Zell Wolf GWF Wolf - Zell's Version Night 1/Day 1/Night 2

[Fool's Requiem]

Stab in the dark, TD is the Medium and the Wolf Seer knows it and doesn't want Alu revive to share the info he has.

 

[Tubby23]

Stab in the dark, TD is the Medium and the Wolf Seer knows it and doesn't want Alu revive to share the info he has.

So combined with your other post you think one of canadaguy and kut is the Wolf Seer?

 

[Zell 17]

Isn't that what this means?

"The player to check will be PMed."

Worded poorly. Meant that the wolf seer will PM me the player they want to check. Nobody is notified

 

[Ryan!]

I awaken to see Cole still alive.

 

[Cole]

I awaken to see Cole still alive.

same

 

[VashTheStampede]

 

[Ryan!]

So if Cole is still alive, it's one of two possibilities. Either our Gunner hasn't seen everything yet, or Cole is our Gunner. But if the latter was the case, how could he have a guaranteed Wolf to kill? And if it were guaranteed, why not just kill him? Cole can be protected by the Tough Guy. Yes, we sacrifice a townie, but we also get two Wolves to kill as a result. Previous game, he was perfectly fine with a risky play to get rid of two baddies. So what is the deal here?

 

[Ryan!]

And what's more, if Cole is our Gunner, he has zero reason not to use his ability now. If Cole is killed during the night and the Tough Guy protected him, we're down a townie and only got one Wolf as a result. If Cole is not killed during the night, we know he's likely the RK and the Gunner should 100% take him out. This play only hurts the town and at this point with us being down two townies and having zero leads thanks to stalling all day with waiting, we deserve to lose.

 

[Tubby23]

Given some of the conversation last night went quite late (for you guys anyway) potentially you're right that the Gunner hasn't read everything yet to make a move.

I still think it's more likely Cole is the Fool than Gunner because I'm not quite sure he'd have played the way he did yesterday as the Gunner.

I still want to hear more on @Fool's Requiem theory with kut/CG because I still don't feel comfortable throwing out a vote given the info we have. Three townies day 1 would be a disaster

 

[Ants!]

Honestly even if cg gets lynched and is found to be a wolf, unless he gives us more to go on beforehand my assessment will still be that Coleman is the fool or the random killer and just got lucky picking a random name.

 

[Dean]

Honestly even if cg gets lynched and is found to be a wolf, unless he gives us more to go on beforehand my assessment will still be that Coleman is the fool or the random killer and just got lucky picking a random name.

At least we would get a wolf

 

[shortkut]

Since Cole is not a wolf, I'm less concerned about what other role he may have. The only solo killer I'm worried about is the Arsonist, but the Arsonist would be much better off staying invisible. Trying to convince everyone that you have information you learned in the night phase is not being invisible. He could still be the Fool or another solo killer, but I'm less worried about those roles. I feel like he picked canadaguy for a reason.

I think two of our wolves are canadaguy and shortkut. kut wants Cole dead something fierce despite Tommy sacrificing himself to prove that Cole isn't a wolf. I don't know why the two voted TD together, though.

Are you a wolf? A wolf wouldn’t care about the fool since all they need is for the fool or a wolf to not be lynched.

The town needs any RK gone and the foil makes it hard to lynch anyone, so both roles are technically hindrances to the towns goals which is why Cole needs to die

 

[Ants!]

At least we would get a wolf

Yes, but it would be just because of random chance and Coleman would still need to either be killed or just not lynched, depending on which role he has.

 

[shortkut]

@Fool's Requiem is either the gunner and refusing to shoot Cole because he’s a dumdum or a wolf trying to protect his wolf buddy @TD

 

[Ants!]

The town needs any RK gone and the foil makes it hard to lynch anyone, so both roles are technically hindrances to the towns goals which is why Cole needs to die

This is exactly my reasoning after Dean asked why do we really need to kill the fool that badly.

 

[Dean]

canadaguy is probably the spirit seer, so someone needs to protect him tonight.

If Cole is the RK, then we need the Gunner to take him out, assuming none of the RKs can be taken out by wolves at night (I think Zell said that somewhere) or we lynch him but risk that he is actually the fool.

Got it.

 

[shortkut]

gunner needs to take the shot on Cole today or tomorrow. He’s obviously has an unknown aura. Look at all that @canadaguy eliminated, they all have good aura. We know he doesn’t have an evil aura or he would have been wolf. If he was a townie with unknown aura he wouldn’t be so reckless. He is either the fool or pretending to be the fool because he is the RK

Not tough guy, not flower child, not body guard, not avenger, not loud mouth, not red lady, not sheriff, not priest, not doctor

My reasoning as to why Cole needs to be killed. It hinges on the specific list posted by canadaguy which conveniently has everyone with the same aura

 

[Dean]

This is exactly my reasoning after Dean asked why do we really need to kill the fool that badly.

Not so much "why" but just that we can still win without the fool being killed. And if they stay alive in the end, then we win.

 

[Ants!]

canadaguy is probably the spirit seer, so someone needs to protect him tonight.

If Cole is the RK, then we need the Gunner to take him out, assuming none of the RKs can be taken out by wolves at night (I think Zell said that somewhere) or we lynch him but risk that he is actually the fool.

Got it.

This is why we need the gunner. If he is a random killer, the wolves can’t take them out. But if he is a fool, we can’t lynch him either.

 

[Tubby23]

@Fool's Requiem is either the gunner and refusing to shoot Cole because he’s a dumdum or a wolf trying to protect his wolf buddy @TD

If it's the latter, my only question is which should we be voting as at the moment there is three votes split between them

 

[Tubby23]

My reasoning as to why Cole needs to be killed. It hinges on the specific list posted by canadaguy which conveniently has everyone with the same aura

So your view is we lynch TD and the gunner kills Cole for us?

 

[shortkut]

Not so much "why" but just that we can still win without the fool being killed. And if they stay alive in the end, then we win.

Yes but we cannot confirm their role 100%, only the wolf seer can. That means any time we want to lynch someone, we are at risk of losing the game and getting the fool. Lynching is how we get the wolves

 

[Ants!]

I just thought CG was eliminating all the roles that can’t possibly know a wolf for 100% after TDs comment.

 

[Dean]

Yes but we cannot confirm their role 100%, only the wolf seer can. That means any time we want to lynch someone, we are at risk of losing the game and getting the fool. Lynching is how we get the wolves

If we could somehow 100% confirm Cole's role is the fool, though, then there is no harm in keeping him alive...

Sorry, probably arguing semantics at this point, or talking about something that is hard to prove. Anyway, I'm still abstaining for now.

 

[shortkut]

If we could somehow 100% confirm Cole's role is the fool, though, then there is no harm in keeping him alive...

Sorry, probably arguing semantics at this point, or talking about something that is hard to prove. Anyway, I'm still abstaining for now.

Yes but how can we know?

So your view is we lynch TD and the gunner kills Cole for us?

Or lynch fool for being a dumdum

 

[Ants!]

If we could somehow 100% confirm Cole's role is the fool, though, then there is no harm in keeping him alive...

Sorry, probably arguing semantics at this point, or talking about something that is hard to prove. Anyway, I'm still abstaining for now.

Hey, if you know of any way that is possible without him dying by wolf or gunner, we are all ears. Otherwise, stop objecting.

 

[Dean]

Can't the Medium revive Alu, who could then check Cole?

 

[Dean]

Can't the Medium revive Alu, who could then check Cole?

Nevermind, that is still only the aura. Guess I'll stop objecting.

 

[Ants!]

Can't the Medium revive Alu, who could then check Cole?

Even doing that, that would still only narrow it down to one of the roles with an unknown aura. Why are you trying this hard to protect him?

 

[Ants!]

Even doing that, that would still only narrow it down to one of the roles with an unknown aura. Why are you trying this hard to protect him?

Turns out this post wasn’t necessary because Dean nimrodded me. Lol

 

[Ryan!]

Yes but we cannot confirm their role 100%, only the wolf seer can. That means any time we want to lynch someone, we are at risk of losing the game and getting the fool. Lynching is how we get the wolves

So you're saying definitively to vote for TD? As in today?

 

[shortkut]

Turns out this post wasn’t necessary because Dean nimrodded me. Lol

He tried to groom you? we should lynch him for being a pedo

 

[Dean]

Even doing that, that would still only narrow it down to one of the roles with an unknown aura. Why are you trying this hard to protect him?

Even with Cole acting like a fool, he is normally a good player and helped us win last game. But I'm not objecting anymore. I am not the Gunner, though, so I cannot help with the plan.

 

[shortkut]

So you're saying definitively to vote for TD? As in today?

I have no evidence for or against TD. I voted him because he voted me and now fool is being a dumdum and making himself and TD look suspicious

 

[Ants!]

He tried to groom you? we should lynch him for being a pedo

He tried, but then he found out I am too old.

 

[TD]

All Alu can do is check if he's evil, unknown, or good. We already know Cole is not a wolf. Unknown doesn't help us because of all the unknown village roles. It's more likely Cole is a villager if he came back as unknown.

Let's say hypothetically Cole is the random killer, who benefits more from a role killing him? The wolves.

The wolves can't kill the RK. The wolves are a bigger threat to the village, if we decide it's likely Cole is the RK we can easily get rid of him later. There is no rush to get rid of him now.

This push to get rid of him is likely driven by a couple wolves and some villagers are buying into the idea.

 

[Ants!]

Even with Cole acting like a fool, he is normally a good player and helped us win last game. But I'm not objecting anymore. I am not the Gunner, though, so I cannot help with the plan.

Except his odd behavior is exactly why we suspect him of being the fool now.

 

[shortkut]

All Alu can do is check if he's evil, unknown, or good. We already know Cole is not a wolf. Unknown doesn't help us because of all the unknown village roles. It's more likely Cole is a villager if he came back as unknown.

Let's say hypothetically Cole is the random killer, who benefits more from a role killing him? The wolves.

The wolves can't kill the RK. The wolves are a bigger threat to the village, if we decide it's likely Cole is the RK we can easily get rid of him later. There is no rush to get rid of him now.

This push to get rid of him is likely driven by a couple wolves and some villagers are buying into the idea.

The town needs him dead too. If I were the RK I’d kill more townies in the beginning because they are the actual threat and try to get wolves lynched.

You’re making yourself look suspicious too

 

[Ants!]

All Alu can do is check if he's evil, unknown, or good. We already know Cole is not a wolf. Unknown doesn't help us because of all the unknown village roles. It's more likely Cole is a villager if he came back as unknown.

Let's say hypothetically Cole is the random killer, who benefits more from a role killing him? The wolves.

The wolves can't kill the RK. The wolves are a bigger threat to the village, if we decide it's likely Cole is the RK we can easily get rid of him later. There is no rush to get rid of him now.

This push to get rid of him is likely driven by a couple wolves and some villagers are buying into the idea.

If I still had hair, you would be making me pull it all out right now. How is the random killer a smaller threat than the wolves?

 

[Tubby23]

I think we worked out last game that it benefits town and wolves alike to have the Fool gone as the every present risk of lynching them and ending the game makes it difficult to focus clearly on anything else.

Coles attempts seem blatant but he probably wants us double and triple guessing ourselves if he is the fool.

 

[Ants!]

The town needs him dead too. If I were the RK I’d kill more townies in the beginning because they are the actual threat and try to get wolves lynched.

You’re making yourself look suspicious too

If anything, the random killer probably prefers killing off townies because the wolves can’t kill him at night anyway.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Are you a wolf? A wolf wouldn’t care about the fool since all they need is for the fool or a wolf to not be lynched.

The town needs any RK gone and the foil makes it hard to lynch anyone, so both roles are technically hindrances to the towns goals which is why Cole needs to die

RK needs everyone dead to win. Last man standing. RK can't he killed by a wolf. RK is the biggest threat to a wolf win because unless the RK is dead, they can't win, no matter how many townies they kill/get lynched.

I have stated that unless we're talking about Cole being Arso (he's not), I am not concerned about an RK on day one.

 

[Ants!]

I think we worked out last game that it benefits town and wolves alike to have the Fool gone as the every present risk of lynching them and ending the game makes it difficult to focus clearly on anything else.

Coles attempts seem blatant but he probably wants us double and triple guessing ourselves if he is the fool.

Even if he’s not one of those roles, he’s not making himself very useful as a townie.

 

[Ryan!]

All Alu can do is check if he's evil, unknown, or good. We already know Cole is not a wolf. Unknown doesn't help us because of all the unknown village roles. It's more likely Cole is a villager if he came back as unknown.

Let's say hypothetically Cole is the random killer, who benefits more from a role killing him? The wolves.

The wolves can't kill the RK. The wolves are a bigger threat to the village, if we decide it's likely Cole is the RK we can easily get rid of him later. There is no rush to get rid of him now.

This push to get rid of him is likely driven by a couple wolves and some villagers are buying into the idea.

Wait, what? As shortkut said, we need the RK dead. I'm suggesting the Gunner take him out on the chance Cole is the Fool and just looking to get lynched. Why are you so hellbent on protecting him and keeping him around?

Now I'm just wondering if this is some 5d chess move and you're looking to get Cole killed while trying to seem the reasonable objective townie who doesn't want to waste resources. We are down two already. We need to make a kill today, or we're going to be in a losing position.

I think kut may just be right. You're a Wolf trying to play us.

Changing vote to TD

 

[Dean]

Random thought: Benzine has been very quiet. I don't normally play games with them. Are they usually this inactive? At least one wolf tends to lay low.

 

[TD]

The random killer needs to be the final survivor to win and can help us kill the wolves technically. They need to earn the trust of the town.

There is zero evidence that points to Cole being the RK.

The wolves can take us out every night and only need to outnumber us.

One if not both of canadaguy/shortkut are a wolf.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Random thought: Benzine has been very quiet. I don't normally play games with them. Are they usually this inactive? At least one wolf tends to lay low.

Benzine stayed invis last game as the Medium, but was lurking the whole time. Still got randimly killed by the wolves though.

 

[Cole]

hey! wolf seems fun, can I play next time?!

 

[Dean]

Benzine stayed invis last game as the Medium, but was lurking the whole time. Still got randimly killed by the wolves though.

Welp, nevermind then.

I kinda get TD's point. The RK is taking out both wolves and townie and doesn't know who is which. But there are more of us right now than the wolves, so... Nevermind, I'm not gonna start another discussion about odds.

 

[TD]

canadaguy claimed to be the aura seer and checked Cole, or to be connected to someone who knows.

Our aura seer is dead.

There's a 20% chance we have another aura seer.
Within that, there's approx a 7% that canadaguy himself is another aura seer.

There is a 33% chance he is a wolf.