FQ Wolf FQ Wolf Vol. 2 Discussion

[Kat]

My two cents is that this is basically the problem, yeah.

The argument for Night 0 is that that's the only way to get information, else we're functionally just shitposting.

The argument against Night 0 is that it deprives someone from being allowed to play, which does kind of suck.

A compromise solution, then, may be to not allow people to die on Night 0 - but to have a series of actions that are made public. It's... tricky, but I'm thinking if not actual Role Actions, perhaps a (very) brief questionnaire? I mean still functionally shitposting, but in a potentially constructive way?

I don't know, it's Saturday and I've been out of bed for like 20 minutes. Just a thought.

I feel like a badge for being killed night 0 helps counter the not getting to play. Plus there are so many games running back to back that you're not missing out on that much. So long as the same people don't get picked on repeatedly, it should be fine. Maybe we can agree to an unofficial policy of not killing someone who was killed early or didn't play in the previous game?

 

[Raine]

I feel like a badge for being killed night 0 helps counter the not getting to play. Plus there are so many games running back to back that you're not missing out on that much. So long as the same people don't get picked on repeatedly, it should be fine. Maybe we can agree to an unofficial policy of not killing someone who was killed early or didn't play in the previous game?

I began to go down that path, but then: If you're limiting what someone can choose from, you're also limiting what information you can glean from it and sort of missing the point.

Like, hypothetically speaking, if some ass backwards alignment happened wherein I'm a wolf calling the shots/wielding more influence than others... I'm never killing Cole, shortkut, et al, Night 0. Anyone that knows me knows that and I get a little higher on their suspicions list. But if everyone is taking out, I don't know, Local Hero or Killface Night 0 because they have to...

 

[Zell 17]

I began to go down that path, but then: If you're limiting what someone can choose from, you're also limiting what information you can glean from it and sort of missing the point.

Like, hypothetically speaking, if some ass backwards alignment happened wherein I'm a wolf calling the shots/wielding more influence than others... I'm never killing Cole, shortkut, et al, Night 0. Anyone that knows me knows that and I get a little higher on their suspicions list. But if everyone is taking out, I don't know, Local Hero or Killface Night 0 because they have to...

At least in my games going forward im getting rid of the targeting night 1. You won’t know who you are using your actions on.

 

[Raine]

At least in my games going forward im getting rid of the targeting night 1. You won’t know who you are using your actions on.

That will at least address the immediate problem of certain people literally not being able to play specific roles. I don't have time to participate for a little while, but I'll be interested to see the results.

I might theorycraft something at some point, maybe attempt to whip up an actual game on it. Worst-case scenario it ends up being a complete disaster and will be an entertaining afternoon lark.

 

[shortkut]

At least in my games going forward im getting rid of the targeting night 1. You won’t know who you are using your actions on.

That’s cool. You could do a game with no night targeting at all and see what happens

 

[Zell 17]

That’s cool. You could do a game with no night targeting at all and see what happens

I cant

 

[shortkut]

I cant

Not with that attitude you can’t

 

[TD]

At least in my games going forward im getting rid of the targeting night 1. You won’t know who you are using your actions on.

How would this work?
You just get a random read back kind of deal? What about kill and protection roles?

 

[shortkut]

How would this work?
You just get a random read back kind of deal? What about kill and protection roles?

I like the idea of this for every night

 

[Zell 17]

How would this work?
You just get a random read back kind of deal? What about kill and protection roles?

Night 1 everyone will be told their role and their number (1-16, randomly given). All people with night roles can choose to target a specific number, not knowing who it is. Day 1 I’ll announce what number belong to which players and then we proceed as usual.

 

[VashTheStampede]

That's quite clever.

 

[TD]

Night 1 everyone will be told their role and their number (1-16, randomly given). All people with night roles can choose to target a specific number, not knowing who it is. Day 1 I’ll announce what number belong to which players and then we proceed as usual.

I assume you won't end up targeting yourself?

 

[VashTheStampede]

I assume you won't end up targeting yourself?

Super Priest

 

[Zell 17]

I assume you won't end up targeting yourself?

You’d be told your own number so would be kinda dumb

 

[VashTheStampede]

You’d be told your own number so would be kinda dumb

Super Duper Priest

 

[TD]

You’d be told your own number so would be kinda dumb

Got it! Didn't realize you'd be told your own number and was concerned with being given 1-16.

 

[shortkut]

You’d be told your own number so would be kinda dumb

So now the detective can actually investigate themselves and someone else to see if they’re on the same team

 

[Zell 17]

So now the detective can actually investigate themselves and someone else to see if they’re on the same team

Nope

 

[shortkut]

Nope

The the answer to the question about targeting ourselves isn’t that it would be dumb, but a simple “no”

 

[Zell 17]

The the answer to the question about targeting ourselves isn’t that it would be dumb, but a simple “no”

But some roles CAN target themselves

 

[shortkut]

But some roles CAN target themselves

So the detective is inspector clouseau?

 

[Zell 17]

So the detective is inspector clouseau?

The detective follows two people to see if they like each other.

Nobody likes the detective.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Detective sending a wolf a piece of paper

"DO U LIKE ME?

___ Y

___ N"

 

[Ants!]

Detective sending a wolf a piece of paper

"DO U LIKE ME?

___ Y

___ N"

 

[canadaguy]

Should I join this one?

 

[Zell 17]

Should I join this one?

Yes

 

[Ants!]

Should I join this one?

Protect canadaguy

 

[shortkut]

Detective sending a wolf a piece of paper

"DO U LIKE ME?

___ Y

___ N"

 

[Tubby23]

Protect canadaguy

That's it I'm with shortkut, vote Ants

 

[canadaguy]

Alright then you goobers

 

[shortkut]

That's it I'm with shortkut, vote Ants

Depending on my role, my first post in Zell’s next game will be: shoots/waters/votes @Ants!

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Just in case, I'm still down to play.

 

[A Punched Face]

Depending on my role, my first post in Zell’s next game will be: shoots/waters/votes @Ants!

There are two shiny new badges (well, one shiny and one not shiny) up for grabs!


But not in this game because there's no priest.

 

[shortkut]

There are two shiny new badges (well, one shiny and one not shiny) up for grabs!


But not in this game because there's no priest.

We’ve only had one FQ game, so I feel I need to save this action for another Zell game

 

[A Punched Face]

We’ve only had one FQ game, so I feel I need to save this action for another Zell game

Lights Match

...wait what?

 

[Cole]

night 0 is stupid imo

I'd rather everyone get a day to play at least before someone's dead even if that means the first day is less likely to result in a successful lynch.

day 1 voting is still dumb unless people are sure with or without night 0

 

[Tubby23]

night 0 is stupid imo

I'd rather everyone get a day to play at least before someone's dead even if that means the first day is less likely to result in a successful lynch.

day 1 voting is still dumb unless people are sure with or without night 0

Everyone getting a chance to play is the best way to play I think.

Is it great as a wolf to have someone off the board night 0 sure, but I'm playing for fun and if it means I get to have more fun with more people I'm all for no Night 0

 

[canadaguy]

night 0 is stupid imo

Night 0 is easier to live with when we have the dead forum and resurrection roles, but without those it's got to fucking suck dying without even a chance to play

 

[Cole]

Night 0 is easier to live with when we have the dead forum and resurrection roles, but without those it's got to fucking suck dying without even a chance to play

even then, it might make it more tolerable, I still prefer no night 0 whether I'm wolf or town

 

[Ants!]

I just don’t see the point because nobody wants to vote before a kill is made anyway, and anyone who argues for it becomes sus. Just seems like a waste of time and effort to me.

 

[Cole]

I just don’t see the point because nobody wants to vote before a kill is made anyway, and anyone who argues for it becomes sus. Just seems like a waste of time and effort to me.

not if you know what to look for. I'm 3 for 2 on day 1s as townie lol

 

[Tubby23]

Mandatory Day 1 vote for the anarchy, anyone who gets 4 votes is gone

 

[Ants!]

I mean do we have no information on day 1, or we have plenty of information? I’ve heard it both ways, sometimes from the same people.

 

[Tubby23]

If we vote Ants we will get all the information we need

 

[Cole]

I mean do we have no information on day 1, or we have plenty of information? I’ve heard it both ways, sometimes from the same people.

there's no information until there's information.

but that doesn't require night kills

 

[Ants!]

If we vote Ants we will get all the information we need

Bring it bitch!

there's no information until there's information.

but that doesn't require night kills

Fair enough.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

night 0 is stupid imo

I'd rather everyone get a day to play at least before someone's dead even if that means the first day is less likely to result in a successful lynch.

day 1 voting is still dumb unless people are sure with or without night 0

What's the point of having a day 1 that you're not going to vote in if there's no night 0?

Among Us doesn't start with a meeting, it starts off with everyone in the dropship and then splitting up to do tasks or kill their friends.

It makes no sense to have any discussion or voting if absolutely nothing occurs and no info is gained by some players.

 

[Local Hero]

What about night 0, no kills allowed? Only info actions, no murder

 

[Tubby23]

And no protections? Or yes protection?

 

[shortkut]

And no protections? Or yes protection?

If there are no kills, no protection would be needed