have gotten it three games straight and in all the times I've played this I don't think I've ever been a wolf.

 

[Zell 17]

Was my post stating the results of my investigation here okay?

Yes you can post anything you want here

I asked @Zell 17 before I died and he said 50% but he could be fucking with me

yes I was fucking with you

 

[Ryan!]

Yes you can post anything you want here

yes I was fucking with you

Clearly. The answer is actually 34.567530942069%

 

[shortkut]

Yes you can post anything you want here

yes I was fucking with you

I knew you were

Wait, did Ants get Wolf three games in a row?

Mother fucker may have gotten it three games straight and in all the times I've played this I don't think I've ever been a wolf.

Every time I vote ants! First he’s a wolf. 100% of the time. Next game I’m not changing my vote

 

[Zell 17]

Hey @Ants!

I can't lie. Monumentally disappointed in the evils this game. Ants played the best game of the baddies but you need some help. Probably should have gone on a rampage last night though.

 

[Ants!]

Hey @Ants!

I can't lie. Monumentally disappointed in the evils this game. Ants played the best game of the baddies but you need some help. Probably should have gone on a rampage last night though.

Yeah I didn’t expect them to narrow down the list so quickly on day 2. I was initially going to wait until the numbers were right so I could PM “kill everyone except me”, and then this morning was oh shit, I better use these three kills TONIGHT, to oh well damn they got me pegged now.

 

[Zell 17]

Last game the evils didn't know better and got wrecked. This time they did know better and still tried to hide...and are gonna get wrecked.

This game was there for the taking IMO with a couple better decisions.

 

[Ants!]

Hey @Ants!

I can't lie. Monumentally disappointed in the evils this game. Ants played the best game of the baddies but you need some help. Probably should have gone on a rampage last night though.

To be fair, the wolves nailed two aura seers.

 

[Ryan!]

Mother fucker gets to be evil three games in a row and the best I've gotten is an independent role trying to get myself intentionally killed. I just wanna do murder

 

[Zell 17]

To be fair, the wolves nailed two aura seers.

Which is a mistake. You want to keep random villagers alive. Or better yet, fake aura seer yourself. The village SHOULD be extremely suspicious of 4 seers, but since nobody challenged them they can just sit and pick everyone apart.

 

[Ants!]

My assessment after three wolf games: no roles favors the wolves heavily. Everyone having a role makes the townies overpowered. I think a balanced game would be some of the townies have roles and some are just ordinary folk who can vote to lynch.

 

[Ants!]

Which is a mistake. You want to keep random villagers alive. Or better yet, fake aura seer yourself. The village SHOULD be extremely suspicious of 4 seers, but since nobody challenged them they can just sit and pick everyone apart.

This to me reads “if you played my game the specific way I have in mind then you can win”, but not everyone plays the same way.

 

[Zell 17]

My assessment after three wolf games: no roles favors the wolves heavily. Everyone having a role makes the townies overpowered. I think a balanced game would be some of the townies have roles and some are just ordinary folk who can vote to lynch.

I’d like to see the wolves make a real attempt to win before coming to this conclusion. Sitting and hoping nobody finds you isn’t a real attempt.

 

[Ants!]

You mean they don’t get involved in the lynching discussions too much?

 

[Ants!]

Also, another reason for my not going on a killing spree yet, I was scared of the tough guy. I was hoping he would get taken out some other kind of way first, then I probably would’ve been killing people every night.

 

[Zell 17]

You mean they don’t get involved in the lynching discussions too much?

What I mean is eventually everyone is going to have to claim some kind of role. You had a plan from the start, you were BH. Great! If you get checked by aura or SS it backs your story. I have no problem with your strategy at all and think you got marginally unlucky.

The wolves don't have any roles. They killed the random villagers (so now all RVs are confirmed) and have allowed Fool's to be the only TG claim. The game is basically over, everyone has claimed a role except for the four bad guys. You can't let that happen.

 

[Ants!]

I’m not sure I’ll see how the wolves got caught laying low. There were at least four seers in this game and they got found out on day two.

 

[Ants!]

What I mean is eventually everyone is going to have to claim some kind of role. You had a plan from the start, you were BH. Great! If you get checked by aura or SS it backs your story. I have no problem with your strategy at all and think you got marginally unlucky.

The wolves don't have any roles. They killed the random villagers (so now all RVs are confirmed) and have allowed Fool's to be the only TG claim. The game is basically over, everyone has claimed a role except for the four bad guys. You can't let that happen.

I get what you’re saying about role claiming though. If it is allowed in the game, then they need to do it or die.

 

[Zell 17]

I’m not sure I’ll see how the wolves got caught laying low. There were at least four seers in this game and they got found out on day two.

Four seers should be bad for the town, not good. After Alu gets killed day 1, how easy is it for someone to just say that shortkut is red? He's instantly lynched because nobody will trust his claim of Aura seer that HAPPENED to check Cole, the only proven role.

 

[Ants!]

Four seers should be bad for the town, not good. After Alu gets killed day 1, how easy is it for someone to just say that shortkut is red? He's instantly lynched because nobody will trust his claim of Aura seer that HAPPENED to check Cole, the only proven role.

Okay this is a fair point.

 

[Zell 17]

This to me reads “if you played my game the specific way I have in mind then you can win”, but not everyone plays the same way.

What I mean is the whole idea of the game for townie and wolf alike is to convince the majority that you belong to the town. Several town roles are provable. Claiming those is probably a bad idea. When you kill an *unprovable* role, you are reducing the number of places you can hide.

 

[Tommy Boy]

Once dead your info should stay dead. I know Alu had some reactions but they were mostly to jokes

oh fuck i have totally been reacting to funny shit but not "agree" to anything info related. Just the jokes.

 

[Ryan!]

Wolves deserve to lose this game. There was no reason whatsoever to not kill TD. None. Kut had enough suspicion on him they could have gotten everyone to lynch him. There was no way for them to know Vash was gonna be confirmed as good today anyway, but that wouldn't have mattered.

@Ants! why didn't you kill anyone? Stacking kills to take out all the Wolves at once?

 

[shortkut]

What I mean is eventually everyone is going to have to claim some kind of role. You had a plan from the start, you were BH. Great! If you get checked by aura or SS it backs your story. I have no problem with your strategy at all and think you got marginally unlucky.

The wolves don't have any roles. They killed the random villagers (so now all RVs are confirmed) and have allowed Fool's to be the only TG claim. The game is basically over, everyone has claimed a role except for the four bad guys. You can't let that happen.

I thought you don’t like role claiming?

 

[Ants!]

Wolves deserve to lose this game. There was no reason whatsoever to not kill TD. None. Kut had enough suspicion on him they could have gotten everyone to lynch him. There was no way for them to know Vash was gonna be confirmed as good today anyway, but that wouldn't have mattered.

@Ants! why didn't you kill anyone? Stacking kills to take out all the Wolves at once?

Two reasons: to get a blue reading if the spirit seer ever checked me, to kill everyone remaining in one shot, and because I wanted the tough guy taken out first, and also I didn’t expect them to narrow everything down like that in the first few minutes of day freaking 2.

Okay so four reasons.

 

[Ants!]

I was really low on everyone’s sus list until kut died and alu revived and then vash and TD came out with their info as well. Things just snowballed this morning when I thought I had a lot more time after successfully making everyone convinced I was Town on day 1.

 

[shortkut]

I really should just kill @Ants! day 1 next time I have a day killing role because every time I vote him day 1 he is anti-town

 

[Ants!]

I had a backup planned since the beginning: claim beast hunter. Unknown aura and hard for me to prove the role. But everyone ELSE got figured out and I remained by process of elimination.

 

[Tommy Boy]

How do people still not know Vash is FC? Is he lying or is everyone just missing it?

Also who do we think the wolves are? Is Raposa a wolf?

 

[Ants!]

I really should just kill @Ants! day 1 next time I have a day killing role because every time I vote him day 1 he is anti-town

Yall really should just consider me automatically sus from now on. Lol

 

[Ants!]

How do people still not know Vash is FC? Is he lying or is everyone just missing it?

Also who do we think the wolves are? Is Raposa a wolf?

They’ve been knowing for a few hours now.

 

[shortkut]

I started off subtlety dropping clues that I hoped @Cole would get and see that I was innocent and checked him. Then I decided to just be super sus and started not giving a shit

 

[Zell 17]

I thought you don’t like role claiming?

The only people that shouldn't like role claiming are evils, because if people claim roles it's hard for them to be evil.

(I'm all for it)

 

[Zell 17]

Two reasons: to get a blue reading if the spirit seer ever checked me, to kill everyone remaining in one shot, and because I wanted the tough guy taken out first, and also I didn’t expect them to narrow everything down like that in the first few minutes of day freaking 2.

Okay so four reasons.

It was a good plan.

Actually, day 1 would have been really wild if you had gone through with killing n1, because you are Ryan would have shown as red. Also another reason that'll you'll see in the postgame.

 

[shortkut]

@Zell 17 do they show red if they’ve killed anyone at any point in the game or only if they killed that night?

 

[Zell 17]

@Zell 17 do they show red if they’ve killed anyone at any point in the game or only if they killed that night?

Only that night.

 

[Ryan!]

It was a good plan.

Actually, day 1 would have been really wild if you had gone through with killing n1, because you are Ryan would have shown as red. Also another reason that'll you'll see in the postgame.

Wait, pump the brakes. If Ants had killed someone, I would have shown red?

 

[Ryan!]

Honestly, Ants should have gotten rid of one of TD or Vash, and the Wolves should have gotten the other. Since I was wrong on canadaguy, taking him out wouldn't have been a bad idea either.

 

[Ants!]

Wait, pump the brakes. If Ants had killed someone, I would have shown red?

At first I said kill Holly because she lived the entire game last time, but in the morning I asked if I could take that back in case the spirit seer checked me, which apparently they did. I also didn’t know about stacked kills the night before.

 

[Ants!]

I knew it was an uphill challenge, but after ending day 1 having people mostly convinced I was townie, I could almost see myself getting those 20 HoF points

 

[Zell 17]

Honestly, Ants should have gotten rid of one of TD or Vash, and the Wolves should have gotten the other. Since I was wrong on canadaguy, taking him out wouldn't have been a bad idea either.

Yeah, you check two characters, and if EITHER kill, BOTH show red.

 

[Ryan!]

DAMNIT ANTS YOU COULD HAVE GOTTEN ME LYNCHED AND ENDED THE ENTIRE GAME FIRST DAY!

 

[shortkut]

DAMNIT ANTS YOU COULD HAVE GOTTEN ME LYNCHED AND ENDED THE ENTIRE GAME FIRST DAY!

But then we wouldn’t have hit 1000k posts in the thread.