Zell Wolf Not Zell Wolf 2 Day 4

[Banana]

in one way its kind of flattering that people think im some brilliant liar so thank you for that.

the reality is ive been unlucky, have asked a bunch of questions in here (dont always get answers) and to benzine who keeps stressing the importance of the dictionary.

but dont worry ill do my thing for us tonight just please have the day 1 attitude and dont be mad if i kill a town member.

 

[VashTheStampede]

TOMMY please help more ghosts are escaping the realm of the dead!

When there's no more room in Hell, the dead will walk the earth.

 

[Ants!]

in one way its kind of flattering that people think im some brilliant liar so thank you for that.

the reality is ive been unlucky, have asked a bunch of questions in here (dont always get answers) and to benzine who keeps stressing the importance of the dictionary.

but dont worry ill do my thing for us tonight just please have the day 1 attitude and dont be mad if i kill a town member.

If you survive today's lynching and if you really are who you say you are, kill whichever one of the two wolves I named that are still alive.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

@Fool's Requiem remind me what your read yesterday was?

I confirmed that you were on the same team as Tommy. Redundant information if Ants' Aura reads are to be believed (which I do). I had forgotten that he already seered you.

I basically have no defense this day phase.

 

[Jon]

in one way its kind of flattering that people think im some brilliant liar so thank you for that.

the reality is ive been unlucky, have asked a bunch of questions in here (dont always get answers) and to benzine who keeps stressing the importance of the dictionary.

but dont worry ill do my thing for us tonight just please have the day 1 attitude and dont be mad if i kill a town member.

If you do survive the day phase, it's likely one of Quagmire/Alu/Ants is going to be the lynch target.

Depending on the role reveal, it's likely you'll want to target one of the other two (either Ants if his role is more confirmed or Alu if it isn't). Vash is also a perfectly acceptable choice since he's likely/possibly the Voodoo wolf and not the Librarian.

You can feel free to protect anyone you think the wolves will target.

 

[Kat]

I confirmed that you were on the same team as Tommy. Redundant information if Ants' Aura reads are to be believed (which I do). I had forgotten that he already seered you.

I basically have no defense this day phase.

No I mean the night before. Or could you not use it yet?

 

[Fool's Requiem]

No I mean the night before. Or could you not use it yet?

Tommy and Vash are on different teams.

 

[Smacktard]

You've got to be joking.

I feel like I'm on the debate stage against Trump.

If she was a fool she wouldn't have a conceivable explanation for everything and wouldn't get so angry when I suggested she was lying Day 2.

 

[A Punched Face]

Killing Quagmire or Alu confirms me.

I can 100% tell you that lynching me will not confirm you. It will either confirm you're a wolf trying to set me up or that there's a shaman around. My aura is not evil.

 

[Ants!]

I can 100% tell you that lynching me will not confirm you. It will either confirm you're a wolf trying to set me up or that there's a shaman around. My aura is not evil.

So far I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but only so long as there is another wolf target out there that we could focus on instead.

To your credit though, you've been onboard with lynching Quagmire and haven't attempted to steer the ship any other way despite having ample opportunities to do so (accusations are flying everywhere).

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Note:

5. Nightmare Wolf
Aura: Evil
Can cause one player to fall asleep during the night, thus being unable to use any abilities. Up to two uses per game. During the day, must notify by PM the player to fall asleep for the subsequent night. If the medium is nightmared, they will lose access to the dead forum for one night/day cycle. Nightmared players can still vote to skip.

I'd like to point out that there is no indication that the Nightmare Wolf is under to use their ability in back-to-back nights. So, why did Banana only get Nightmared on separate days instead of back to back nights to avoid killing someone? Why did she go after Christina when she was in a serious argument with Kelly?

Too convenient. Still not willing to vote her because there's too much risk of a Fool, and in the event she actually is the Witch, she will still be able to use her ability before the Wolves get her.

 

[Jon]

I'd like to point out that there is no indication that the Nightmare Wolf is under to use their ability in back-to-back nights. So, why did Banana only get Nightmared on separate days instead of back to back nights to avoid killing someone? Why did she go after Christina when she was in a serious argument with Kelly?

She explained her reasoning.

And it was sound. Hard to believe any of us could take a breath and act like an adult, I know.

 

[Kat]

@Al hominem @VashTheStampede @Smacktard @Jon

Are you voting Ants because you think he's evil?

 

[Kat]

She explained her reasoning.

And it was sound. Hard to believe any of us could take a breath and act like an adult, I know.

Did she? She said she picked an unpredictable target to avoid being nightmared again, which makes no sense.

 

[Jon]

Also, she had said that she was going to target local, but he was rocked so she decided to leave him to the bully. Then switched to Kelly for the argument, but held back. Then went for Christina because she felt she was acting sus. Who Christina misfired and suicided into the bully.

 

[Jon]

@Al hominem @VashTheStampede @Smacktard @Jon

Are you voting Ants because you think he's evil?

I think, like pretty much everyone else, he's a 50/50.

I lean closer to him being legit at this point. But if we lynch Quagmire and he's anything BUT the shaman, it leaves us with more questions than answers.

 

[Smacktard]

Do you all agree that the wolves would know if Banana were a fool?

Ants and FR seem to be pushing this line very hard. They're the only ones. Anyone could be fool -- especially with the prospect of a shaman wolf being repeatedly brought up. And yet Ants is the only one who repeatedly references Banana as a Fool (with FR occasionally, to a lesser extent)

Are you all voting Ants because you think he's evil? We cannot afford to lynch a townie today.

I think he was bluffing about sacrificing himself, and now that votes are on him he's predictably panicking. Yes I think he's either evil or he's coupled with someone who's evil. And if he's NOT even, we likely have two guaranteed wolf kills for tomorrow and the next day.

 

[Kat]

I think, like pretty much everyone else, he's a 50/50.

I lean closer to him being legit at this point. But if we lynch Quagmire and he's anything BUT the shaman, it leaves us with more questions than answers.

If there are four wolves left and Ants is town, it won't matter what information we have. We'll lose. Same if there's an alpha, guardian, etc. It's too late in the game to kill townies for info.

Who do you most think is evil?

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Again, none of this will matter if she kills anyone tonight.

It's really hard to get a solid read on someone we have no previous experience with.

IMO, voting Banana today would be irresponsible.

 

[A Punched Face]

@Al hominem @VashTheStampede @Smacktard @Jon

Are you voting Ants because you think he's evil?

Not entirely, no. I voted for him (the first one up there) because he gave me an evil read and that's not my aura. If there's a good consensus on someone else I've been willing to switch. That Jon (who is the only guaranteed good that's also not potentially coupled, though the likelihood of a couple seems low) is arguing to go with Ants as a potential best option is making me stay there for now. Not sure who else's lead to follow since everyone has their own level of sus at this point.

 

[Ants!]

This is going off the assumptions that dimmerwit is the original trickster and wasn't a solo that got shamaned, and that Alu wasn't shamaned either (sorry), as both of those have long odds.

That means 3 wolves left. I've named two of them. Either Vash or FR make up the third, except in one possible scenario. So I think it's one of these things:

A: Vash is Voodoo, FR is legit, and either banana is fool or Kelly is head hunter
B: Vash is librarian, FR is head hunter, and banana is the third wolf
C: Vash is librarian, FR is the third wolf, and banana or Kelly are the solo

So I'm in favor of Lynching Quagmire, Alu, myself, and then probably FR because of the possibility of Vash being a head hunter target (okay to be targeted by flagger though). Banana also acceptable as a flagger target. If FR gets his turn and is revealed as seer-apprentice-turned-detective, then kill Vash and win the game.

 

[Jon]

I think there is a good chance Quagmire is evil, which is why I'm willing to vote for him. But if he shows as anything but the shaman, it still calls into question Alu, who is claiming BH.

Honestly, the ONLY person who has not role claimed is Kat. I cannot fathomably understand why at this point. And why we aren't calling her more into suspect over it. She could be the WW Fan for all we know because she'd show as village team to a seer. I dunno...

Overthinking as usual.

 

[Ants!]

Not entirely, no. I voted for him (the first one up there) because he gave me an evil read and that's not my aura. If there's a good consensus on someone else I've been willing to switch. That Jon (who is the only guaranteed good that's also not potentially coupled, though the likelihood of a couple seems low) is arguing to go with Ants as a potential best option is making me stay there for now. Not sure who else's lead to follow since everyone has their own level of sus at this point.

I support it as a potential alternative, and if I go to the noose I'll be eating popcorn with the dead

 

[Fool's Requiem]

@Banana, if you're witch, kill me tonight.

 

[Jon]

Who do you most think is evil?

All of you except Tommy. lol

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I'm 100% serious

 

[A Punched Face]

Votes for the whole town

 

[A Punched Face]

er..

Minus Jon and Tommy?

 

[Smacktard]

Kat is one of the only people who's clearly talking sense and she has two seers who've confirmed her as town. At least one of them has got to be telling the truth. I don't think she needs to role claim, and I wouldn't expect her to.

 

[Ants!]

I think there is a good chance Quagmire is evil, which is why I'm willing to vote for him. But if he shows as anything but the shaman, it still calls into question Alu, who is claiming BH.

Honestly, the ONLY person who has not role claimed is Kat. I cannot fathomably understand why at this point. And why we aren't calling her more into suspect over it. She could be the WW Fan for all we know because she'd show as village team to a seer. I dunno...

Overthinking as usual.

Quagmire is definitely still Plan A.

As for Kat, I'm not sure what she has to gain by continuing to hold her cards close to her chest. Is there a townie role that could be rendered ineffective if made public? Or is she one of the wolf roles with Good aura?

That last one I doubt because it would mean FR is lying, which would make both of them wolf which would mean the unlikely scenario of shaman on Alu or dimmerwit.

 

[Smacktard]

@Kat I don't want to push you to role claim, but if you're the right role, I think we could do something that pretty much guarantees a win for the town.

 

[A Punched Face]

Kat is one of the only people who's clearly talking sense and she has two seers who've confirmed her as town. At least one of them has got to be telling the truth. I don't think she needs to role claim, and I wouldn't expect her to.

This is true. Two people separately (and days apart) claimed she's good. If they're working together that would be basically all the wolves right there (I hope).

 

[Ants!]

Kat is one of the only people who's clearly talking sense and she has two seers who've confirmed her as town. At least one of them has got to be telling the truth. I don't think she needs to role claim, and I wouldn't expect her to.

This is a fair point. Don't know what her reasons are for not claiming at this point, but I don't feel like she has to either.

 

[Jon]

Kat is one of the only people who's clearly talking sense and she has two seers who've confirmed her as town. At least one of them has got to be telling the truth. I don't think she needs to role claim, and I wouldn't expect her to.

How so?

Ants is not confirmed, which calls his seer claim of her being good into question.

FR is claiming detective NOW and she could STILL be the WW Fan. The detective would see her as WW team and thus, opposite of Tommy.

Kat is NOT exonerated and even if say FR is legit, Kat could STILL be against the village.

So no, she has no reason to hide role imo.

 

[Jon]

How so?

Ants is not confirmed, which calls his seer claim of her being good into question.

FR is claiming detective NOW and she could STILL be the WW Fan. The detective would see her as WW team and thus, opposite of Tommy.

Kat is NOT exonerated and even if say FR is legit, Kat could STILL be against the village.

So no, she has no reason to hide role imo.

Also, Kat being WW Fan would make BOTH their claims right and STILL she'd be against the town.

So again.... I disagree

 

[Ants!]

Is wrestler a legit role? I thought that was a running joke. Back to the dictionary I go.

 

[Smacktard]

So no, she has no reason to hide role imo.

She does, you just haven't figured it out yet.

 

[Ants!]

....I missed the "fan" part. Caught it after I checked the dictionary.

 

[Jon]

She does, you just haven't figured it out yet.

That's fine if I haven't, but it's not going to remove my sus of her. And holding out info this late in a game where we have so little does NOT help.

 

[Kat]

I'm not claiming because it's fun to go "nah." We have enough real suspects that I'm not worried about anybody coming after me.

 

[Ants!]

Someone said WWF or WW Fan earlier in the game and for some reason my brain said WWF Fan and has been running with it ever since whenever I see that abbreviation.

 

[Smacktard]

And holding out info this late in a game where we have so little does NOT help.

It genuinely could though. And anyone could lie about any role, so I understand why she would want to keep cards close to her chest. I'll have to see what she says to me about my suggestion

 

[Smacktard]

I'm not claiming because it's fun to go "nah." We have enough real suspects that I'm not worried about anybody coming after me.

Boo bad answer

 

[Jon]

Someone said WWF or WW Fan earlier in the game and for some reason my brain said WWF Fan and has been running with it ever since whenever I see that abbreviation.

I've been using that abbreviation. But no one had been considering that role and it fits a lot of holes right now.

 

[Kat]

Lol really guys? The fan? Fans count for the town before they are turned, so that's still no reason to go after me.

@Kat I don't want to push you to role claim, but if you're the right role, I think we could do something that pretty much guarantees a win for the town.

I'm not sure what you're thinking, but I don't see how my role could be the right one for it.

 

[Jon]

It genuinely could though. And anyone could lie about any role, so I understand why she would want to keep cards close to her chest. I'll have to see what she says to me about my suggestion

And yet everyone else is expected to role claim or be lynched for being sus immediately.

That response does NOT help me feel more confident in her being good.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I'd like to point out that I've gone games without claiming a role because I had an unprovable role that can't get information.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Wolf Avenger BTW

 

[Smacktard]

I'm not sure what you're thinking, but I don't see how my role could be the right one for it.

And yet everyone else is expected to role claim or be lynched for being sus immediately.

That response does NOT help me feel more confident in her being good.

because two separate seers cleared her. we're going to vote off one of those seers today. if the seer comes back town, then we know their read could be trusted. if she's werewolf fan, wolves will have to waste a "kill" on turning her anyway, so no kills tonight, and town is still in a good spot, because we can trust that seer's evil reads too.

anyone can like about an unprovable role, and admitting she's a doctor or something does NOT help the town -- unless she covers someone who can also cover HER.

HINT HINT HINT

 

[Jon]

Whatever... I wash my hands of this situation.

I'm switching to Quagmire and skip.