Zell Wolf Not Zell Wolf 2 Day 4

[VashTheStampede]

Kat is the only one who hasn't posted yet. Is she silenced?

Couldn't be me, I have a funcussion

 

[Jon]

Kat is the only one who hasn't posted yet. Is she silenced?

Unlikely. Local confirmed in the dead thread he was really rocked. And we know Jump was the Bully, so Vash is likely really rocked too and whether he's librarian or voodoo wouldn't have been able to silence anyone.

 

[Jon]

Yeah but you know 15 minutes after Zell died (BUT AFTER JAWNEH COULD HAVE SEEN HIM) he was like "here is the optimum gameplan for all three sides and it's kind of weird they don't see it" and then I'll go in there and read it and feel like a buffoon.

Yeah, that's not what was happening there in this game bud

 

[Jon]

Plus there is a talk to the dead role in this game and people tend to be more reserved when that's the case.

 

[Ants!]

Couldn't be me, I have a funcussion

Unlikely. Local confirmed in the dead thread he was really rocked. And we know Jump was the Bully, so Vash is likely really rocked too and whether he's librarian or voodoo wouldn't have been able to silence anyone.

Oh yeah.

 

[Jon]

We should have let CG burn 6 people.

 

[VashTheStampede]

We should have let CG burn 6 people.

Sounds like he shouldn't have been so greedy

That or we killed all his targets lol

 

[Ants!]

We should have let CG burn 6 people.

Think of how much information that would have been all at once

Also I wonder how many snarky posts canadaguy has made since I made my first "sacrifice me" post.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

We should have let CG burn 6 people.

the jerkface wouldn't tell us who he had doused.

 

[Jon]

Think of how much information that would have been all at once

Also I wonder how many snarky posts canadaguy has made since I made my first "sacrifice me" post.

There was a consensus to let him burn everyone in the dead thread.

 

[Tommy Boy]

I'm starting to lean on this: kill Quagmire first. He comes back as wolf, it confirms my role a lot more. And then if he just happens to be the shaman wolf, that will make me more willing to thing Alu might be legit (and a spectacular play by shaman-Quagmire last night).

NO. Two things:

1. Shaman fucks with aura. Not TEAMS. Detective check looks at teams.
2. Trickster doesn't take effect until the moment of death, so it also doesn't affect the detective check.

I've repeated both of those things multiple times.

DIMMERWIT CAN NOT BE THE PREACHER IT IS NOT POSSIBLE.

I'm not trying to persist on this but I'm just trying to make sure I understand fully before moving on.

Shaman activates before detective check. Wolf seer/sorcerer activates before detective check. A shaman wolf will make a player appear as a shaman wolf to all seer roles. Nowhere does this dictate that only the aura is impacted and not the team. What do you even mean by that? Detective check looks at teams? Ok. Someone is changed to shaman, detective checks a villager against a shaman'd person - different teams. I don't understand why the shaman role would only impact the aura for the sake of a check. That doesn't make sense.

Trickster cannot be used on another werewolf. It's in the rules, and it would be silly to do that anyway. And he got lynched and the game did not end, so he can't be fool. So that leaves three options for Dimmerwit:

1. He was the original Trickster wolf
2. He was the cupid
3. He was the head hunter

I can get behind this but not without considering what I said above.

 

[Jon]

the jerkface wouldn't tell us who he had doused.

It wouldn't have mattered.

 

[VashTheStampede]

It wouldn't have mattered.

Yeah Jon has a bucket of water

 

[Ants!]

I'm not trying to persist on this but I'm just trying to make sure I understand fully before moving on.

Shaman activates before detective check. Wolf seer/sorcerer activates before detective check. A shaman wolf will make a player appear as a shaman wolf to all seer roles. Nowhere does this dictate that only the aura is impacted and not the team. What do you even mean by that? Detective check looks at teams? Ok. Someone is changed to shaman, detective checks a villager against a shaman'd person - different teams. I don't understand why the shaman role would only impact the aura for the sake of a check. That doesn't make sense.

I can get behind this but not without considering what I said above.

We covered that, buddy. I'm wrong (and stupid).

 

[Jon]

Yeah Jon has a bucket of water

Nah that was shortcut.

But we determined he wasn't Squirtle and water doesn't put out gas.

 

[Jon]

We covered that, buddy. I'm wrong (and stupid).

Or just a noob?

 

[Tommy Boy]

We covered that, buddy. I'm wrong (and stupid).

fuck I started skimming pages because i was falling behind sorry

 

[Jon]

fuck I started skimming pages because i was falling behind sorry

Channeling your inner @shortkut.

 

[Ants!]

It wouldn't have mattered.

I don't agree. I was the first person who suggested he tell us, and I stand by it. If he named enough suspicious people it would have been worth a discussion.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Yeah Jon has a bucket of water

shortkut had the water and even used it on CG, but somehow it doesn't work on the arso

 

[Ants!]

fuck I started skimming pages because i was falling behind sorry

Very understandable.

Vash is probably going to make fun of you though.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

we're all dumdums

 

[Fool's Requiem]

especially me

 

[Ants!]

Yeah but you know 15 minutes after Zell died (BUT AFTER JAWNEH COULD HAVE SEEN HIM)

 

[Tommy Boy]

Pages 2-5 are really convoluted, and it felt like the wolves are starting to panic because someone in their team is compromised. That's why I suggested cutting the bullshit and just claiming roles, listing out every action performed, and comparing it to the spreadsheet. It's a straightforward approach to calling out someone lying. At the very least, we need to be aligned on who we're lynching today, and what the plan is for tomorrow. banana can't go another night without an action.

 

[Jon]

Pages 2-5 are really convoluted, and it felt like the wolves are starting to panic because someone in their team is compromised. That's why I suggested cutting the bullshit and just claiming roles, listing out every action performed, and comparing it to the spreadsheet. It's a straightforward approach to calling out someone lying. At the very least, we need to be aligned on who we're lynching today, and what the plan is for tomorrow. banana can't go another night without an action.

I'm the Avenger.

You can call my Captain America.

Or don't. Because that's weird.

 

[VashTheStampede]

banana can't go another night without an action.

Oh what's another 2-3 nights?

 

[Jon]

So... I want @Al hominem to give me his complete synoptic breakdown of the game's standing.

I said it day one that the longer he's alive the worse it is for whatever team he isn't on. So... please tell me your feels good sir.

 

[A Punched Face]

@Jon as the only 100% confirmed town...what plan you want?

@Tommy Boy you're like 99% confirmed good with 1% just in case of Cupid shenanigans. You could also list out a decent option.

 

[Jon]

Oh what's another 2-3 nights?

Because there's other fish to fry, I'm fine giving her tonight. But she's the target if stuff doesn't happen tonight.

 

[Jon]

@Jon as the only 100% confirmed town...what plan you want?

Yeah, it feels weird being the one people are going to look to at this point. I'm not sure I like iit lol

 

[Ants!]

Pages 2-5 are really convoluted, and it felt like the wolves are starting to panic because someone in their team is compromised. That's why I suggested cutting the bullshit and just claiming roles, listing out every action performed, and comparing it to the spreadsheet. It's a straightforward approach to calling out someone lying. At the very least, we need to be aligned on who we're lynching today, and what the plan is for tomorrow. banana can't go another night without an action.

I picked Alu at first just by a die roll between him and Quagmire, but Alu has been very militant that there is either a shaman or I'm lying. So I'm offering to kill Quagmire first because if he comes back as shaman, then that gives Alu a little bit of credibility. Alu seems completely fine with killing Quagmire.

I also volunteered to be lynched in order to prove my role and potentially damn them both, but only if I can't get one of them lynched.

Kelly argues in favor of killing banana because she still hasn't used a kill potion. However banana could be fool or Kelly could be head hunter with banana as his target, that's why I suggest Kelly use his redirect on banana if he's legit.

Jon is strongly in favor of lynching me, because he feels that will give the town more information than any other option.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I'm the Avenger.

You can call my Captain America.

Or don't. Because that's weird.

 

[A Punched Face]

So... I want @Al hominem to give me his complete synoptic breakdown of the game's standing.

I said it day one that the longer he's alive the worse it is for whatever team he isn't on. So... please tell me your feels good sir.

My feels are that a lot of convenient information started coming out yesterday after the arsonist was confirmed and it was getting closer to a wolf win. Ants suddenly hits two days in a row and FR hits on vash.

Obviously the arso took top priority. But that was also just listing out a path forward to take up days. If we follow ants and lynch Quagmire, of Quagmire is town then it's "oops gotta be shaman" and then "how likely is it that it was 2 in a row?" And come after the next person on his list right then and there, to delay it long enough for a wolf win.


Either that or he's legit and nailed Quagmire and then got unlucky with the Shaman on me. Or he got extremely unlucky and hit the shaman twice in a row.

 

[Ants!]

@Jon as the only 100% confirmed town...what plan you want?

@Tommy Boy you're like 99% confirmed good with 1% just in case of Cupid shenanigans. You could also list out a decent option.

Because there's other fish to fry, I'm fine giving her tonight. But she's the target if stuff doesn't happen tonight.

I'm fine with following Jon and Tommy's lead (even if it means lynching me, if that's the plan I'll even vote for myself).

I'm also fine with banana being the target tomorrow because she'll be out of excuses by then, even though I'd rather go with the other surviving confirmed wolf when either I or the other wolf I saw dies.

 

[Ants!]

My feels are that a lot of convenient information started coming out yesterday after the arsonist was confirmed and it was getting closer to a wolf win. Ants suddenly hits two days in a row and FR hits on vash.

Obviously the arso took top priority. But that was also just listing out a path forward to take up days. If we follow ants and lynch Quagmire, of Quagmire is town then it's "oops gotta be shaman" and then "how likely is it that it was 2 in a row?" And come after the next person on his list right then and there, to delay it long enough for a wolf win.


Either that or he's legit and nailed Quagmire and then got unlucky with the Shaman on me. Or he got extremely unlucky and hit the shaman twice in a row.

True, but if I die and benzine confirms me as aura seer that won't stop the shaman argument.

 

[Jon]

Fwiw @Ants! I'm fine with Flagger redirect, but the issue is the wolves would have to target who he has flagged. It doesn't work on lynches. So there is NO way to prove Kelly's role.

 

[Tommy Boy]

I'm fine with following Jon and Tommy's lead (even if it means lynching me, if that's the plan I'll even vote for myself).

I'm also fine with banana being the target tomorrow because she'll be out of excuses by then, even though I'd rather go with the other surviving confirmed wolf when either I or the other wolf I saw dies.

I don't think the best way forward is lynching a townie to prove they're a townie twice in one game. We were already risking it with Jon, I think it's a bad call to do that with you. You can keep providing info - I believe your claims and they corroborate in a way that makes sense.

 

[Jon]

I don't think the best way forward is lynching a townie to prove they're a townie twice in one game. We were already risking it with Jon, I think it's a bad call to do that with you. You can keep providing info - I believe your claims and they corroborate in a way that makes sense.

So who do you recommend then? Because as I see it, we have no confirmed wolves.

 

[Smacktard]

Kelly argues in favor of killing banana because she still hasn't used a kill potion. However banana could be fool or Kelly could be head hunter with banana as his target, that's why I suggest Kelly use his redirect on banana if he's legit.

If Banana wasn't the fool, I don't think she would try so hard to not get lynched Day 1 and then make excuses every night afterwards. This talking point is bogus, and I still believe it's quite likely you are coupled with her. Putting the onus of the killing redirect on me is a tall order consider I've already taken out one wolf.

I'm not head hunter. I've given a reasonable explanation why the wolves wouldn't target Local. He was rock'd, town was sus, he had an unprovable role except on death, and he was Loudmouth. It's the quadrifecta of bad wolf kills. I redirected the kill. End of.

I think Ants may be town, but with how much he's going to bat for Banana, I really believe the two are coupled. To that end, I'm willing to call Ants' bluff and vote him out to:
1. Confirm his reads
2. Potentially get rid of a Cupid link

But if Ants ISN'T coupled and the town gives Banana another pass tonight when the witch potions aren't used YET AGAIN, y'all can eat a bag of dicks cause im fuckin lynching myself

 

[VashTheStampede]

If Banana wasn't the fool, I don't think she would try so hard to not get lynched Day 1 and then make excuses every night afterwards. This talking point is bogus, and I still believe it's quite likely you are coupled with her. Putting the onus of the killing redirect on me is a tall order consider I've already taken out one wolf.

I'm not head hunter. I've given a reasonable explanation why the wolves wouldn't target Local. He was rock'd, town was sus, he had an unprovable role except on death, and he was Loudmouth. It's the quadrifecta of bad wolf kills. I redirected the kill. End of.

I think Ants may be town, but with how much he's going to bat for Banana, I really believe the two are coupled. To that end, I'm willing to call Ants' bluff and vote him out to:
1. Confirm his reads
2. Potentially get rid of a Cupid link

But if Ants ISN'T coupled and the town gives Banana another pass tonight when the witch potions aren't used YET AGAIN, y'all can eat a bag of dicks cause im fuckin lynching myself

I almost hate to admit it but this is the most sense anyone has made all game

 

[Jon]

Putting the onus of the killing redirect on me is a tall order consider I've already taken out one wolf.

Who did you take out? There's only been one confirmed wolf and I took him out. The other was lynched day one...

 

[Smacktard]

Who did you take out? There's only been one confirmed wolf and I took him out. The other was lynched day one...

Sorry, you're right. Bad phrasing. I meant to say I botched a wolf kill. I ended up taking out a townie, but that townie outed the SK, so I call that a kill by proxy

 

[Ants!]

Fwiw @Ants! I'm fine with Flagger redirect, but the issue is the wolves would have to target who he has flagged. It doesn't work on lynches. So there is NO way to prove Kelly's role.

True. He would have to be on point with predicting the wolves target.

I don't think the best way forward is lynching a townie to prove they're a townie twice in one game. We were already risking it with Jon, I think it's a bad call to do that with you. You can keep providing info - I believe your claims and they corroborate in a way that makes sense.

In that case my preference is Quagmire, though barely above Alu.

If Banana wasn't the fool, I don't think she would try so hard to not get lynched Day 1 and then make excuses every night afterwards. This talking point is bogus, and I still believe it's quite likely you are coupled with her. Putting the onus of the killing redirect on me is a tall order consider I've already taken out one wolf.

I'm not head hunter. I've given a reasonable explanation why the wolves wouldn't target Local. He was rock'd, town was sus, he had an unprovable role except on death, and he was Loudmouth. It's the quadrifecta of bad wolf kills. I redirected the kill. End of.

I think Ants may be town, but with how much he's going to bat for Banana, I really believe the two are coupled. To that end, I'm willing to call Ants' bluff and vote him out to:
1. Confirm his reads
2. Potentially get rid of a Cupid link

But if Ants ISN'T coupled and the town gives Banana another pass tonight when the witch potions aren't used YET AGAIN, y'all can eat a bag of dicks cause im fuckin lynching myself

I've said multiple times that banana is corrupt and I just said I do not think she is innocent. It's wildly different to say she might be fool (which is a legit concern) and we should try KILLING HER a different way, and saying I'm just defending her. I'm not even one of the people saying "give her one more night", I'm hoping for you taking her out tonight. I'm tired of you making me out to be her white knight. It's bull shit. Drop this line already.

 

[Kat]

Kat is the only one who hasn't posted yet. Is she silenced?

No, I'm on the west coast and don't like to get up early. I'm catching up then will post

 

[Smacktard]

I've said multiple times that banana is corrupt and I just said I do not think she is innocent. It's wildly different to say she might be fool (which is a legit concern) and we should try KILLING HER a different way, and saying I'm just defending her. I'm not even one of the people saying "give her one more night", I'm hoping for you taking her out tonight. I'm tired of you making me out to be her white knight. It's bull shit. Drop this line already.

If you are Cupid'd with her, and the Cupid is still alive, and she's a wolf, you guys pretty much control the village tomorrow if everything goes right for you. So you saying "she might be fool" to avoid getting her lynched for one more day really DOES feel like sticking up for her when nothing she's done so far feels like a fool move, but rather a wolf trying to stay afloat, or a compromised witch trying to hold on to their killing potion.

 

[Jon]

Probably should not lynch anyone you consider possibly being the fool.

Just a thought.

 

[Ants!]

Fuck it. There are two people campaigning hard against me (though one is confirmed good and the other is just being silly) and currently four votes on me.

I'll switch and be the 5th vote (on myself).

I'm tired of arguing. I'll laugh with cananaguy and be ready with the I-told-you-so's at the games end.

LET'S FUCKING DO THIS THING.

 

[Jon]

Fuck it. There are two people campaigning hard against me (though one is confirmed good and the other is just being silly) and currently four votes on me.

I'll switch and be the 5th vote (on myself).

I'm tired of arguing. I'll laugh with cananaguy and be ready with the I-told-you-so's at the games end.

LET'S FUCKING DO THIS THING.

Ftr, I am not campaigning against you and I can be changed to a different vote when I see a compelling enough argument.

That said, votes for yourself do not count per the rules.

 

[Ants!]

nothing she's done so far feels like a fool move

You've got to be joking.

I feel like I'm on the debate stage against Trump.