Zell Wolf The Cemetary

[TD]

That came to me as the Red Lady talk was going on last game too.

Between that game and this one, I'm coming up with a lot more strategies and thoughts I'd do.

 

[TD]

Looks like Raine will be joining us.

 

[Zell 17]

One last thing Raine could try and I didn't even think of this until Fool's opened the door. Fool's told the town that if she was Avenger, and he concussed her, her tag is only good if she picked it before he rocked her.

Why not just say "Oh by the way I have XXXX tagged and can't change it since I'm concussed."? Might sway a vote from a villager who doesnt want to die.

 

[Christina]

We were one Jawneh action away from clinching at night, which should have been our clue to remember the Cupid. Had we killed cole, vash and Christina wouldn’t have the voting block and they would have had to decide which of them got to win. Probably the wolves if there was no path to victory as Cupid couple. Instead we went for Ben who was protected and you know what happened next

I agreed to the Ben kill because the other name was Cole and I as the cupid thing we had to have that vote. If you would have killed Cole I think that would have flipped me to focusing on the wolf victory more because my cupid victory was dead. I even tried to throw Jawneh's name out there but it was quickly shit down.

 

[TD]

True - but knowing these games the town would be like "OHHH. THE WOLF AVENGER EH?"

 

[Zell 17]

True - but knowing these games the town would be like "OHHH. THE WOLF AVENGER EH?"

I probably would too

 

[TD]

I agreed to the Ben kill because the other name was Cole and I as the cupid thing we had to have that vote. If you would have killed Cole I think that would have flipped me to focusing on the wolf victory more because my cupid victory was dead. I even tried to throw Jawneh's name out there but it was quickly shit down.

Dann it we should've killed Cole.
Didn't even need to try to target Vash!?

Jawneh did end up protected iirc.

 

[Zell 17]

Dann it we should've killed Cole.
Didn't even need to try to target Vash!?

Jawneh did end up protected iirc.

Yeah Local protected him literally every single night

 

[TD]

This is what we deserve for not giving Cole his wish and killing him.

 

[Christina]

I really think with the cupid, keeping cupid alive is a big advantage. Having that voting block at the end.

 

[Zell 17]

I really think with the cupid, keeping cupid alive is a big advantage. Having that voting block at the end.

Back when there were online "ranked" games in this format with really good players, people who claimed cupid would get lynched by the village if they didn't immediately have a wolf. Multiple reasons: One, as you said Cupid late game can be powerful. Two, a coupled wolf can easily claim Cupid since they know the real Cupid would never dispute it and lose their couple.

 

[TD]

I really think with the cupid, keeping cupid alive is a big advantage. Having that voting block at the end.

Honestly in the beginning I was like "Cupid role is not a threat", to "Christina is really nice, even if she pulls it off I wouldn't be upset", to "If I was a wolf alive I would've went hard at Vash and left the rest up to fate".

 

[Christina]

I was so ready to jump into being a wolf, but that cupid thing really changed things. Vash was not kidding about my note taking. I had to have lists and number and stuff trying to keep it all organized. The moment the Cupid thing fell through I was going full wolf again. Same with Vash, he was trying to make sure if the cupid failed the town one. That cupid stuff really make it a game of betrayal musical chairs.

 

[TD]

I like what Zell said about lynching Cupid day 1, it's smart.

 

[TD]

I can't believe it hasn't been even half the day phase yet.

 

[TD]

Meanwhile this is post 316 in the cemetery.

 

[TD]

Costume party!

Can I vote skip from beyond the grave?

Raine is a wolf and dead I'm guessing.

 

[Zell 17]

Alright, next game. TD wants a fixed Illusionist. So let's try:

Gunner
Jailer
Priest
Aura Seer
Detective
Sheriff
Medium
3x RRV
Fool
Blind Wolf
Wolf Trickster
2x RW
Illusionist

If the evils gets totally waxed this game maybe I pull Aura Seer and replace it with one more RRV.

 

[TD]

Alright, next game. TD wants a fixed Instigator.

Do you mean Illusionist?

You have an Instigator now.

 

[Zell 17]

Illusionist not instigator

 

[TD]

You can pre-emptively count me in for that one.

 

[TD]

How would Medium work with Illusionist? Is it like trickster where they can't be revived?

 

[Zell 17]

How would Medium work with Illusionist? Is it like trickster where they can't be revived?

Yes

 

[Zell 17]

Could swap medium for ritualist. Ritualist can revive no matter whether the role is masked or not. But they have to pick before the person is killed. And they can revive wolves, too.

 

[shortkut]

Do you mean Illusionist?

You have an Instigator now.

@TD inflate your post count and post the description of the illusionist for me so I don’t have to search for it

 

[Mark]

How would Medium work with Illusionist? Is it like trickster where they can't be revived?

Interestingly enough… there’s an add-on that could be VERY useful for these games.

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[TD]

@TD inflate your post count and post the description of the illusionist for me so I don’t have to search for it

Illusionist
Aura: Unknown
Cannot be killed by the wolves at night. At night, can choose to disguise a player. Any disguised player will appear to be the Illusionist to all seers and will be reported as the Illusionist if they are killed. During the day, at any time, the Illusionist can decide to kill all disguised players. Aura: Unknown

 

[TD]

Could swap medium for ritualist. Ritualist can revive no matter whether the role is masked or not. But they have to pick before the person is killed. And they can revive wolves, too.

Both sound cool. Objectively, which do you feel is more powerful - Medium? Maybe judge based on how the town/wolves do this game?

 

[TD]

Is the skip count anywhere close?

 

[Zell 17]

Medium definitely. Then ritualist and then conjuror. Conjuror is cool and all and it’s the most powerful role in THIS game but nothing compares to being able to bring somebody back.

 

[Zell 17]

Eh not really still missing a couple votes too

Is the skip count anywhere close?

 

[TD]

Medium definitely. Then ritualist and then conjuror. Conjuror is cool and all and it’s the most powerful role in THIS game but nothing compares to being able to bring somebody back.

Yeah that's what I figured. Ritualist seemed like the middle ground to me too.

Does that mean a Ritualist could accidentally ressurect a wolf?

 

[Zell 17]

Yeah that's what I figured. Ritualist seemed like the middle ground to me too.

Does that mean a Ritualist could accidentally ressurect a wolf?

Yes

 

[TD]

I vote Ritualist. Between that, Illusionist, trickster, fool, and random roles - sounds like a chaotic time.

 

[TD]

OH AND A PRIEST AND A GUNNER.

 

[Christina]

Illusionist
Aura: Unknown
Cannot be killed by the wolves at night. At night, can choose to disguise a player. Any disguised player will appear to be the Illusionist to all seers and will be reported as the Illusionist if they are killed. During the day, at any time, the Illusionist can decide to kill all disguised players. Aura: Unknown

The illusionist is close to what I wanted to do with the trickster role. It could also be helping the wolves by giving them disguises. Slows the seer role down. The illusionist is hidden completely from the seer that sees if you killed at night. But that seer could still find the wolves. This is another one that can change the tone of the game kind of like cupid did. It's like it makes the game more like the movie The Thing.

 

[TD]

As soon as I read the description of Illusionist I became obsessed with the inevitable chaos.

 

[Christina]

I think a mix of a couple of different kinds of seers would be good. A red Lady, aura, and spirit maybe?

 

[Christina]

People showing as illusionist trying to get the red lady to visit them to clear their name.

 

[Christina]

As soon as I read the description of Illusionist I became obsessed with the inevitable chaos.

I think I said to Matt if the random killer is the illusionist we are fucked. The moment the illusionist gets pinned down for a lynch they are going to take people with them because they can day kill. Or maybe they are just trying to make it look like that was them. Then they show up again if they managed to get you to think they killed you. Again. Movie The Thing. Dead chat would be fun. I think you need some shooter roles or jailer maybe to really be able to take them down without too much collateral damage.

 

[shortkut]

@Zell 17 so illusionist is the love child of the trickster and the arsonist? (I realized as I was typing that those were roles @Christina and @VashTheStampede has had)

 

[shortkut]

Maybe have multiple RK roles

I think the fool should be a fixed role

 

[Zell 17]

We could just go maximum carnage:

Role list:
3x random strong villagers
7x random regular villagers
1x random nonviolent
4x random wolves
1x random killer

 

[Zell 17]

Maybe have multiple RK roles

I think the fool should be a fixed role

Yeah fool will be next game

 

[shortkut]

We could just go maximum carnage:

Role list:
3x random strong villagers
7x random regular villagers
1x random nonviolent
4x random wolves
1x random killer

And 1 person with no abilities.

 

[Zell 17]

We could just go maximum carnage:

Role list:
3x random strong villagers
7x random regular villagers
1x random nonviolent
4x random wolves
1x random killer

For the record I think the town would get obliterated here. But maybe I’m wrong!

 

[TD]

 

[TD]

I'm in for these insane sounding ones.

 

[TD]

We do still need a quick meta game eventually for @shortkut who basically came online and it was over.

 

[shortkut]

5 fools, 4 headhunters, 3 wolf tricksters, 2 doctors, 1 gunner