Zell Wolf GWF Wolf - Zell's Version3 Night2/Day2

[A Punched Face]

Nightmare came from this post, reminding us all of a quote from Ryan on day one:

Took off a little early, y'all already +3 on pages. Made the right call.

Cliffnotes* from what I remember from Page 1 through halfway down Page 9. This is basically retreading old ground that I'm sure you're all already well past, but regardless:


>>> @Holly made an incredibly risky play detaining Cole and @Fool's Requiem on Night 1. I don't really understand the priority thing enough to know whether she lived because FR isn't a wolf, or because the Marksman blew Cole away before that became a thing. I can see that one happens two steps before the other:



>>> I have no reason to disbelieve @Benzine's claim about protecting @canadaguy. We're assuming Cole is a wolf still at this point in the thread. If Cole is ostensibly still functionally in charge of the wolves, targeting CG - especially after targeting shortkut - is entirely on brand/in character. But, if Cole is still calling the shots, capturing/converting the Werewolf Fan and doing an aggressive challenge of @Raposa's role is also entirely on brand. Raposa made the claim very early on Day 1:




>>> I'm willing to give @Local Hero some slack, as this is apparently his first wolf game? First, congratulations(?) on rolling the dice starting with this absolute clusterfuck of a time. Second, uh... I immediately get defensive whenever someone posts a chart/graph/table. That's automatic baddie behavior in my book! A bit more seriously, I am suuuper not okay handing the wolves and the Random Killer a nice, convenient hit list cheatsheet. It's helpful for those not keeping close tabs, sure, but that works both ways. And one way hurts way more than the other.

Additionally, and obviously, LH has kind of tied his fate to FR's at this point. If FR is the Sorcerer (didn't see where that first cropped up?), that's... unfortunate.



>>> Elephant in my personal room: shortkut being a Spirit Seer is bad. I can offer no defense, one does not exist. Absolutely fucking damning. General FYI if I'm not already at the top of your Wolf Suspects list, you're doing this wrong. We absolutely do not have 3 Spirit Seers right after having 3 Aura Seers.
I would really like to go find this FR = Sorcerer origination... but catching up takes priority!



>>> On the subject of wolves, I don't want this getting overlooked in all the commotion. Dude had 140 posts(!), so if I didn't immediately respond to it and remember it this would've been lost:

In what can only be described as a bad faith suggestion - he made one about/for Holly (then: unknown Warden) too, about putting two Wolf Suspects into prison at the same time - he made what I personally see as a Freudian slip. I think the Random Wolf is the fucking Nightmare Wolf, and we just gave them a nice juicy list of ways they can screw us over.

If you'll excuse the totally-not-but-sorta-unavoidably conceited take that I would have been a fucking fantastic target for a Berserk Wolf bloodbath last night, I'm thinking they don't have that. So, another reason Nightmare Wolf makes sense to me.

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Anyway sorry for derailing whatever you're talking about now, I have... probably 4-5 pages of catching up to do.
* I'm incredibly verbose, I can't help it. The thing Crystal installed to keep me in check says it's only 564 words! lol

here:

It's all simple. The Spirit Seer checks Kat and only Kat. If she's a Wolf, it makes it easy to block a kill as she would show red. They can only Nightmare one person. They Nightmare the Warden, the Spirit Seer has their info. They Nightmare the Spirit Seer, we can confirm if FR is a townie.

This is how you play to win.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Could you please refer me to the info on a Nightmare wolf knowledge?

I think the Nightmare wolf just means the warden can't give guns, and in my situation they wouldn't be giving guns? And if the nightmare person doesn't and they do give a gun, it could work out really well for us still, ya know?

Plus... if there is a Nightmare wolf, there's a better role to go for.

I think this was suspect, Vashthew

I was under the impression the weapon thing was a natural part of the process. I was also PRETTY clear about not being sure how all of this works

But yeah trying to stop us from helping frame a townie is super sus.

I thought of the idea because I was going to straight up volunteer to be jailed but was trying to think of any reason it would be dangerous for me to do it.

 

[VashTheStampede]

BG easiest to fake and you are also BG? Let's not forget that you haven't been clear.

um he guarded canadaguy and we KNOW he did because he said so-oh god i see what you mean

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Mmm but all the gun stuff is related to Holly. Do you tell Zell or Holly that you want to kill? Zell, I assume... So no one is actually able to confirm you did attempt to kill Cole. You can just read what happening in the night and then basically say what you've said.

Correct, no one can validate my claim because the Marksman chose to kill Cole before I could. Holly can only verfiy that she jailed myself and Cole, provided a weapon, and had it returned. Holly doesn't kill anyone, I messaged Zell.

With the Marksman killing Cole, they inadvertently assisted the wolves by making it so that a townie role (mine) is still in question.

 

[Benzine]

Still haven't been given an actual reason not to announce who to jail. The Nightmare will only mean the warden can't give a gun? The idea is to put wolves in the jail - they aren't targeting those players anyway. I mean, I guess we could just not jail anyone too, that's kind of the same thing.

Honestly, it's lucky no one has refuted the ritualist, cause I think you're super sus otherwise!

 

[VashTheStampede]

Okay I must be completely losing my mind: why are we trying to jail a wolf? What good does that do?

I thought we were hunting the RK

 

[Local Hero]

um he guarded canadaguy and we KNOW he did because he said so-oh god i see what you mean

It does help that no wolf kill happened, Kat killed Ryan with a potion and Canadaguy killed Cole with his gun. But maybe the wolves targeted Ryan and Ryan really was a spirit seer.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Or omg maybe the wolves targeted the RK

 

[VashTheStampede]

Holy shit

 

[A Punched Face]

Still haven't been given an actual reason not to announce who to jail. The Nightmare will only mean the warden can't give a gun? The idea is to put wolves in the jail - they aren't targeting those players anyway. I mean, I guess we could just not jail anyone too, that's kind of the same thing.

Honestly, it's lucky no one has refuted the ritualist, cause I think you're super sus otherwise!

Because we don't actually know it's a nightmare wolf for sure. If it's a Berserk wolf then announcing any kind of protection (including jailing) can result in a free extra kill for the wolves.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I'm uh... I'm taking Benzine off my "totally cool" list...

 

[Benzine]

Okay I must be completely losing my mind: why are we trying to jail a wolf? What good does that do?

I thought we were hunting the RK

I was kinda thinking that all skills should be used, but that was just dumb brain by me. I mainly wanted to protect Holly from if she got 2 wolves in jail - because they'll kill her. But I also want our potential extra seers to get as much firm info as they can.. Although there'll be lots of lying to follow, it'll help us a bit more I think.

But, hell, maybe just chuck me and Vash in jail and we can have a shoot off.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

They definitely targeted someone who could not be killed. Unlike the FQ game, there are townies who have the ability to kill them. They can't afford to skip killing.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I was kinda thinking that all skills should be used, but that was just dumb brain by me. I mainly wanted to protect Holly from if she got 2 wolves in jail - because they'll kill her. But I also want our potential extra seers to get as much firm info as they can.. Although there'll be lots of lying to follow, it'll help us a bit more I think.

But, hell, maybe just chuck me and Vash in jail and we can have a shoot off.

 

[Benzine]

As long as I don't get lynched today, I'm all gravy. I'll be battling tonight.

 

[Benzine]

It's hiiiiiigh noon.

 

[VashTheStampede]

As long as I don't get lynched today, I'm all gravy.

Gonna set off some fireworks tonight?

 

[A Punched Face]

I'm uh... I'm taking Benzine off my "totally cool" list...

Who remains on your "totally cool" list?

 

[VashTheStampede]

Who remains on your "totally cool" list?

Kat
canadaguy
Killface
Holly

I think that's it?

 

[Benzine]

Gonna set off some fireworks tonight?

Going towards them would be more accurate.

Kat
canadaguy
Killface
Holly

I think that's it?

That's a great list.

 

[Killface!]

Hell yes

 

[A Punched Face]

Kat
canadaguy
Killface
Holly

I think that's it?

Name	Roles Claimed/Suspected	Vash Approved	Confirmed?
Aura Seer	Aura Seer
Ants	Tough Guy
Benzine	Bodyguard
Canadaguy	Marksman	Y	Y?
Cole	Guardian Wolf?
Fool's Requiem	Spirit Seer
Holly	Warden	Y	Y?
Kat	Witch	Y	Y?
Killface	Ritualist	Y	Y
Local Hero	Aura Seer
Raposa	Bodyguard
Ryan	Werewolf Fan?
Shortkut	townie, role unknown. Seer?
TD	LOUD NOISES
Vash	Marksman?
Warp	Spirit Seer

 

[VashTheStampede]

Sorry Local but there's a non-zero chance you're a goddamn wizard or some shit

 

[VashTheStampede]

Name	Roles Claimed/Suspected	Vash Approved	Confirmed?
Aura Seer	Aura Seer
Ants	Tough Guy
Benzine	Bodyguard
Canadaguy	Marksman	Y	Y?
Cole	Guardian Wolf?
Fool's Requiem	Spirit Seer
Holly	Warden	Y	Y?
Kat	Witch	Y	Y?
Killface	Ritualist	Y	Y
Local Hero	Aura Seer
Raposa	Bodyguard
Ryan	Werewolf Fan?
Shortkut	townie, role unknown. Seer?
TD	LOUD NOISES
Vash	Marksman?
Warp	Spirit Seer

I'm on the Vash Approved list too

 

[Ants!]

Vash you left my name off

 

[A Punched Face]

Name	Roles Claimed/Suspected	Vash Approved	Confirmed?
Aura Seer	Aura Seer
Ants	Tough Guy
Benzine	Bodyguard
Canadaguy	Marksman	Y	Y?
Cole	Guardian Wolf?
Fool's Requiem	Spirit Seer
Holly	Warden	Y	Y?
Kat	Witch	Y	Y?
Killface	Ritualist	Y	Y
Local Hero	Aura Seer
Raposa	Bodyguard
Ryan	Werewolf Fan?
Shortkut	townie, role unknown. Seer?
TD	LOUD NOISES
Vash	Marksman?
Warp	Spirit Seer

 

[VashTheStampede]

Vash you left my name off

huh that's weird must have been some sort of oversight lemme go fix it oh wait whats that shiny object over there oops I got distracted

 

[TD]

OKAY NOW I HAVE TO BACK AND READ..

3 PAGE!?

THAT'S IT!?

 

[VashTheStampede]

OKAY NOW I HAVE TO BACK AND READ..

3 PAGE!?

THAT'S IT!?

We cruised past 666 though

 

[Raposuh]

OKAY NOW I HAVE TO BACK AND READ..

3 PAGE!?

THAT'S IT!?

Bruh you're responsible for 2 pages of posts on your own, we can't keep up.

 

[TD]

Wait we're thinking RYAN IS THE WEREWOLF FAN!?

This is getting JUICY.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Wait we're thinking RYAN IS THE WEREWOLF FAN!?

This is getting JUICY.

Bro we do not have time for you to recap every event you missed

 

[Local Hero]

Wait we're thinking RYAN IS THE WEREWOLF FAN!?

This is getting JUICY.

That idea is so 7 pages so.

Warp pointed out that Ryan stated laying out his master plan for victory and started talking about a nightmare wolf, which isn't a guaranteed role, so maybe Ryan is the nightmare wolf and he accidentally outed himself.

 

[Local Hero]

That idea is so 7 pages so.

Warp pointed out that Ryan stated laying out his master plan for victory and started talking about a nightmare wolf, which isn't a guaranteed role, so maybe Ryan is the nightmare wolf and he accidentally outed himself.

But Warp might also be a wolf? If Ryan really was a spirit seer then it's less likely that Warp is a spirit seer...The layers are so deep here

 

[Benzine]

Can we get some traction on voting for one of these seven, please? Or do people think they... Don't want to vote or something? I'd like to know.

Alu, Ants, LH, Raposa, TD, Vash, Warp.

There are eight good people remaining. Arsonist probably has to wait slightly longer to be able to win and light the match. I will definitely get the save tonight, but it'll be seven on five tomorrow... I really like the 5/7 chance of a lynch today.

 

[TD]

For clarity, you're asking the random killer to attack me, right?

Wait wait.
Do BODYGUARDS DIE from a townie killer!?

 

[Raine]

And I've caught up-ish. Only to see votes against me, making the timing of my first post-work "I'm here" post seem suspect as fuck. Honestly didn't know, but that's kind of on-brand for me. I'm good like that.

I would apologize for the reaction notification spam, unless you like that, but I couldn't post much before now what with the Day starting like an hour before normal bedtime. And I gotta help keep those engagement metrics rolling for @aura seer.

Will not be here in the morning, so whatever happens after 10pm will be a surprise. Suspenseful!

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I think it's likely that Cole was a wolf, but we can't say that for 100% certainty.
Guardian wolf might have concealed Cole just to create chaos.
Unlikely, but possible.

Like we know for sure Cole was a baddy whether RK or wolf of some sort.

No, options for Cole are 100% "wolf" or "Random Villager." He specifically said in Day 1 that he would toss flower petals to protect @Fool's Requiem, as either a means of taunting/bullying him or... well the inverse of that, I guess. Either way, the day ended in no lynch. Safe money is on Cole = Wolf, likely but not 100% certainty is Cole = Guardian Wolf specifically.

For Ryan, we don't know. He claimed Aura Seer alongside 2 1/2 others on Day 1. (The half being FR, who took ~11 hours to kind of shift from Aura claim to Spirit claim.)

Has some one used a power on Warp? Warp is claiming the innocence of some.

Not to my knowledge. Claimed Seers that checked others on Night 1:

@Local Hero -> Fool's Requiem (Good)
Warp -> Fool's Requiem (Blue) [Invalid]

Day 1, aura seer Alu and Local Hero (allegedly) independently confirmed canadaguy's Unknown aura.

No one has checked 3/4. I'm not entirely certain we have time or that it'll find anything (you can't even see the Sorcerer unless they've shed the mask), pending results of today's lynch attempt at offing the Random Killer. If we fail that, most/all of us are probably dead anyway.

If you're going to fake a claim, doing it immediately is the best. Picking an unprovable role that's both guaranteed and random is a good one to fake.

True. Your options are doing it first, or doing it convincingly. So far this game type hasn't managed to progress far enough to see how well the latter pans out.

Warp that was a great pick up on the Nightmare slip.

Did you bring it up Day 1 or conveniently just happened to notice after he was already dead?

I responded to his post at the time, like ~2 minutes later.

His response is a couple of posts down. Basically just said his misremembered. Which... orly?

You don't think we should be voting out the RK instead of the sorcerer? The RK is a ticking time bomb.

Solo Killer is a useful pawn for the wolves. Without the Solo Killer, the wolves literally can never win this game type. Anyone that doesn't go hard and fast for the Solo Killer is a wolf.

If Cole wasn't a wolf, they would say something in the dead chat about it and KillFace would pass that on.

The dead chat thread is still part of the game. No one is going to speak completely freely until all intermediaries are fully and utterly dead. And maybe not even then.

You can think whatever you like about whomever, I don't think anyone wants to ruin the game/experience.

I also think if I had to guess the arsonist is, it'd be Raposa.

orly

---

Spoiler: Silly fluff

So either Warp is lying or she's a random role?

Why can't I be the original and shortkut the Random Villager?

I'm confused. How did we figure out that kut was a Spirit Seer? He died before he could say or do anything.

Has anyone told you that you're cute? Like, in a non-condescending way? 'Cause you're cute. Fucking adorable, even.

I really want to squeeze you and protect you from the big bad wolves. ...But I'll probably have to kill you at some point instead, maybe because you're a wolf. I'm sorry.

That actually falls more in line with my thoughts than my current Raposa vote. I may switch...

The crushing weight of betrayal!

 

[VashTheStampede]

Can we get some traction on voting for one of these seven, please? Or do people think they... Don't want to vote or something? I'd like to know.

Alu, Ants, LH, Raposa, TD, Vash, Warp.

There are eight good people remaining. Arsonist probably has to wait slightly longer to be able to win and light the match. I will definitely get the save tonight, but it'll be seven on five tomorrow... I really like the 5/7 chance of a lynch today.

I'm honestly thinking you should be added to that list though. And now that focus might be on you, it's time for people to HURRY UP AND VOTE FOR ONE OF THESE

 

[A Punched Face]

Can we get some traction on voting for one of these seven, please? Or do people think they... Don't want to vote or something? I'd like to know.

Alu, Ants, LH, Raposa, TD, Vash, Warp.

There are eight good people remaining. Arsonist probably has to wait slightly longer to be able to win and light the match. I will definitely get the save tonight, but it'll be seven on five tomorrow... I really like the 5/7 chance of a lynch today.

Pretty sure we have another like 26 hours to go before votes are closed. There's so much more time for STATS!

 

[Raposuh]

Wait wait.
Do BODYGUARDS DIE from a townie killer!?

Yes.

Also just throwing it out there that if yall are thinking the bodyguards are sus based on their claims, it's in the town's best interest to keep alive the one that still has 2 protections left in em.

That's me by the way, the guy currently tied up on the gallows, just saying.

 

[TD]

Name	Roles Claimed/Suspected	Confirmed?
Aura Seer	Aura Seer	Y
Ants	Tough Guy
Benzine	Bodyguard	Y
Canadaguy	Marksman	Y?
Cole	Guardian Wolf
Fool's Requiem	Spirit Seer
Holly	Warden	Y?
Kat	Witch	Y?
Killface	Ritualist	Y
Local	Aura Seer	Y
Raposa	Bodyguard
Ryan	Werewolf Fan?	?
Shortkut	Spirit Seer	Y
TD	Total Dunce
Vash	Marksman?
Warp	Spirit Seer

Kat, Killface, canadaguy, Holly, Alu, Local, Benzine, Fool, I feel good about.

Suspicious (to me, at least right now): Ants!, Raposa, TD, Vash, Warp

TOTAL DUNCE!?

 

[Ants!]

Can we get some traction on voting for one of these seven, please? Or do people think they... Don't want to vote or something? I'd like to know.

Alu, Ants, LH, Raposa, TD, Vash, Warp.

There are eight good people remaining. Arsonist probably has to wait slightly longer to be able to win and light the match. I will definitely get the save tonight, but it'll be seven on five tomorrow... I really like the 5/7 chance of a lynch today.

I did vote. I voted for Raposa.

 

[Local Hero]

I would apologize for the reaction notification spam, unless you like that

I like it! lol

 

[VashTheStampede]

I responded to his post at the time, like ~2 minutes later.

His response is a couple of posts down. Basically just said his misremembered. Which... orly?

Oh, OK then. Glad I asked. I thought about going and checking myself but the thought of reopening that novel again made my eyes start to cross involuntarily? Ignore the strike through please.

 

[Benzine]

The dead chat thread is still part of the game. No one is going to speak completely freely until all intermediaries are fully and utterly dead. And maybe not even then.
[/spoiler]

That's what I'm saying. Cole is playing from there. KillFace has given the info they've given. If Cole is a wolf, he wouldn't admit that in the dead thread. I'm not talking about spoiling anything...

 

[Raposuh]

That's what I'm saying. Cole is playing from there. KillFace has given the info they've given. If Cole is a wolf, he wouldn't admit that in the dead thread. I'm not talking about spoiling anything...

You keep saying "if" Cole is a wolf.

Cole was killed by the marksman, so he's definitely a wolf, because if he were a townie role marksman dies instead.

 

[VashTheStampede]

You keep saying "if" Cole is a wolf.

Cole was killed by the marksman, so he's definitely a wolf, because if he were a townie role marksman dies instead.

RK?

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (6 required):

Raposa - 6 (TD, VashTheStampede, Kat, Local Hero, Benzine, Ants!)
Warp - 1 (Holly)
VashTheStampede - 1 (Fool's Requiem)
aura seer - 1 (Raposa)

No votes - aura seer, canadaguy, Killface!, Warp

Votes to skip (12 required):

Skip -

No votes - aura seer, Ants!, Benzine, canadaguy, Fool's Requiem, Holly, Kat, Killface!, Local Hero, Raposa, TD, Warp

 

[Raine]

That's what I'm saying. Cole is playing from there. KillFace has given the info they've given. If Cole is a wolf, he wouldn't admit that in the dead thread. I'm not talking about spoiling anything...

Gotcha, gotcha. My apologies then, it read like you were saying if Cole was or wasn't a wolf he would act in a different way.

He's going to keep doing whatever he was doing before. Which, as a wolf, is lying his ass off.

 

[A Punched Face]

You keep saying "if" Cole is a wolf.

Cole was killed by the marksman, so he's definitely a wolf, because if he were a townie role marksman dies instead.

Very technically speaking the marksman can also kill the RK, but it feels much more likely to be a wolf in this situation.