Zell Wolf Not Zell Wolf 2 Day 4

[Smacktard]

Probably, but he does have a role to fill, and if he didnt revive someone it would be, dare I say, Sus....

He could claim Ritualist and claim his spell keeps failing.

AT THIS POINT... my belief is that Vash, Ants and Banana are the other 3 wolves (with the understanding dimmerwit was the 5th wolf). Making FR the headhunter.

Would make sense, and suggest why Ants is suddenly so hesitant to vote for Vash despite confirming him as evil yesterday? Seems like the wolves finally figured out the SV.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

 

[Fool's Requiem]

He could claim Ritualist and claim his spell keeps failing.

No one can claim Ritualist. Tommy is confirmed.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Would make sense, and suggest why Ants is suddenly so hesitant to vote for Vash despite confirming him as evil yesterday?

we just making shit up now?

 

[A Punched Face]

Ants said quagmire was evil. FR is the "let's kill vash" man

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Would make sense, and suggest why Ants is suddenly so hesitant to vote for Vash despite confirming him as evil yesterday? Seems like the wolves finally figured out the SV.

I'm the one who confirmed Vash as bad. Tommy=Good therefore Vash is the Voodoo Wolf.

 

[VashTheStampede]

He could claim Ritualist and claim his spell keeps failing.

It would take an absolute moron for a Cupid'd Ritualist to revive a townie as part of a plan to win as lovers

Wait shit I tried that

By reviving Tommy

 

[Smacktard]

No one can claim Ritualist. Tommy is confirmed.

Tommy could claim Ritualist if he were Cupid'd and didn't want the game too strong in town's favor, is what I'm saying

we just making shit up now?

Sorry, didn't mean to steal your gimmick.

Ants said quagmire was evil. FR is the "let's kill vash" man

I'm the one who confirmed Vash as bad. Tommy=Good therefore Vash is the Voodoo Wolf.

My b, I was mistaken

 

[VashTheStampede]

Sorry, didn't mean to steal your gimmick.

My bad, just don't want Kat popping in here and skipping 4 pages of chat and thinking you're on to something here.

 

[Jon]

No one can claim Ritualist. Tommy is confirmed.

But what about Jawneh!?

 

[VashTheStampede]

But what about Jawneh!?

 

[A Punched Face]

I needed to laugh to that today because I wasn't allowed to yesterday

 

[Jon]

Hey @VashTheStampede... Have you ever heard this song? I think you'd like it.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Something to consider if you havent already:

if There is a cupid, the lovers are going to need to make sure the numbers drop at a relatively even level

So offing townies as a means to "get information" could be a lover ploy

I don't think there's a Cupid, but lord knows I've been wrong a lot

 

[VashTheStampede]

Hey @VashTheStampede... Have you ever heard this song? I think you'd like it.

Yes but only because it was my very first e-fed music and not for any mean connotations you expect me to infer

 

[A Punched Face]

People haven't switched off me yet so I'm sitting on voting for ants until they do (as promised)

 

[Jon]

So offing townies as a means to "get information" could be a lover ploy

This is my current stance and you know I'm not Cupid'd. I think Ants MIGHT be the smartest lynch. Either he's town and his reads are given validity or he's a wolf and his reads are negated.

 

[Tommy Boy]

Confirmed good guys: Jon and Tommy
Kinda-confirmed good guys: Ants and Kat
Kinda-confirmed bad guys: Quagmire and Alu
Conflict: Vash or Fool is lying
Suspect: banana
Don't know yet but probably good: Kelly

I can get behind this.

Nightmare wolf only has two uses though and that was night 3.

Yeah I think this is worth mentioning. (WOLF INFORMATION - COULD BE FALSE) They have some type of wolf seer, Jawneh mentioned they knew about the warden which is why that was their first kill. (END OF WOLF INFORMATION) It's possible they used their nightmare on night 1 and 2, but why would they blindly? They would have to know their target instead of risking wasting it on a farmer or something. Maybe FR actually is a sorcerer and is feeding them reads. He would show up good.

FR, Alu, and Quagmire are on my short list. FR for checking me against Kat (that was a very bad read on info we already had, I don't think you're detective), Alu for coming back evil, and Quagmire because my spreadsheet is out of spaces. There's still a chance Vash is Voodoo and I will DDoS this website if that turns out to be true.

However, I'm still not sold on banana getting nightmare'd again. Maybe we were too vocal about our plans, but it seems almost too good to be true.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

People haven't switched off me yet so I'm sitting on voting for ants until they do (as promised)

why no vote vash?

 

[VashTheStampede]

This is my current stance and you know I'm not Cupid'd. I think Ants MIGHT be the smartest lynch. Either he's town and his reads are given validity or he's a wolf and his reads are negated.

Yeah I know you're clean. Still a bad move in my book

 

[Fool's Requiem]

that was a very bad read on info we already had, I don't think you're detective

this is the second time someone mentioned this without explaining how "we already had info" on Kat...

 

[Jon]

Yeah I know you're clean. Still a bad move in my book

I don't disagree. The issue is, we're short on info and the group is split. I would rather err on the side of caution.

 

[Jon]

this is the second time someone mentioned this without explaining how "we already had info" on Kat...

Ants checked Kat's Aura night 1 and came back blue.

It's questionable intel, but intel nonetheless. Tommy was also fairly convincingly the Ritualist. So we knew him too.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I don't disagree. The issue is, we're short on info and the group is split. I would rather err on the side of caution.

It's funny because we 100% agree but disagree on what caution looks like.

C'est la vie

 

[Tommy Boy]

this is the second time someone mentioned this without explaining how "we already had info" on Kat...

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[A Punched Face]

why no vote vash?

Because I said I'd vote ants if it got people off me, even if it isn't the best overall play.

Got plenty of time today to change it but I'm at least sticking to my guns early here.

 

[Jon]

It's funny because we 100% agree but disagree on what caution looks like.

C'est la vie

You're a good target too because we either hit a wolf, silencer or both. But FR pushing you and the chance that he's a headhunter is worrisome. It would confirm you as town though.

Alu I've been sus on since day 1, but he's being pushed by the three people I suspect are wolves.

Banana is a good option because she's missed 4 nights in a row. But giving her one more night and lynching her tomorrow if there's another fail seems logical.

FR is an option, but would provide no new info on death. Same for Quagmire. Same for Kat because she's not claimed anything I recall.

Ants is someone who ISN'T being pushed and has had an aura seer claim since night one that can confirm or deny multiple reads.

Am I missing anyone other than me and tommy that we are both confirmed village?

 

[Quagmire]

Am I missing anyone other than me and tommy that we are both confirmed village?

Didnt Kelly have a confirmed Flagger role? Though looking it up, we dont know if it worked, its just his word, right?

 

[Ants!]

Oh, and one other thing...

ANYONE pushing hard for a lynch of a specific person is completely suspect (except for me and Tommy who are confirmed town).

Good thing I'm suggesting three people for lynch (Quagmire, Alu, or myself) rather than one specific person.

There IS one person gunning hard for one other specific person though, so if we think headhunter then that's the person where I'll stack my chips.

AT THIS POINT... my belief is that Vash, Ants and Banana are the other 3 wolves (with the understanding dimmerwit was the 5th wolf). Making FR the headhunter.

The OTHER option, if Ants is actually a wolf, is that Kat is the 5th wolf, and dimmerwit was the headhunter.

Since I sacrificed myself once to prove myself, let's not do that again. Mmmkay?

Like I said, I'm fine with getting killed to take down two wolves with me. Would rather be confirmed by lynching one of the two I already saw as evil though, that way I can get another read tonight because there is still one more wolf to find.

People haven't switched off me yet so I'm sitting on voting for ants until they do (as promised)

If we can vote you off then I'm sticking with you. If you somehow charm your way out of it though, then yeah switch to me and we can be done with this malarkey. lol

 

[Jon]

Didnt Kelly have a confirmed Flagger role? Though looking it up, we dont know if it worked, its just his word, right?

Confirmed, no, but he claimed it and claimed he redirected the wolf kill to Local. Which I could buy because of who I suspect the wolves to be.

 

[Tommy Boy]

OK how about this? Time to hard role claim. We're here, day 4. No reason to hide behind your role now. Role claim and list out every single action you've performed up to this point. If it doesn't fit on this list, we know something is wrong with your story.

 

[VashTheStampede]

...

This whole fucking time I've been operating under the concept that Smacktard was confirmed as Flagger

Just went back and checked and no he wasn't.

Ughhhhhhhh

 

[Tommy Boy]

Because right now there are no more village spaces, but dimmerwit and banana could be wolves or SNV.

 

[Ants!]

You're a good target too because we either hit a wolf, silencer or both. But FR pushing you and the chance that he's a headhunter is worrisome. It would confirm you as town though.

...Forgot about FR gunning for Vash.

Okay so if there's a head hunter then it could be FR taking out Vash, or Kelly taking out banana. There's also a chance Kelly is legit but falling for banana being the fool.

 

[A Punched Face]

Because right now there are no more village spaces, but dimmerwit and banana could be wolves or SNV.

BH targeting myself.

I think Quagmire claimed farmer

 

[VashTheStampede]

BH targeting myself.

I think Quagmire claimed farmer

Of course it's Beast Hunter and Farmer

No Bell Ringer while we're at it?

 

[Ants!]

...

This whole fucking time I've been operating under the concept that Smacktard was confirmed as Flagger

Just went back and checked and no he wasn't.

Ughhhhhhhh

That is true. So far it's just been his word. He can only tell us what he did after it happened. Which could be legit because it would be stupid to announce to wolves who you're protecting (though you could reveal ahead of time who your redirect would kill). It's a tough role to prove, so my sympathy is with him if he ends up being legit.

 

[Jon]

And let's not forget everyone assumes both an ASSUMED shaman and dimnmerwit being village. Neither of those aspects are necessarily true either.

 

[Smacktard]

But giving her one more night and lynching her tomorrow if there's another fail seems logical.

Man, I hope to get that same consideration next time I'm a wolf

"Haha sorry guys I haven't done anything for the past four nights but I promise I will tonight lmao"

...

This whole fucking time I've been operating under the concept that Smacktard was confirmed as Flagger

Just went back and checked and no he wasn't.

Ughhhhhhhh

There's no direct confirmation, but thinking about it logically:
Why would the wolves want to waste a kill on Local, who was Loudmouth, after he had already been rocked once and the rest of the town was suspicious of him?

They attacked me because I lied and said I was protecting Tommy. I redirected to Local because I didn't believe that Banana would kill him.

 

[A Punched Face]

Of course it's Beast Hunter and Farmer

No Bell Ringer while we're at it?

I have no control over my role. It's only the second time I've had it though.

As for Quagmire I don't have anything other than what he said earlier.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Ants checked Kat's Aura night 1 and came back blue.

It's questionable intel, but intel nonetheless. Tommy was also fairly convincingly the Ritualist. So we knew him too.

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aw fuck me sideways...

 

[Fool's Requiem]

should have just checked alu....

 

[A Punched Face]

And let's not forget everyone assumes both an ASSUMED shaman and dimnmerwit being village. Neither of those aspects are necessarily true either.

If ants is legit there's a definite shaman.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I have no defense. I forgot who Ants checked outside of Quagmire and Jumpman. Wanted to check Kat because of no true role claim.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Sorcerer, BTW.

 

[Jon]

Man, I hope to get that same consideration next time I'm a wolf

"Haha sorry guys I haven't done anything for the past four nights but I promise I will tonight lmao"

Keep in mind it's contextual. I agree she should be a lynch target. However, there are multiple other targets that provide paths forward in this particular game. I believe in looking at these games in a silo and not bunching them together because roles and actions play SUCH a large factor in decisions.

That said, the DISTINCT lack of killing roles is prolonging this game excruciatingly. Which is why i personally advocate for the move that gives the town the most informative path forward.

 

[Ants!]

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OK how about this? Time to hard role claim. We're here, day 4. No reason to hide behind your role now. Role claim and list out every single action you've performed up to this point. If it doesn't fit on this list, we know something is wrong with your story.

And let's not forget everyone assumes both an ASSUMED shaman and dimnmerwit being village. Neither of those aspects are necessarily true either.

Dimmerwit CAN NOT BE PREACHER. Zell's check puts him on a different team from Jon, who is CONFIRMED. Dimmerwit was either a wolf or the non-violent solo (not fool though), but Preacher is not possible, and he lied about that.

 

[Quagmire]

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OK how about this? Time to hard role claim. We're here, day 4. No reason to hide behind your role now. Role claim and list out every single action you've performed up to this point. If it doesn't fit on this list, we know something is wrong with your story.

I am the farmer

 

[Jon]

If ants is legit there's a definite shaman.

Another piece of info gathered if Ants is the lynch

 

[Jon]

Dimmerwit CAN NOT BE PREACHER. Zell's check puts him on a different team from Jon, who is CONFIRMED. Dimmerwit was either a wolf or the non-violent solo (not fool though), but Preacher is not possible, and he lied about that.

Unless he was Shaman/Trickstered. Though I believe Shaman is night selection, so only really trickster. Which would have had to have been done BLINDLY and under the assumption the trickster disguise goes off before the detective check (it's not in the order of operations so we don't know).

Long way of saying, I completely agree with you. He's almost certainly the real trickster that was hit day one.