Zell Wolf GWF Wolf - Zell's Version Night 1/Day 1/Night 2

[Cole]

@Cole it was this post that lead to @Tommy Boy ’s death. Combined with what @canadaguy implied, you had 100% knowledge of a wolf and an unknown aura. Only the alpha wolf would meet both criteria.

and? you didn't answer my question. I already admitted to Tommy's blood being on my hands.

but you haven't answered why you were underwhelmed?

 

[VashTheStampede]

@Cole it was this post that lead to @Tommy Boy ’s death. Combined with what @canadaguy implied, you had 100% knowledge of a wolf and an unknown aura. Only the alpha wolf would meet both criteria.

Yes. Your games got a man killed.

 

[shortkut]

yeah? how come, shortkut?

First of all, formatting. Very few sections with bolded headers. That’s just laziness on your part. Second was what I posted just above.

at no point did I say I was 100% canadaguy was a wolf.

You heavily implied it see previous quote of your post

 

[Cole]

Yes. Your games got a man killed.

horrible I know. but I never said canadaguy was the wolf. this day isn't over. you took evening yo mean Thursday night. I meant it as the dwindling hours of day 1.

 

[Cole]

First of all, formatting. Very few sections with bolded headers. That’s just laziness on your part. Second was what I posted just above.


You heavily implied it see previous quote of your post

I didn't heavily imply any thing, that was the interpretstion, and even with that in mind, I had hoped no one would take the chance without knowing.

you're leading me to believe I found my wolf.

 

[Raine]

You guys keep falling into the trap of "those who talk the most are the best players", Alu is just as much of a threat as anyone in this game. As evidenced by who took him out.

I wasn't saying Alu isn't a good player, just that based on the conversation at the time - which was in response to Ryan specifically, I think - I would expect that particular outcome.

If I'm a wolf or solo killer, there exists a target priority list wherein "Cole" and "shortkut" are towards the bottom because protection roles exist and I'm more likely to lose/waste a night or otherwise get outed.


Removing vote/Abstaining to get CG off the goddamn chopping block.

 

[Ryan!]

monkeys with typewriters guys, monkeys with typewriters.

Heres the thing. In the first two games, and the aftermath of both, I basically outlined *exactly* how I play this game. I also won a game as wolf in decisive fashion, and then won a game as townie in decisive fashion. (note for the haters: I'm not saying *I* single handedly did either, I'm saying I was on the winning team twice in two games that were decisive.)

I had to do something different. I needed a new strategy. I got my role, I'm [REDACTED MESSAGE], and a valuable member of the town. And I needed a way to generaate conversation that wasn't my usual strategy. When it began, I wasn't sure where I was going, I just knew how I wanted it to start. But there's one key piece of information that I think you're all missing.

at no point did I say I was 100% canadaguy was a wolf.

thats just what everyone inferred because that's who I voted for.

what I in fact said was that I had identified a wolf. That was more fib than lie, because my belief was that I could figure out who the wolf was from the ensuing chaos. You delightful mother fuckers spent 14 pages trying to figure it out, accusing each other, playing odds, thinking up strategies. I posted like 20 times in this thread, and I was still the number one source of conversation, and you lovely little fuckers are AWESOME for that. It went swimmingly.

Heres the rub. I was fully prepared to follow through with this. say I know definitively who a wolf is, vote for someone before the end of the day, watch the reactions, and then hope to deduce who an enemy was. But this required a lot of assumptions. 1: if I got lucky and my vote (in this case canadaguy) was in fact a wolf, the wolves would either immediately try to protect that person by diverting suspicion or 2: if that person was NOT a wolf, the wolves would ultimately land on voting for that person as a means to get *two* players killed. if canadaguy dies and ISNT a wolf, I'm dead one way or another. but heres the one that required some plans changing. 3: I had to assume that any townies with kill rules would be apprehensive about what role I am. I think it was TD that pointed out you guys had "narrowed it down to 17 possible roles". But Tommy took a shot. And now there's blood on my hands.

My strategy likely would have resulted in a townie sacrifice, it was a risk I was willing to take because I was (am) extremely confident we could've had a free course to the rest of the game if that happened. But I have no desire to lose this game, and more importantly, I don't want to RUIN peoples games. If I take another shot in the dark and potentially kill another townie, knowing it's probable I will also die from that strategy, thats 3 townies down (4 including Alu) and 3 of them are as a direct result of me. So THANKS @Tommy Boy you aggressive fuck, you've ruined everything.

So where do we stand?

I was never "trolling". Posts I made in this thread that WEREN'T game relevant were to be like "yeah, I'm here, I could very easily have been contributing, but I didnt want to/wasnt ready to yet."

But otherwise, TD was exactly right. I caused 14 pages of nonsense that I wasn't even apart of ON DAY 1, and there is a world of information at our finger tips now, and now it's our job (maybe mine, I have to clean up this mess afterall) to sort out the truths from the lies.

First order of business.

I change my vote to abstain and NO skip.

Second order of business, let's talk about some of the things you've all said, and t heorized, and accounted for.

And I wanna start with Ryan! and shortkut in particular.

You guys are so massively wrong that I'm leaning heavily to you both being wolves at this very moment.

The Solo Killer (whichever it is) *IS AN ASSET TO THE WOLVES AND TO THE TOWN*. The solo killer accelerates how fast townies may die for the wolves, but the solo isn't out to help the wolves either, so therefore he can be used to hurt the wolves either way. If I was the solo killer, this is not how I would have played it AT ALL. Why the fuck would I? The way I played I wanted you to think it was a possibility, but it's too big a risk to play that way as solo killer. I become too much of a target for EVERYONE in the game to get antsy about. (See: Tommy Boy, I made him antsy enough to attempt to dewolf me. Sorry buddy, next time.)

The fool is a threat to the town and PURE ASSET to the wolves. He's literally not a threat unless they're planning to try and lynch someone and don't know who the fool is. The fool will make it so ANY LYNCHING becomes a risk for the town (and for the wolves), but the wolves will know it's a risk, and can act accordingly, the town will not. If I was a wolf, and I knew for certain who was the fool, not only am I gonna want him alive, I'm gonna try and get the town to protect him at night too. Fools an asset, and should be towns number one priority to kill, not the wolves, not the solo, the wolves.

Townies lynching townies is part of the game, it's going to happen, but only the fool ends the game for them outright (whereas townie lynchings just make it a lot harder.)

If any of you, ANY of you have any faith in my ability at all, you'd have already ruled out that I am not the solo or the fool. Which means, whos coming out on top of this so far? TD. The voice of reason for this thread trying to stop you guys from making a HUGE mistake. TD is actively in protect the town mode, trying to talk people off making a HUGE mistake and therefore, I can't see how he'd be anything other than a member of the town. This (at least loosely) goes for anyone backing TD, including Vash and Dean.

Ryan and shortkut, you silly boys. There are two civilians gone already, but there are *SIX* enemies to a town win. SIX, not 4, not 4+1+1, there are 6. There are 6 players that can cause the town to lose. With 2 townies already down, thats 6 against 8, they're not bad odds that if you kill me I'm a bad guy, it's a safe attempt. But you are ignoring (either intentionally or ignorantly) that I am not a wolf. Which means there's a 2 in 14 chance I'm a bad guy, which is a lot LOT bigger reason to not risk putting me down and being wrong. You can sit there and claim your "reads" tell you you're right, and that that makes it worth the risk, but considering I can confirm (believe me or not) that your reads are DEAD WRONG, you are chancing 1 in 7 that you won't kill a townie. That's some sketchy shit, you're both WAY smarter than that, and I'm inclined to believe you're both wolves.

canadaguy... I'm torn. My vote for you WAS actually marginally suspicious, but I don't think you're a wolf right now, I think you might be what you were loosely claiming to be, because you are *EXACTLY* the type that would night 0 check me. And you may have every indication of what I am and am not.

Ants... Ants has had some super insightful posts in this thread (one at least I'll get to shortly.) And I'm conflicted. Ants could have been taking over my role from the other games, where you just tell the truth, analyze things objectively, and try to sort shit out from the chaos.

CLEARLY you mother fuckers are getting anxious and SOME people (probably wolves) are anxious to get past this post so that I don't give out too much on them. Curious, isn't it?

So here's what I'll do. There are people I'm HEAVILY HEAVILY suspicious of, and whatever this post causes, it's going to give us some answers. A lot of answers.

If you lynch me, you'll regret it (and not because I'm the fool, PLEASE give me some credit, I'm not that obvious a player.)

I'm making a play before the end of this day.

I probably left off a bunch of stuff because you fuckers were rushing me now, but enjoy.

At no point did I say you were obviously the Fool. In fact, I gave you full credit. I said you were playing the Fool for one of two reasons. Either to get the Wolves off your back entirely and view you as an asset because you had some vital role, or because you were the RK and wanted to make it so we wouldn't lynch you at all and wouldn't use a townie resource on you. As it stands, I'm fully in favor of lynching you because I don't believe for a second you would be so obvious to actually play the Fool that way. I only suggested using our Gunner and protecting them in hopes of no Berserker because people are apprehensive to vote with the Fool at play. The fact is, we need to act. We are down two. By tomorrow, we could be down another two or even three, if we're dealing with an Arsonist.

Maybe you changed up strategies. Maybe this is something new. You certainly looked to gain a ton of sympathy points in that post saying you outright caused some deaths. And hey, maybe your strategy will pay off and people will follow along because you gave them a feel good moment. I'm not buying it. I do not trust you one bit. I think you're just holding a set of keys with your left hand to distract us while you knife someone with the other.

At this point, I'm really considering just changing my vote to you and going No Skip so everyone else can expose you.

 

[shortkut]

and? you didn't answer my question. I already admitted to Tommy's blood being on my hands.

but you haven't answered why you were underwhelmed?

Because I was typing my post when you made that post

You also don’t mention your conclusions or even strong suspicions like you normally do. This was just a long wish-washy post with little substance or conclusions

 

[Cole]

Because I was typing my post when you made that post

You also don’t mention your conclusions or even strong suspicions like you normally do. This was just a long wish-washy post with little substance or conclusions

you guys tried to fucking skip my post you mook.

I had to stop typing so that you guys would wait.

 

[Cole]

your "reasons" as to why my post was underwhelming are more and more suspicious

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (7 required):

canadaguy - 1 (Fool's Requiem)
TD - 2 (shortkut, canadaguy)
Warp - 2 (TD, Ryan!)

No vote - Raposa, Benzine, VashTheStampede, Ants!, Dean, Tubby23, Cole, Holly, Warp

Votes to skip (13 required):

Skip - 7 (Raposa, Fool's Requiem, TD, Holly, shortkut, canadaguy, Warp)

No vote - Benzine, Ants!, Dean, Cole, VashTheStampede, Tubby23, Ryan!

 

[Cole]

At no point did I say you were obviously the Fool. In fact, I gave you full credit. I said you were playing the Fool for one of two reasons. Either to get the Wolves off your back entirely and view you as an asset because you had some vital role, or because you were the RK and wanted to make it so we wouldn't lynch you at all and wouldn't use a townie resource on you. As it stands, I'm fully in favor of lynching you because I don't believe for a second you would be so obvious to actually play the Fool that way. I only suggested using our Gunner and protecting them in hopes of no Berserker because people are apprehensive to vote with the Fool at play. The fact is, we need to act. We are down two. By tomorrow, we could be down another two or even three, if we're dealing with an Arsonist.

Maybe you changed up strategies. Maybe this is something new. You certainly looked to gain a ton of sympathy points in that post saying you outright caused some deaths. And hey, maybe your strategy will pay off and people will follow along because you gave them a feel good moment. I'm not buying it. I do not trust you one bit. I think you're just holding a set of keys with your left hand to distract us while you knife someone with the other.

At this point, I'm really considering just changing my vote to you and going No Skip so everyone else can expose you.

actually you guaranteed a few times I was the enemy of the town and demanded the gunner take me out. despite TD very calmly and rationally explaining why that's a bad idea.

 

[shortkut]

I didn't heavily imply any thing, that was the interpretstion, and even with that in mind, I had hoped no one would take the chance without knowing.

you're leading me to believe I found my wolf.

To suggest you didn’t imply anything is utterly foolish.

If you think I’m a wolf, reread my posts again. I told you exactly who I was and what I did and what if anything I uncovered. If you still think I’m a threat to you, then you’re not as good at this game as you think you are

 

[VashTheStampede]

At this point I can't trust anything Cole says. He's proving to be a liability more than an asset.

Gunner could shoot his shot here and I wouldn't complain.

 

[shortkut]

your "reasons" as to why my post was underwhelming are more and more suspicious

I’m just teasing you because you take pride in your assessments and this one was shitty

 

[Cole]

I’m just teasing you because you take pride in your assessments and this one was shitty

no you're not. YOU GUYS forced my post to come out faster than it was ready.

 

[Cole]

At this point I can't trust anything Cole says. He's proving to be a liability more than an asset.

Gunner could shoot his shot here and I wouldn't complain.

is this what you want, Vash?

 

[Ryan!]

actually you guaranteed a few times I was the enemy of the town and demanded the gunner take me out. despite TD very calmly and rationally explaining why that's a bad idea.

I very strongly believe you to be an enemy of the town. I stated to use the Gunner because of all the talk of the Fool at play and no one being willing to do what was necessary to give us our win. I am perfectly fine with lynching you. I know you aren't stupid. I know you plan things very carefully.

Voting Cole

 

[shortkut]

actually you guaranteed a few times I was the enemy of the town and demanded the gunner take me out. despite TD very calmly and rationally explaining why that's a bad idea.

As did I. I was and still am convinced you have an unknown aura. Most of the first day I thought you were alpha wolf or RK, so the gunner taking you out would have been a good move

 

[VashTheStampede]

is this what you want, Vash?

Maybe it is. Maybe I'm just trying to see what happens when I say it.

Hard to say.

 

[Cole]

I very strongly believe you to be an enemy of the town. I stated to use the Gunner because of all the talk of the Fool at play and no one being willing to do what was necessary to give us our win. I am perfectly fine with lynching you. I know you aren't stupid. I know you plan things very carefully.

Voting Cole

alright bet.

There are 6 badguys, and 8 townies. I'm one of the townies. That gives me a nearly 50/50 shot of being right even if my read is dead wrong.

COLEMAN SHOOTS RYAN!

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (7 required):

canadaguy - 1 (Fool's Requiem)
TD - 2 (shortkut, canadaguy)
Warp - 1 (TD)
Cole - 1 (Ryan!)

No vote - Raposa, Benzine, VashTheStampede, Ants!, Dean, Tubby23, Cole, Holly, Warp

Votes to skip (13 required):

Skip - 7 (Raposa, Fool's Requiem, TD, Holly, shortkut, canadaguy, Warp)

No vote - Benzine, Ants!, Dean, Cole, VashTheStampede, Tubby23, Ryan!

 

[shortkut]

no you're not. YOU GUYS forced my post to come out faster than it was ready.

It happens to lots of guys, honest

 

[Zell 17]

alright bet.

There are 6 badguys, and 8 townies. I'm one of the townies. That gives me a nearly 50/50 shot of being right even if my read is dead wrong.

COLEMAN SHOOTS RYAN!

Cole shoots Ryan! Cole is The Gunner.

@Ryan! is dead. Ryan! was the Fool.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Just like I planned it

 

[Cole]

Get fucking fucked.

Tell me I'm wrong agian, boys.

I DARE YOU

 

[Cole]

Whos next?

Can we lynch a wolf today?

Highest on my list would be shortkut.

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (6 required):

canadaguy - 1 (Fool's Requiem)
TD - 2 (shortkut, canadaguy)
Warp - 1 (TD)

No vote - Raposa, Benzine, VashTheStampede, Ants!, Dean, Tubby23, Cole, Holly, Warp

Votes to skip (12 required):

Skip - 7 (Raposa, Fool's Requiem, TD, Holly, shortkut, canadaguy, Warp)

No vote - Benzine, Ants!, Dean, Cole, VashTheStampede, Tubby23

 

[canadaguy]

Get fucking fucked.

Tell me I'm wrong agian, boys.

I DARE YOU

Holy fuck

 

[VashTheStampede]

Behind, chef

 

[VashTheStampede]

Gonna ride the hot hand

shortkut

 

[Cole]

boys WE ARE NOT DONE.

we can 100% lynch a wolf today.

 

[shortkut]

Get fucking fucked.

Tell me I'm wrong agian, boys.

I DARE YOU

I did call you the gunner somewhere when you said the gunner knows who you are.

Seriously @Cole , reread my early posts and decide if you want me alive or dead

 

[Cole]

I did call you the gunner somewhere when you said the gunner knows who you are.

Seriously @Cole , reread my early posts and decide if you want me alive or dead

so far I want you dead.

tell me why I shouldn't?

why should I do the leg work?

defend yourself.

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (6 required):

canadaguy - 1 (Fool's Requiem)
TD - 2 (shortkut, canadaguy)
Warp - 1 (TD)
shortkut - 1 (VashTheStampede)

No vote - Raposa, Benzine, Ants!, Dean, Tubby23, Cole, Holly, Warp

Votes to skip (12 required):

Skip - 7 (Raposa, Fool's Requiem, TD, Holly, shortkut, canadaguy, Warp)

No vote - Benzine, Ants!, Dean, Cole, VashTheStampede, Tubby23

 

[shortkut]

Get fucking fucked.

Tell me I'm wrong agian, boys.

I DARE YOU

Whos next?

Can we lynch a wolf today?

Highest on my list would be shortkut.

 

[Cole]

also btw, I know protecting me is a risk, I'm fully aware of that. we can hope the berseker isn't in play, but even then it's a risk.

I will do as much analysis as I can today to help the town.

 

[Raine]

That's consistent with what Cole and CG were doing/saying before.

Gotta stress that we have two people in need of protection here in the night phase. I would say CG has a higher priority level than Cole, in terms of lasting role usefulness.

As for the wolves - in terms of good ol' fashioned shenanigans, gotta point out that Fool's Requiem was damn fast to jump onto that train and is currently the only one still voting for for CG. He's also the type that consistently hides, as does Benzine, so... take that for what you will.

 

[shortkut]

Alpha wolf?


Changing vote to @TD because fuck you, that’s why

Last game there were two witches so I’m assuming duplicates are possible here

If I had a night role, I would have targeted you just like I did In the previous game

I don’t think he’s the tough guy

so far I want you dead.

tell me why I shouldn't?

why should I do the leg work?

defend yourself.

I have well over 76 posts here, but this is a sampling that should make it painfully obvious to you and everyone else

 

[Dean]

Wow. Trying to catch up on lunch break. Good job, Cole.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Voting for who the fuck knows

 

[TD]

@Cole

First - great post. Ryan was screaming fool (I also called it a while back). Well done.

No Skip

Let's do this.

 

[Dean]

We got 9 hours to lynch a wolf. I'm gonna be sporadic till after 5:30-6 pm.

 

[Cole]

Gotta stress that we have two people in need of protection here in the night phase. I would say CG has a higher priority level than Cole, in terms of lasting role usefulness.

except you don't know for sure cg is even a townie, but you know I am.

also, I have a second bullet. if I am alive tomorrow I intend to use it

 

[shortkut]

Jailer should protect Cole tonight

 

[Tubby23]

Well done Cole, that was definitely worth the wait

 

[Ants!]

FUCKING EPIC!!!! Proof Coleman is townie and his intuition is something else.

Voting shortkut

 

[Raine]

except you don't know for sure cg is even a townie, but you know I am.

also, I have a second bullet. if I am alive tomorrow I intend to use it

Right. But between you, CG and shortkut's posts somewhere in the depths of this behemoth of a thread, there were some... we'll be generous and call them subtle role claims.

That I don't want to point out specifically again right now. Because of the likelihood that most, if not all, are pro-town.

 

[TD]

Jailer should protect Cole tonight

Exactly what a wolf crew with a berserker would say.

I'm going back to my initial feeling.

I vote shortkut.

 

[Ants!]

Also, how funny is it that we were asking Coleman to shoot himself