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Ants! said:
So you’re just going to ignore my response to this about how a random killer would probably rather kill townies than wolves?
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I'd like to point out that if the RK gets it down to where there are more wolves than townies, it could potentially be even more difficult for the RK to win, because the wolves know who each is. The townies don't have a clue who is who.
 
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I've already outlined why I think Cole is the RK. He's trying so hard to come off as the Fool. His behavior is even acting in a goofy manner to plant the idea into your head. It saves him from both of the ways we would get rid of him, which is his best bet. We obviously aren't going to vote for the Fool. We aren't going to waste a kill move on them, either. What's the point in that? We save those for the people who can do real damage.

Cole is definitely the RK at this point, and there's no changing my mind on it. The Gunner needs to act because people say we can't safely lynch him on the off chance he actually is the Fool and is just being incredibly honest about it. Cole needs to die today, there are no questions about it.
 
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Fool's Requiem said:
I'd like to point out that if the RK gets it down to where there are more wolves than townies, it could potentially be even more difficult for the RK to win, because the wolves know who each is. The townies don't have a clue who is who.
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I probably should have specified that the wolves are more useful to him towards the beginning of the game, because the wolves help him narrow down the numbers.
 
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TD said:
I must have missed that, but how do you come to that conclusion? The RK needs the village on his side.
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Why does he? The wolves can’t kill him but can kill the townies for him which are greater in number right now.

What is YOUR logic in saying he needs to help the town? Elaborate. Get specific. Explain it to me like I’m five.
 
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Ryan! said:
I've already outlined why I think Cole is the RK. He's trying so hard to come off as the Fool. His behavior is even acting in a goofy manner to plant the idea into your head. It saves him from both of the ways we would get rid of him, which is his best bet. We obviously aren't going to vote for the Fool. We aren't going to waste a kill move on them, either. What's the point in that? We save those for the people who can do real damage.

Cole is definitely the RK at this point, and there's no changing my mind on it. The Gunner needs to act because people say we can't safely lynch him on the off chance he actually is the Fool and is just being incredibly honest about it. Cole needs to die today, there are no questions about it.
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I know you're not a wolf, but if the gunner kills Cole and he's not the RK - it's game over for the village.
 
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TD said:
I must have missed that, but how do you come to that conclusion? The RK needs the village on his side.
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The RK needs no one. Help the wolves get rid of the killing role townies then help the town get rid of the wolves

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just so you guys are aware, food for thought and all.

the gunner won't be coming to your rescue. the gunner knows who's side I'm on.
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That only works if you are the gunner and tried to play at being the fool to have it backfire because it became suspicious. Take a shot at fool or TD then
 
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Ants! said:
Why does he? The wolves can’t kill him but can kill the townies for him which are greater in number right now.

What is YOUR logic in saying he needs to help the town? Elaborate. Get specific. Explain it to me like I’m five.
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If the RK is a threat to the town, we have roles who can kill him and we can also lynch him.

The wolves can also lynch him.

Your first sentence explains exactly why we should be targeting wolves and not an alleged RK to which there is no evidence.
 
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If the RK is a threat to the town, we have roles who can kill him and we can also lynch him.

The wolves can also lynch him.

Your first sentence explains exactly why we should be targeting wolves and not an alleged RK to which there is no evidence.
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You can’t lynch him right now. I still don’t get your objection to using the gunner.
 
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Dean said:
It seems like several people have jumped around, which is why I've stuck with abstaining until someone is exposed or more likely to be a hairy moon howler
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Only people I've jumped to are the ones I was suspicious of on the first page given how they've behaved. Fool went for the looking like the Fool play to make us weary to lynch him by tossing out random names. TD immediately latched onto my logic of this and went for the FR vote. The Wolf sacrifice play is risky, but it gets a lot of suspicion off of one of them, which is a huge benefit to it.
 
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The only hard evidence we have right now is that Cole is not a wolf. That gives his claim that cg is one more credence than canadaguy's "nuh uh". That is my conundrum right now.

We have SEVERAL people clamoring for the gunner to take a shot at someone we know isn't a wolf. I get the good intentions that could be behind those calls, but it also helps the wolves by wasting a bullet that could be aimed at them.

Right now, in my eyes, everyone calling for gunfire is more suspect than those calling for a ceasefire.
 
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Ants! said:
Because of his behavior, and the fool needs to die also and not by lynching as has been explain multiple times already.
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Nothing about his behaviour says RK. It's a huge reach. The only alleged evidence is the claim he is unknown which still points to more likely to being town.

The fool doesn't need to die. If they are the last one alive, the village wins.
 
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The only hard evidence we have right now is that Cole is not a wolf. That gives his claim that cg is one more credence than canadaguy's "nuh uh". That is my conundrum right now.

We have SEVERAL people clamoring for the gunner to take a shot at someone we know isn't a wolf. I get the good intentions that could be behind those calls, but it also helps the wolves by wasting a bullet that could be aimed at them.

Right now, in my eyes, everyone calling for gunfire is more suspect than those calling for a ceasefire.
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No. We can lynch wolves.
 
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There's zero reason not to use the Gunner here to take him out. We are down two townies already. We need to make a move here or we're going to fall way too far behind and just lose by attrition. We either trust my logic and vote for Cole to get rid of him, or we make the safe play and the Gunner takes him out and the Tough Guy or Jailer protects him. Maybe the Tough Guy gets attacked. Then he lives the next day and we get yet another baddie. Sacking your Bishop to pin their Rook is always a dangerous play, but a worthwhile one. We lose another townie, maybe, and the RK is gone and they're down a Wolf. If we lynch a Wolf today, now they're down two Wolves and the RK is gone. We're in a much better position.
 
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