Aftercare

[Local Hero]

But Local and Fool? Really annoying. Just shows a lack of interest in winning.

I'm sorry I failed you

 

[Benzine]

I'm sorry I failed you

ahhhh shut up it doesn't matter (@Fool's Requiem), i still luv u

i just like the engagement about the game. it helps winning and is also kinda the point of the game.

 

[Local Hero]

ahhhh shut up it doesn't matter (@Fool's Requiem), i still luv u

i just like the engagement about the game. it helps winning and is also kinda the point of the game.

Hate to pull a @VashTheStampede but I've been super busy at work. Limited time and brain power to think.

Not making excuses necessarily, just explaining.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Hate to pull a @VashTheStampede but I've been super busy at work. Limited time and brain power to think.

Not making excuses necessarily, just explaining.

Being legitimately busy is pulling a @Jon

Being a fuckin liar about being busy is pulling a me

 

[Local Hero]

Being legitimately busy is pulling a @Jon

Being a fuckin liar about being busy is pulling a me

I'd know this is I were a Jon. Unfortunately I'm a local lol

 

[Tommy Boy]

Being a fuckin liar about being busy is pulling a me

I'm reading this in Mario's voice

 

[VashTheStampede]

I'm reading this in Mario's voice

...if only Charles Martinet had a Cameo...

 

[Jawneh]

@Jawneh stop voting for me

No. <3

At least not until I get you once day 1. Blind night 1 kills notwithstanding.

It is a little bit amusing that the meme is turning against you that I can vote you, but you can't vote me. Maybe this means the day is nigh and we can put this to rest.

Day 2 dealings aside for the most part, can't say team instigator hasn't played great. Definitely can see its a sour spot for any folks who realized it before it was too late and see how folks were manipulated. Then again, perfect way to do it.

 

[Tommy Boy]

Look who decided to start playing

 

[Local Hero]

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Look who decided to start playing

And TD reacted with a ""

 

[Tommy Boy]

Guy goes from having a phenomenal game last time to essentially watching how this game plays out lol

I mean, he did his job as the priest successfully, he just doesn't know the background fuckery occurring.

 

[VashTheStampede]

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Look who decided to start playing

 

[Benzine]

Hate to pull a @VashTheStampede but I've been super busy at work. Limited time and brain power to think.

Not making excuses necessarily, just explaining.

Me too, totally fine, I get it, that's me too. That's why I like asking questions to be more sure of what's going on. I absolutely love playing, but with parenting, work, sport, life admin, games, and almost always starting pages of gifs and pointless stuff that I often don't understand, so I'm sure people can appreciate why I might have to play the way I do - except, they don't. They say they do, but they aren't actually considering it.

And it often coincides with then they're villains too - certainly comes up more. Easy.

 

[Benzine]

oh the forums are annoying i didn't see all these other posts

 

[Benzine]

No. <3

At least not until I get you once day 1. Blind night 1 kills notwithstanding.

It is a little bit amusing that the meme is turning against you that I can vote you, but you can't vote me. Maybe this means the day is nigh and we can put this to rest.

Day 2 dealings aside for the most part, can't say team instigator hasn't played great. Definitely can see its a sour spot for any folks who realized it before it was too late and see how folks were manipulated. Then again, perfect way to do it.

can just kill me then

 

[Benzine]

I think all wolf game posts should be made post shower, standing on the floor mat naked. See how you guys like fighting for your life then!

 

[Jon]

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Look who decided to start playing

lol, nothing like figuring it out when it's way to late to do anything about it.

 

[Jon]

I just realized @Tommy Boy that right before linking the instigator, Fools said he doesn't think we have one here...

Then TD even basically tells him with "If we have one the game is as good as over."

Town just couldn't have played worse lol

 

[Kat]

Post in thread 'GWF Zell Wolf Volume XIV - Day 3' https://gwforums.com/threads/gwf-zell-wolf-volume-xiv-day-3.1881/post-110445

Bad news, FR. You actually don't have any allies left.

 

[Raine]

Reading is hard, time is short, I just Ctrl+F'd my name.

Too bad the town NEVER considers why somebody was picked to die. But I also think she wouldn't have actually shot him after his read checked out.

Tiddy would have to do a lot of explaining for me to remotely begin to consider the possibility of buying into the argument for how he saw Red on Tommy with him having Blind/Seer/Sorcerer on Night 0. That is the largest of all possible red flags - uh, not literally, of course, because that flag would be Blue.

I said it in the living thread as a response to Tommy (and that post was 100% about gaining information, and I did, so... mission accomplished outside of the dying part), but I was literally just a Spirit Seer in a game with 2 Blind Wolves. 4/4 checks were Blue, and only 1 of them (shortkut) would've been Red outside of B/S/S shenanigans. RNG will be RNG, absolutely, but coming out of the gate with a Red read is far more of a wolf tactic than a townie one. Especially when that's not the first thing you post.

See also: The time @VashTheStampede cold-cocked me Night 0. ...Not like that. Knocked me out. Yes.

I like all the talk of only TD would pull these aggressive moves as a wolf. The plus side of me almost never being evil is nobody knows how I play it. The downside is I've had this plan for ages and I really think it would've worked if not for TD immediately ruining everything. >=|

Nuh-uh, love. Senpai has definitely noticed your deviousness.

Scenario 1) Most/all wolves have a bogus role claim in place. Typically this would only happen if TD, or someone else that wanted to be pushy - I'll not rule out Kat - bent their arm to do it. So, TD gets shot.

And I'm gonna be honest...

The fact that Kat didn't have me set as her target screams of favoritism. Or, worse, that they think they can manipulate me.

Or that y'all had as much confidence in me killing townies as is appropriate given my propensity for town genocide.

It says your name is @Raine . Are we ready for your questioner now ma'am? Or will we be going through the same thing again? There's no guns here. I imagine the manager is literally the worst thing in existence from all possible standpoints. Or we can always keep at it for all eternity. That would be your personal hell though. I have many other people on my list to deal with beyond minor administrative disputes.

As long as you don't literally shoot (hurr hurr!), uh... shoot!

 

[Jawneh]

can just kill me then

If you genuinely want me to stop, just let me know. Otherwise, I'll keep it going until it dies naturally. I got no issues either way.

 

[Kat]

Or that y'all had as much confidence in me telling townies as is appropriate given my propensity for town genocide.

The real reason is we wanted somebody to berserk and you were the only likely protection target when I picked my target. I wish they would've kept you alive, though!

 

[Jawneh]

As long as you don't literally shoot (hurr hurr!), uh... shoot!

Good to have you on board then. Below are the questions. Ignore the markings from other people. We're short on paper here in the afterlife. That or stationary thieves are around.

Q1: If you could do something different, 20/20 and all, what would that be?

Q2: What is the biggest missplay currently in the land of living? Without spoiling anything using otherworldly information

 

[Tommy Boy]

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[Tommy Boy]

5 deaths on day 1 and there is LESS ENERGY???? MY GUY YOU WANTED TO LET OTHER PEOPLE DECIDE?????

DOTH PROTEST TOO MUCH JHGWESRFUYKJHSGBFUKYSJBEG

 

[Kat]

It's low energy now because he's the only townie left. He just doesn't know it.

 

[Jon]

Ya know.... if they lynch TD the wolves win...

lol

 

[Benzine]

td and kut and whoever it was deserve the win (although I’ve stopped watching now).

 

[Tommy Boy]

td and kut and whoever it was deserve the win (although I’ve stopped watching now).

Yeah they're going to get it. Ben is the third. Who is also (lol) a sheriff.

 

[Benzine]

I'm also sick of getting these roles that require me to guess who's going to get targeted, I've had, and pretended to be, so many. I'd legit rather be a farmer due to role fatigue haha.

 

[Kat]

Ya know.... if they lynch TD the wolves win...

lol

They have to lynch TD and either Ben or kut. But they make up half the town, so there's no chance of that.

 

[Benzine]

and i think i saw a comment that said gwj was outranked too?

 

[Kat]

I'm also sick of getting these roles that require me to guess who's going to get targeted, I've had, and pretended to be, so many. I'd legit rather be a farmer due to role fatigue haha.

Yeah I don't like them either. I don't even like seer roles.

 

[Jon]

They have to lynch TD and either Ben or kut. But they make up half the town, so there's no chance of that.

Lee still counts for the wolves. The wolves outnumber the town right now 3-2 (2-1 even if Kut/Ben don't count). The issue is TD.

But it's still not going to happen, and they deserve to win. But, as I've said, I like the underdog story.

 

[Jon]

I'm also sick of getting these roles that require me to guess who's going to get targeted, I've had, and pretended to be, so many. I'd legit rather be a farmer due to role fatigue haha.

Well, maybe now that I'm out for a bit, you can start getting all my RNG rolls that were giving me wolf repeatedly? lol

 

[Kat]

Lee still counts for the wolves. The wolves outnumber the town right now 3-2 (2-1 even if Kut/Ben don't count). The issue is TD.

But it's still not going to happen, and they deserve to win. But, as I've said, I like the underdog story.

I mean there are six people and half of them are aligned, so they control the lynch.

 

[Benzine]

Yeah I don't like them either. I don't even like seer roles.

i am pretty sure i still haven't been AS or SS yet

reviving roles for sure (that's where all my luck has gone), a protecting turn, and the violinist/sheriff/SA into sheriff/blel ringer etc

 

[Benzine]

Well, maybe now that I'm out for a bit, you can start getting all my RNG rolls that were giving me wolf repeatedly? lol

i mean that's fatigue for sure but i don't think that i'd personally complain about that as much as i am about the one i'm doing now. i like being wolf!

 

[Local Hero]

No. <3

At least not until I get you once day 1.

I would like to openly petition that voting for a player day one for meme sake is only going to make people's (especially Benzine in this case) experience worse.

#hashtag save Benzine

 

[Local Hero]

I'm also sick of getting these roles that require me to guess who's going to get targeted, I've had, and pretended to be, so many. I'd legit rather be a farmer due to role fatigue haha.

I also agree that roles that end up changed to different teams is a bit much

 

[Jon]

I mean there are six people and half of them are aligned, so they control the lynch.

Yeah, I said that as soon as Local was killed.

They have this. Unless Ben or Kut turn on TD there is no way this dosn't end in an instigator win. Just because they earned it doesn't mean I have to like it lol

 

[Benzine]

I would like to openly petition that voting for a player day one for meme sake is only going to make people's (especially Benzine in this case) experience worse.

#hashtag save Benzine

nah it's fine i just wish they were better at it so they could achieve their goals

 

[Raine]

The real reason is we wanted somebody to berserk and you were the only likely protection target when I picked my target. I wish they would've kept you alive, though!

Nooo, I've already been second butthole'd (BY YOU!?!) once already. I don't wanna!

Good to have you on board then. Below are the questions. Ignore the markings from other people. We're short on paper here in the afterlife. That or stationary thieves are around.

Q1: If you could do something different, 20/20 and all, what would that be?

Q2: What is the biggest missplay currently in the land of living? Without spoiling anything using otherworldly information

1) Hmm... given the time I had available, I'm content with how things were done. I do not regret shooting you when Benzine, Kat and shortkut all did false claims against you. You had to die to begin unraveling that. Also, still under the impression the wolves killed Vash because they knew his status as a Strong, and tried to lynch you because the same, and would have done me in Night 1, again, for the exact same reason. I'm still completely against the entire existence of Blind Wolf, pre- and post-buff.

Also this is immediately going on a tangent because it's also been bugging me since the Cupid game: 2/3 Seer-type wolves turn into "Regular Werewolves," whilst the third (Wolf Seer) does not. Which... alright, whatever. But it kind of bugs me? Sorcerer is just, y'know, rancid dogshit by comparison for no other reason than to justify the existence of Werewolf Fan - and only if the wolves waste a night kill picking them up. Also, it super bugs me if "Regular Werewolf" in this context is flavor text and that player still retains priority ranking with wolf killing.

...Anyway I digress.

2) There's a lot. My official answer will be that firing at 10:40 PM and everyone functionally losing ~10 of the 24 hours of the phase was the biggest mistake. That hurts immensely and there's no recovering from it, with or without consideration for who would or would not be available within those hours.

That aside the biggest miscalculation is nobody (besides me, I guess, but that sounds conceited ) really having the capacity to realize what the wolves were doing, with or without Instigator layered on top, until after their death and seeing the spoilers. And then, I guess by extension, continuing to ignore that as a possibility/reality/consideration after my death? As I joke about from time to time, my hidden super power is that I cease to exist the moment you aren't looking at me. Everything I've said, or done, just - whoosh! - gone with the wind. So while I haven't really looked at the living threads outside of where I've been tagged since the end of Day 1, I imagine it's a safe assumption.

TL;DR I would posit trusting Seer claims > trusting player instinct is the biggest misplay.

 

[Jon]

i mean that's fatigue for sure but i don't think that i'd personally complain about that as much as i am about the one i'm doing now. i like being wolf!

I've been a townie twice in all the games I played. A farmer and a red lady that died night 1. Actually, no, I was a strong role once too, Doctor, and missed every time. For me it's not fatigue as much as it is personal. I'm struggling with inner demons about always being a wolf and trying to deceive and I need time to evaluate if this is a game I want to keep playing when it wears on me so.

 

[Benzine]

I would not regret shooting as Raine either, I can easily imagine myself playing really similarly. But it was a good reminder of the... game, haha.

 

[Jon]

I wonder if we couldn't come together and come up with some new roles to inject to help with the fatigue some of you are feeling?

 

[Benzine]

I've been a townie twice in all the games I played. A farmer and a red lady that died night 1. Actually, no, I was a strong role once too, Doctor, and missed every time. For me it's not fatigue as much as it is personal. I'm struggling with inner demons about always being a wolf and trying to deceive and I need time to evaluate if this is a game I want to keep playing when it wears on me so.

if it actually makes you feel bad you shouldn't play, it's just the nature of the game

i love it, i love these types of games. i feel annoyed about the way this game played out and all, but i know for me that's cause i want to win and didn't, and could've played better to maybe push the needle a bit more.

all that does for me is make me keener for the next game to play better. even the people who've "annoyed" me this game, it's already gone. i know it's just cause i care about the game.

and nah i don't think we should change anything. fatigue is part of it too. it's just my body telling me to play those in a different way. RNG is king and that's why i like this format best.

 

[Benzine]

to be a game winner, you have to be a game loser

and is this the game losers forum or what

 

[Tommy Boy]

and is this the game losers forum or what

@Fire Queen

 

[Jon]

if it actually makes you feel bad you shouldn't play, it's just the nature of the game

Not so much as feel bad as it's ALWAYS trying to deceive when I'm a wolf. If we constantly have 16 players, statistical analysis should NOT show me being a wolf 80% of the time. The one time I survived as a townie, I was a Doctor that missed every save. But as a wolf, I'm always trying to dodge people like you, Raine, TD... that are supremely good at reading people. It's not that I feel bad, it's that it takes a real and legitimate physical toll that no one should have to pay. I truly don't think I feel this way if the percentages were flipped and I'm town 80% because I can play more relaxed some.

Hopefully that makes sense.