Aftercare

[Benzine]

Think I'm pretty much fully understanding, that's totally fair.

 

[Benzine]

Next game I will be doing a gimmick that isn't a gimmick.

I will be treating you all like the users/customers I deal with at work. Prepare to get problem solved, professionally.

 

[Tommy Boy]

Next game I will be doing a gimmick that isn't a gimmick.

I will be treating you all like the users/customers I deal with at work. Prepare to get problem solved, professionally.

 

[Benzine]

Hello Tommy Boy,

Hope you're well.

Thanks for the information, I appreciate it. I'll ensure this is included in our next game interaction.

Let me know if there's anything else I can help with, and have a good one.

 

[Local Hero]

Hello Tommy Boy,

Hope you're well.

Thanks for the information, I appreciate it. I'll ensure this is included in our next game interaction.

Let me know if there's anything else I can help with, and have a good one.

Hello, I hope you're well.

As previously discussed, I will not have the bandwidth to commit myself fully to the next game.

However, I'll be sure to join and contribute where I can.

Warm regards,

local

 

[Benzine]

Hello, I hope you're well.

As previously discussed, I will not have the bandwidth to commit myself fully to the next game.

However, I'll be sure to join and contribute where I can.

Warm regards,

local

Hey Local,

I am indeed - thanks for asking.

That's not a problem at all, we encourage all to participate, regardless of capabilities. I'll leave a note against your account so my peers know this is the case too.

Was there anything else I can help with? I'll be here if so.

Have a good one!

 

[Local Hero]

I accept that TD is a seer and I mostly think Lee is the werewolf fan, and I know im a regular townie, so I think the group of Ben, Fools, and shortkut are sus to me

Fool's suspect? He freaking killed a wolf as a priest or something, right?

 

[Tommy Boy]

Fool's suspect? He freaking killed a wolf as a priest or something, right?

Jump lost the plot a long time ago. Dude has a constant liar in his ear who he blindly trusts. It will never end good lol.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I already want to speak to the manager

 

[Benzine]

I already want to speak to the manager

I don't want to invoke the manager snippet in my ticket software in case it adds tags to the ticket I'm in, but I was gonna use it cause it basically tells you to fk off and what i say goes

 

[Kat]

I do not regret shooting you when Benzine, Kat and shortkut all did false claims against you. You had to die to begin unraveling that.

I don't think I accused Jawneh of anything, but I agree it was worth taking a shot to see what became of it.

Nooo, I've already been second butthole'd (BY YOU!?!) once already. I don't wanna!

It's not my fault you always get such good roles!

That aside the biggest miscalculation is nobody (besides me, I guess, but that sounds conceited ) really having the capacity to realize what the wolves were doing, with or without Instigator layered on top, until after their death and seeing the spoilers.

You definitely caught on more than anybody else, which I'm sure is partly why you died that night. I was rooting for you to figure it out and get TD lynched instead of Tommy, but it just wasn't happening.

But as a wolf, I'm always trying to dodge people like you, Raine, TD... that are supremely good at reading people. It's not that I feel bad, it's that it takes a real and legitimate physical toll that no one should have to pay. I truly don't think I feel this way if the percentages were flipped and I'm town 80% because I can play more relaxed some.

I totally get this. Last time I was wolf, it did get stressful, and I was happy to not be a wolf the next game. I'm surprised people who are sick of being a wolf don't sacrifice themselves more often. It worked pretty great for kut lol.

 

[Raine]

Not so much as feel bad as it's ALWAYS trying to deceive when I'm a wolf. If we constantly have 16 players, statistical analysis should NOT show me being a wolf 80% of the time. The one time I survived as a townie, I was a Doctor that missed every save. But as a wolf, I'm always trying to dodge people like you, Raine, TD... that are supremely good at reading people. It's not that I feel bad, it's that it takes a real and legitimate physical toll that no one should have to pay. I truly don't think I feel this way if the percentages were flipped and I'm town 80% because I can play more relaxed some.

Hopefully that makes sense.

Zell's RNG is legitimately busted or misleading. I was a Strong Villager this game, after my first ever Regular Villager last game. And I've been wolf twice. Out of... I don't know, let's count!

Game 2 - Jailer (Strong)
Game 3 - Guardian Wolf
Game 6 - Berserk Werewolf
Game 7 - Ritualist (Strong)
Game 8 - Warden (Strong)
Game 9 - Jailer (Strong)
Game 10 - Ritualist (Strong)
Game 11 - Detective (Strong) [Cupid Paired]
Game 13 - Spirit Seer
Game 14 - Gunner (Strong)

10 games! So 70% of my games, I'm a Strong Villager. You don't need a Blind Wolf, just kill me and you'll take out something good. (Incidentally, also, I'm 80% not a wolf so STOP KILLING ME YOU MEANIE BUTTFACES)

You don't necessarily need to lie or deceive while a wolf, though. Even when I'm a wolf I just play as if I'm a townie, since as a townie I end up killing other townies pretty often. More about sharing insight into strategies and weird things I notice more than actively trying to catch a specific wolf or anything, usually? Not sure if that's helpful or not though.

 

[Benzine]

Fuck that's a good string of roles

 

[Benzine]

I am definitely killing or protecting Raine early on

Killing GWJ

 

[Local Hero]

You don't need a Blind Wolf, just kill me and you'll take out something good.

 

[Jon]

You don't necessarily need to lie or deceive while a wolf, though.

Last game I played, I tried this and was enjoying it more until I was the last wolf left. I played more relaxed and TD said I was 100% a wolf because of it. He was right, of course, but then I fucked over Jawneh and something snapped in me. A guilt I couldn't pay.

 

[Raine]

I don't think I accused Jawneh of anything, but I agree it was worth taking a shot to see what became of it.

Yeah! More of a roundabout thing, but basically Benzine said that Jawneh was a wolf and you kind of slid in and said Benzine (and FR) checked as Blue to goad that on. And then of course shortkut rolled in and said either you or Jawneh were bad, completing the Circuit of Nope.

It's not my fault you always get such good roles!

I do enjoy that you noticed and many others didn't.

Last game I played, I tried this and was enjoying it more until I was the last wolf left. I played more relaxed and TD said I was 100% a wolf because of it. He was right, of course, but then I fucked over Jawneh and something snapped in me. A guilt I couldn't pay.

Well, yeah, TD's definitely going to notice changes in behavior with people he interacts with a lot. That's part of why I mess with him constantly... although given ^all of the above^ it's usually moot and I'm the one trying to sort out his tomfoolery instead. Nothing wrong with being sus though; usually if you're playing at all you're sus to somebody. Just need some sort of vague claim to stake and be ready to go down like a champ (or chump, depending!) when the time comes - and it will come, early and often, 'cause that's the fate of wolves.

The Jawneh thing was unfortunate, but 1) I understand it's hard to keep perspective when you're drained (or draining) and 2) I didn't immediately pick up on that happening since Jawneh's goose seemed ready to get cooked right before your declaration. Lessons learned and all that though, hopefully!

Don't fight it, just let yourself get smothered by the Tiddy.

 

[Zell 17]

Re: Jawneh:

I don't know why you would go through all of the questions and the rigamarole instead of just claiming Gunner. If anything, a Gunner claim forces people to do what you are asking because you can just say "Hey, answer these questions or die". Gunners can really drive the discussion because they can play god so long as they have the threat of a bullet.

 

[Raine]

Jawneh's 100% all about the foreplay.

 

[Zell 17]

I just always scratch my head when a role that is completely provable on the spot gets watered or shot. Just seems like bad communication.

 

[Jon]

Zell's gonna have a blast with his post game analysis of what went wrong in this one.

 

[Raine]

Just seems like bad communication.

Oh you must be new here.

HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT THE PINEAPPLES

 

[VashTheStampede]

Zell's gonna have a blast with his post game analysis of what went wrong in this one.

It's pretty much downhill whenever I die

 

[Local Hero]

It's pretty much downhill whenever I die

Which is why I never vote for you.

 

[Raine]

Oh, also, since I'm dead now.

 

[Benzine]

hey why'd kelly not play this one

 

[Zell 17]

In the meantime, the Instigator chat is working on what their badges should look like

 

[Zell 17]

 

[Jon]

In the meantime, the Instigator chat is working on what their badges should look like

See, that arrogance I don't like... at least wait till that game concludes...

 

[Benzine]

See, that arrogance I don't like... at least wait till that game concludes...

AH JON, it's time to take your oath of vengeance.

 

[VashTheStampede]

See, that arrogance I don't like... at least wait till that game concludes...

Yeeeaaah officially hoping they lose now.

They won't. But I can hope.

 

[Raine]

See the problem is that Ben is on their team and he's the AI image guy.

But in lieu of that, we have Google.

 

[Zell 17]

It's crazy, because if you go back to the beginning of this thread I knew the setup was gonna create fireworks. But you can't say the village was underpowered, with 6 wolf-killing bullets (Warden, Priest, 2 gunners) PLUS a flagger to protect/attack. But essentially 4 bullets got wiped out when Raine killed Jawneh and Vash died night 1.

Imagine if one of the Gunners had been Instigated

 

[VashTheStampede]

See the problem is that Ben is on their team and he's the AI image guy.

But in lieu of that, we have Google.

View attachment 8536

Now this is art

 

[Zell 17]

See, that arrogance I don't like... at least wait till that game concludes...

Oh I know, that's why I posted it here

 

[Jon]

AH JON, it's time to take your oath of vengeance.

I'm good. I didn't play, so I have nothing to... venge?

 

[Benzine]

i think we should vote for what the badge looks like

 

[Benzine]

I'm good. I didn't play, so I have nothing to... venge?

that's not in line with the oath of vengeance so that's ok

 

[Jon]

Oh I know, that's why I posted it here

Jon Shoots Shortkut
Jon waters TD

Can I do that, Zell?

 

[Jon]

i think we should vote for what the badge looks like

They should all get Judas pineapple badges

 

[Local Hero]

It's crazy, because if you go back to the beginning of this thread I knew the setup was gonna create fireworks. But you can't say the village was underpowered, with 6 wolf-killing bullets (Warden, Priest, 2 gunners) PLUS a flagger to protect/attack. But essentially 4 bullets got wiped out when Raine killed Jawneh and Vash died night 1.

Imagine if one of the Gunners had been Instigated

Imagine if I weren't useless!

 

[Benzine]

 

[Benzine]

 

[Jon]

It's crazy, because if you go back to the beginning of this thread I knew the setup was gonna create fireworks. But you can't say the village was underpowered, with 6 wolf-killing bullets (Warden, Priest, 2 gunners) PLUS a flagger to protect/attack. But essentially 4 bullets got wiped out when Raine killed Jawneh and Vash died night 1.

Imagine if one of the Gunners had been Instigated

I'm telling you, a "Shortkut has been killed by an act of god" might be completely acceptable here

 

[Raine]

Imagine if one of the Gunners had been Instigated

Are you trying to imply that I didn't do a good enough job already?

 

[Local Hero]

Are you trying to imply that I didn't do a good enough job already?

 

[Raine]

Anyway. Legitimately not starting shit. TD's on the team, he knows me inside out. We're good. It's not like he, shortkut and Ben haven't put any work in. If anything, he's put too many hours into this as usual.

But you can better understand my perspective on, say, the Corruptor (which I didn't get around to commenting on last game) if you compare it to the Instigator.

The Corruptor:
1) Can have their attacks eaten/absorbed by the town.
2) Does not learn the identity of their own victims.
3) Can only rely on themself.

The Instigator:
1) Can't kill, initially. But functionally has 3 votes during the day, and gets a say in the nightly wolf attack (if not eventually controlling it).
2) Potentially/effectively knows the rough identity of every person in the game pending available wolf roles + singular town role.
3) Is a team.

One of these is essentially impossible to win with. The other has more than a fighting chance.

 

[Zell 17]

Instigator is definitely the easiest "solo", which is why winning as Instigator is fewer points on the rankings

 

[Kat]

I bet being on the instigator team is crazy fun.

 

[Raine]

Instigator is definitely the easiest "solo", which is why winning as Instigator is fewer points on the rankings

That thing I don't look at.

Like, don't get me wrong. I "get" it. But I think I do have a bit of a problem with how enormous the gulf is between the weakest SK and the strongest one, and there's no real rhyme or reason for why any single one will show up. And no way to know, for either the town or the wolves, what they're dealing with.

Which isn't necessarily a bad thing until you realize your efforts are basically not worth anything (see also: that fucking thorn in my side, Blind Wolf). Or, consequently, you land the SK designation but wind up with something thoroughly unsatisfying.

I think the latter part is the bigger issue, to be extra clear.

"Yay, I'm the Arsonist!"

"Man, fuck, I'm the Corruptor?"

Getting the SK should always be enjoyable, otherwise why would anyone want to play it?

This is a completely selfish "I don't want to ever be the Corruptor" post.