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Ben Wulf 1 - Day Phase #2

Who is guilty? 3 needed.

  • A Punched Face

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  • Benzine

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  • Christina

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  • Jon

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  • shortkut

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I just realized we’re in a bad place

@Benzine @Jawneh @Quagmire @shortkut - one of us is getting killed today and another overnight. 1 is confirmed town and 1 more can become town

If the 4 of us vote no kill and do not use the gun, we all live to see another day

Alternatively, Jawneh can splash now and then we can know who is who and end the game
 

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If we have a spent headhunter then they would definitely shoot. None of the others are guaranteed to do so. They should probably conspire to make the town lose in all honesty. So the best bet is putting a confirmed townie in with one of them to take care of it. That's why I want to know what people are so I can choose the best one to prevent from using their actual power at night.
 

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Doesn't have to be a gun. Alu gets to choose the weapon!

You wouldn't kill the other person?
Depends on what they would do with you. I was 100% going to kill whomever I am jailed with, but @Jon had to go and repeatedly point out that I wouldn’t win while you’re alive regardless of anything else
 

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If we have a spent headhunter then they would definitely shoot. None of the others are guaranteed to do so. They should probably conspire to make the town lose in all honesty. So the best bet is putting a confirmed townie in with one of them to take care of it. That's why I want to know what people are so I can choose the best one to prevent from using their actual power at night.
If you jail Jon that would mean he is stuck being a Gunner with no bullets?
 

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I just realized we’re in a bad place

@Benzine @Jawneh @Quagmire @shortkut - one of us is getting killed today and another overnight. 1 is confirmed town and 1 more can become town

If the 4 of us vote no kill and do not use the gun, we all live to see another day

Alternatively, Jawneh can splash now and then we can know who is who and end the game
Why would a townie choose to lose the game?
 

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Why would the townie, when given a gun, not yet it against a confirmed not townie?
I was saying they shouldn’t vote to kill now. The no gun was for the solos/wolf. There is no guarantee you will give the gun to a townie, so the townie could be shot overnight. This ceasefire gives Jawneh and Christina time to do their things with their roles
 
I just realized we’re in a bad place

@Benzine @Jawneh @Quagmire @shortkut - one of us is getting killed today and another overnight. 1 is confirmed town and 1 more can become town

If the 4 of us vote no kill and do not use the gun, we all live to see another day

Alternatively, Jawneh can splash now and then we can know who is who and end the game

I think Jawneh should splash, otherwise I think he's buying time for himself
 
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Let's think about it this way. What happens if Jawneh doesn't splash, and we don't lynch? I jail a confirmed townie with a confirmed baddie. That townie kills the baddie over night. If it was the wolf, great, we still have a 4-2 advantage and the arsonist can't douse tonight. If it's the arsonist, we have a 3-2 advantage and still have a priest available (if there is a priest), but regardless, the numbers.

If we lynch today, we'll have an even better shot of getting the wolf through either a lynch or gunshot, or just better numbers for tomorrow.

Why are we pressing so hard to have a potential swing and a miss today?
 

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Say he can splash and misses the wolf. That narrows the wolf down to 2 people. If we jail both of those people we know the wolf can't kill anybody. Say whoever we put in with wolf doesn't kill the wolf. Nothing happens. No gasoline. We all sleep good.

Tomorrow there are 3 townies, 1 wolf, 1 killers, 1 solo. The best they can do is tie the vote. No lynch. We could go round and round with this.
 

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Say he can splash and misses the wolf. That narrows the wolf down to 2 people. If we jail both of those people we know the wolf can't kill anybody. Say whoever we put in with wolf doesn't kill the wolf. Nothing happens. No gasoline. We all sleep good.

Tomorrow there are 3 townies, 1 wolf, 1 killers, 1 solo. The best they can do is tie the vote. No lynch. We could go round and round with this.
I can't jail the same person two nights in a row and that would lead us to losing if we tie. The wolf would get to kill the following night and the arsonist would get to douse.
 

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Arsonist can't do anything tonight, can the arsonist douse one and then light them on fire the same night or is it they must have douse two or ignite?
Doesn't matter in the scenario outlined above, because they wouldn't be able to be killed in jail or lynched for consecutive nights moving forward at that point.

But they can only do one action, douse or light.
 

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So jail you! Protection and a weapon!
I am their biggest threat after Alu.

Arsonist can't do anything tonight, can the arsonist douse one and then light them on fire the same night or is it they must have douse two or ignite?
Arso was given the "can't take action tonight" penalty because they weren't supposed to be able to trigger the fire this morning.
 

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I've been saying this.

I don't think him missing and killing himself is THAT detrimental. If we play our cards right, we should still win.
How would we still win if the non townies decide to act together? We wouldn't be able to guarantee I grab the wolf and prevent the night kill while also making sure a bad person is killed. We could go into tomorrow 3-2 with the wolf down, or we could go in 2-2 with some other bad person down.
 

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Before I start laying down a long post of how things can be easy and safe, remember that all the folks Alu jails can't use their night actions. So if he jails a wolf or arsonist, there wont be any kills or douses from them.

Also when it comes to kut and Quagmire, obviously more of us are on board kut being some flavor of a solo voter. Whether he's a HH or cupid makes no difference. What we can all agree on is Quagmire being a fibber. Hence why I'm saying to lynch him. He's not town for sure and seems more like to be a bad dong than kut.

If we lynch Quagmire and find that he's the arsonist, the wolf is between me and Benzine. Or if he's the wolf, then arsonist is between us. Frankly at that point it's up to Alu to decide who gets to kill who in jail, but at worst we lynch the other person tomorrow. Regardless, there wont be any advances towards killing town during the night. At worst cupid shenanigans, but until we have a cupid body in front of us or a dead couple, we can only guess. Anyone arguing against a very clear plan for a town W would indicate they're trying to sway us to do something into their advantage.

And to argue against Benzine, when he came out to saying he's a seer's apprentice, at that point he should've already been upgraded to a detective, but made no mention of that then and there. Honest mistake? Sure, but could've also been a slip up.


But hey. I can splash Benzine. If we go that route, then lynch Quagmire, jail Benzine with either Jon or Christina, and kill Benzine in jail. If there's some cupid shenanigans, it'll be up to y'all to figure out if there's voting blocks.
 

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So why 100% die when you can only 50% die?
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I guess the last point I can make, between all the folks here, I'm the only one who has given any kind of plan of action for a town W, where as everyone else is just kut or telling me to splash and potentially die.
 
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