Zell Wolf GWF Wolf - Zell's Version Night 1/Day 1/Night 2

[VashTheStampede]

Winning conditions:

Village: Kill all wolves and the solo killer

Wolves: Kill the solo killer. Once the wolves make up half the total players and the solo killer is dead, the wolves win, regardless of the roles remaining.

Fool: Get lynched

Solo killer: Be the last player remaining with all other players dead.

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Damn looks like the wolves really need that solo killer gone and using a bullet to do it would be a double bonus.

 

[VashTheStampede]

There's zero reason not to use the Gunner here to take him out.

I get disagreeing with the reasoning, but saying there's ZERO reason is arguing in bad faith.

 

[Ants!]

How??

If the fool gets lynched, the wolves lose.
If the fool survived until the end, the wolves lose.

I could copy and paste zells wolfie instructions from last game, but I’m not sure if he’ll be okay with that. If he says so then I will.

 

[shortkut]

My top suspects for wolves are FR and TD.

Cole is trying something new by acting like the fool role. He is likely the RK and will need to be taken care of eventually, and the only way to do that is lynch or townie role. Until we know the fool is gone, we cannot risk lynching him. If he’s not the RK, my feeling is this experiment of his is a failure because it only made him more suspicious

 

[TD]

I don't care what the "instructions" say, look at the win conditions.

The biggest beneficiary to the solo killer dying is the wolves. Everyone benefits from the fool dying, unless we know who he is - then the town benefits.

 

[Zell 17]

I could copy and paste zells wolfie instructions from last game, but I’m not sure if he’ll be okay with that. If he says so then I will.

You don’t even need to, I posted an even more detailed write up in Day 4 of the last game.

 

[TD]

My top suspects for wolves are FR and TD.

Cole is trying something new by acting like the fool role. He is likely the RK and will need to be taken care of eventually, and the only way to do that is lynch or townie role. Until we know the fool is gone, we cannot risk lynching him. If he’s not the RK, my feeling is this experiment of his is a failure because it only made him more suspicious

So you believe canadaguy is a second aura seer, then?

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (7 required):

canadaguy - 4 (Cole, Fool's Requiem, Holly, TD)
TD - 3 (shortkut, canadaguy, Ryan!)

No vote - Raposa, Benzine, Warp, Ants!, Dean, Tubby23, VashTheStampede

Votes to skip (13 required):

Skip - 2 (Cole, Raposa)

No vote - Ryan!, canadaguy, Benzine, Fool's Requiem, Warp, Ants!, Dean, Tubby23, VashTheStampede, TD, Holly

 

[VashTheStampede]

What are the chances that Cole is actin a fool to try and live longer as a high profile player that's going to attract immediate attention for lynching?

 

[Ants!]

I don't care what the "instructions" say, look at the win conditions.

The biggest beneficiary to the solo killer dying is the wolves. Everyone benefits from the fool dying, unless we know who he is - then the town benefits.

I’m not talking about win conditions, I’m talking about strategy to get there, and this is only Day 1. The fool is literally a lynch-shield for wolves. I used it to survive to night 2 to make a second Seeing for my team.

 

[Tubby23]

What are the chances that Cole is actin a fool to try and live longer as a high profile player that's going to attract immediate attention for lynching?

Probably more likely than him being Fool to be honest.
I said earlier nothing Cold does isn't thought out

 

[Ryan!]

I get disagreeing with the reasoning, but saying there's ZERO reason is arguing in bad faith.

It's basic chess principles. Exchanging of pieces in the early game to gain a much better position is how you set up a middle game that leads to a winning end game. Cole has come across too hard to be the Fool. Unless he's making a bizarre play of being 100% truthful, he's pretty clearly the RK and getting rid of him now only benefits us.

 

[TD]

Important to note, we are at 7 votes.

Unless some votes are removed. Those abstains should make a judgment call before the day is out.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Unless he's making a bizarre play of being 100% truthful,

So bizarre that it's LITERALLY what he did last game.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Voting canadaguy to try and get more data until convinced otherwise.

 

[Zell 17]

Important to note, we are at 7 votes.

Unless some votes are removed. Those abstains should make a judgment call before the day is out.

The 7 votes required need to all be on the same person for a lynch. As-is, nobody is getting lynched if the day ends right now.

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (7 required):

canadaguy - 5 (Cole, Fool's Requiem, Holly, TD, VashTheStampede)
TD - 3 (shortkut, canadaguy, Ryan!)

No vote - Raposa, Benzine, Warp, Ants!, Dean, Tubby23

Votes to skip (13 required):

Skip - 2 (Cole, Raposa)

No vote - Ryan!, canadaguy, Benzine, Fool's Requiem, Warp, Ants!, Dean, Tubby23, VashTheStampede, TD, Holly

 

[Cole]

okay guys. this has gone on long enough.

ill be back in a couple hours.

don't do anything stupid, okay?

 

[TD]

The 7 votes required need to all be on the same person for a lynch. As-is, nobody is getting lynched if the day ends right now.

Oh, I misunderstood your response to shortkut.

EDIT: Okay I might be losing my mind, I thought shortkut asked for clarity on the 7 thing but now I can't even find that.

EDIT2: I found it but it was FR that responded, not Zell.

Thanks for clarifying Zell.

 

[Ryan!]

So bizarre that it's LITERALLY what he did last game.

So again, if we assume he is being 10p% truthful and he actually is the Fool, the Gunner is still the safest play. We take him out now and can vote safely tomorrow. We can protect our Gunner with the Tough Guy or Jailer, pray the Wolves do not have a Berserker in play, and go from there.

 

[VashTheStampede]

okay guys. this has gone on long enough.

ill be back in a couple hours.

don't do anything stupid, okay?

 

[VashTheStampede]

So again, if we assume he is being 10p% truthful and he actually is the Fool, the Gunner is still the safest play. We take him out now and can vote safely tomorrow. We can protect our Gunner with the Tough Guy or Jailer, pray the Wolves do not have a Berserker in play, and go from there.

???

Did I miss where he said he's the fool?

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Can someone please explain to me what skipping is and how it's different from abstaining.

 

[TD]

Can someone please explain to me what skipping is and how it's different from abstaining.

Abstain is not actually a vote.
It's just no vote, no need to say it.

Skip immediately jumps to night, I believe. But you need basically everyone.

 

[Tubby23]

Yes skip is to speed the day up to the end. Came in last game to shorten the 36 hour days when everything was finishing up

 

[Ants!]

I’m willing to hear Coleman out. We still have until this evening to decide.

 

[Ryan!]

???

Did I miss where he said he's the fool?

Look at his behavior. Cole isn't an idiot. He's smart. He's deliberate. He plans things out.

He's stating with 100% certainty he knows who a townie is. He's attempting to start a bandwagon on someone who may be a townie in order to get suspicion put on him. It makes people weary to vote because what if that's exactly what he wants? He's been deliberately goofy the entire time. He's planting into your subconscious the idea he's just being an idiot. Foolish, if you will. It's too obvious.

So there are one of two possibilities here. Cole is acting out his role to its fullest. He is the Fool, he's intentionally acting dumb, and he wants us to lynch him. Or he's the RK. He's putting into your head the idea he is the Fool so we don't vote for him and we don't waste a townie kill on him because we need to get rid of the baddies with it.

In either scenario, the best play is to use the Gunner to get rid of him. We risk exposing the Gunner, but we have protections. If the Tough Guy does it, we lose another townie, but we gain a safe lynch tomorrow. If the Jailer does it, the Gunner doesn't have night actions anyway and we just hope they don't use the Berserker if it's available to get rid of them both.

Either way, we get rid of two bad guys and our numbers game increases significantly.

The Gunner needs to get rid of Cole.

 

[Cole]

guys I fucking said I have stuff to do and to stop being stupid.

is no one listening to me?!

 

[TD]

...so, your argument is that Cole is not an idiot and that he's smart.

...yet it's obvious he is the RK?

There are way more than "two possibilities".

 

[Tubby23]

guys I fucking said I have stuff to do and to stop being stupid.

is no one listening to me?!

I'm waiting to hear what you have to say but I waited till 2am last night and you didn't. What's your ETA on spilling the tea

 

[Ryan!]

...so, your argument is that Cole is not an idiot and that he's smart.

...yet it's obvious he is the RK?

There are way more than "two possibilities".

Enlighten me

 

[Cole]

I'm waiting to hear what you have to say but I waited till 2am last night and you didn't. What's your ETA on spilling the tea

December 16th, 1773

#fucktheBritish

 

[TD]

Enlighten me

There are literally 8 town members still alive, more than 50% of the roles remaining are village members. He's not a wolf. So 10 possible roles for him, you've narrowed it down to 2 based on nothing.

Those are your other possibilities. 80% chance he is village.

 

[VashTheStampede]

So there are one of two possibilities here. Cole is acting out his role to its fullest. He is the Fool, he's intentionally acting dumb, and he wants us to lynch him. Or he's the RK. He's putting into your head the idea he is the Fool so we don't vote for him and we don't waste a townie kill on him because we need to get rid of the baddies with it.

What if he's the sheriff?

 

[Ants!]

guys I fucking said I have stuff to do and to stop being stupid.

is no one listening to me?!

I am. I stopped pushing for the gunner when you gave us a timeline, showed that you could be serious.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Honestly, Ryan's inability to admit that there is even the SLIGHTEST chance he's wrong is the more bothersome thing for me so far today.

 

[Ants!]

Although I am curious why you voted to skip if you also wanted us to wait. But I’ll hear what you have to say in a few hours.

 

[Ryan!]

What if he's the sheriff?

Then how could he say with 100% certainty he has a Wolf? At best he would have a 50% chance.

 

[Ants!]

What if he's the sheriff?

Sheriff isn’t 100% though. But I guess it’s possible he paired his finding with a second piece of evidence from elsewhere to lock in a certainty. I’ll give the benefit of the doubt (for now).

 

[TD]

Honestly, Ryan's inability to admit that there is even the SLIGHTEST chance he's wrong is the more bothersome thing for me so far today.

He's not a wolf, just severely misguided.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Then how could he say with 100% certainty he has a Wolf? At best he would have a 50% chance.

"If they watched a wolf kill, they will be given info on the lowest ranking remaining wolf and another villager at random (who may be any role)."

Do we know what EXACTLY this means?

Cause the way I read it, if the sheriff observes a kill he is rewarded with information on both a wolf and a townie.

The townie could be our upcoming info drop.

 

[Ants!]

He's not a wolf, just severely misguided.

I’m honestly having the same thoughts about you.

 

[TD]

I’m honestly having the same thoughts about you.

Well then we can agree the three of us are not wolves.

 

[TD]

Plot twist, what if the two people the sheriff observed were the wolf and our now dead priest?

There's a guaranteed wolf right there.

 

[Ryan!]

He's not a wolf, just severely misguided.

I know you know I'm not because I'm fairly certain you are.

 

[VashTheStampede]

He's not a wolf, just severely misguided.

I dunno. Ryan's a super sharp guy. I think it's willful at this point. Now as to WHY, I couldn't say

 

[TD]

Almost seems...

Foolish.

 

[Ryan!]

Plot twist, what if the two people the sheriff observed were the wolf and our now dead priest?

There's a guaranteed wolf right there.

He said he knew for certain before Tommy used his day action.

 

[Ryan!]

Almost seems...

Foolish.

Almost seems as though you're trying to deflect from your own suspicion.

Do I have you seeing red from your frustration?

 

[TD]

And that could be Cole screwing with everyone to generate discussion and then analyze what people are saying.

Saying shit to generate convo and then analyze it is a smart play, and to quote you - he's smart.