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Eberflus basically admitted that Caleb made the right choice to change the play after the clock hit 12 seconds and taking a shot at a deep play. He didn't say "Caleb", he said "we" as if he was the involved in the attempt to save the game that he basically threw.

 

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Eberflus basically admitted that Caleb made the right choice to change the play after the clock hit 12 seconds and taking a shot at a deep play. He didn't say "Caleb", he said "we" as if he was the involved in the attempt to save the game that he basically threw.

This guy... he has to be the most oblivious coach in the NFL
 

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People on Reddit are speculating that he was attempting to blame Caleb without naming him.
Blame him for what?! You're the dumbass that didn't call a timeout! You're OC is the dumbass that didn't have a play in and wasted 15 seconds!

WHEN YOU WERE 5 YARDS FROM A GAME TYING FG ATTEMPT!

Blaming anyone but yourself should be grounds for dismissal before the night ends, never mind tomorrow or Monday.
 
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Blame him for what?! You're the dumbass that didn't call a timeout! You're OC is the dumbass that didn't have a play in and wasted 15 seconds!

WHEN YOU WERE 5 YARDS FROM A GAME TYING FG ATTEMPT!

Blaming anyone but yourself should be grounds for dismissal before the night ends, never mind tomorrow or Monday.
the dipshit is trying to save his job by placing blame elsewhere.

Wonder if he'll go on a Hue Jackson "Blame everyone but me" tour after he gets fired.
 

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the dipshit is trying to save his job by placing blame elsewhere.

Wonder if he'll go on a Hue Jackson "Blame everyone but me" tour after he gets fired.
He was lucky he got another year after the shitshow he's had for 3 years. It'll fall on deaf ears. I don't know one person that's ever said "I like Matt Eberflus. He's a good head coach."
 

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Eberflus is gone.
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I feel like the Raiders got hosed on that last play. Yes, the center fucked up, that I feel like that was a pre-snap penalty, and them blew the play dead before the Chiefs recovered the ball. I don't know how you give the Chiefs the ball there...
If it was literally ANY other team, it would have.

You saw it on Mahomes' face, even he know they hosed the Raiders.

The Chiefs cannot lose at home with Taylor Swift in the building. The refs will always control it.
 
He is.

But was it a false start when the entire team went on the count? The QB was clapping his hands, which is generally the hurry up signal to the guard to tell the center to snap it. The QB got a late call from the coach, and in the midst of surveying the set up, inadvertently started the snap sequence.

It was inexperience on O'Connell and a terrible job by the play caller. I don't think it was a false start, but it sounded like the play was blown dead before the recovery. It's one of those plays that seems to happen when the Patriots were winning and now the Chiefs are getting.
 
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Yes, but it’s been pretty well documented why there is a perception that the Chiefs get all the calls when it’s really not statistically any different from any other team
They definitely got that call.... the play was signaled dead by the line judge and thus anything after the snap shouldn't have counted.
 
After watching the replay, the whistle appears to sound when Bolton has already fallen on the ball, or at worst, simultaneously with him falling on the ball. You can see the official on the line of scrimmage at the top of the screen throw his flag and start to run onto the field at the snap. He then puts his whistle to his mouth and blows while signaling the the play dead and then makes a false start motion with his hands. The official on the line of scrimmage at the bottom of the screen throws his flag at the snap and stays put. He is likely the one who determined it was an illegal shift.

They conferred and decided the illegal shift was the correct call. From what I have read, if the clock is running at the snap, illegal shift becomes a false start. In this case, the clock was not running at the snap (the Raiders spiked the ball on the previous play), so it remains a live ball penalty, and the play can continue.

Even though the top-of-screen official was trying to blow the play dead, the play had already occurred by the time he blew his whistle. It had no bearing on what any of the players did because the fumble and recovery had already happened. That combined with the fact that him blowing the play dead was in relation to a penalty that was not called (the correct penalty of illegal shift was ultimately called) essentially makes the whistle/blown dead aspect moot.

While it was sloppy, in the end they they seem to have gotten it right. I am a Chiefs fan, but I would have come to this same conclusion regardless of who the teams were. If anything, the Chiefs nearly got a bad break due one of the officials making the wrong penalty call.
 
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I'm fine with them changing the penalty to an illegal shift, but if the play is blown dead right after the snap, you can't just say "Oh, pretend we didn't signal dead ball." There were numerous times where refs seemed to call the play dead too early in the past leaving big plays off the board. There needs to be consistency. Either everything after a ref signals dead ball is irrelevant, or you let the play happen. You shouldn't pick and choose.
 
I'm fine with them changing the penalty to an illegal shift, but if the play is blown dead right after the snap, you can't just say "Oh, pretend we didn't signal dead ball." There were numerous times where refs seemed to call the play dead too early in the past leaving big plays off the board. There needs to be consistency. Either everything after a ref signals dead ball is irrelevant, or you let the play happen. You shouldn't pick and choose.
I hear you. And it was definitely an odd situation. I'm not an expert on what the rules state for every instance of a play being blown dead regarding which ones are allowed to have the result of the play count. I do know that you can award the ball to the other team if there is a clear recovery of a fumble after a play is blown dead due to a runner being initially ruled down by contact (if by replay it is determined he was not down before the fumble).

On this particular play, it happened so fast that his whistle was effectively late. He did run onto the field immediately with the intention of blowing it dead and likely to call a false start, but his call was overruled and the outcome of the play wasn't affected by his whistle. I just think from a practical perspective the play should count. Now, if there is some rule that a play is immediately dead once an official determines there was a pre-snap penalty, such as a false start (regardless of how quickly he blows it dead and regardless of it being the wrong call), then I can see the argument.
 

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I can’t tell if you guys are actually serious or not.
Yeah, I'm serious.

The Chiefs have benefitted from game winning calls THREE times this season. Add that ridiculous blocked game winning kick and their record should not be 11-1.

This one against the Raiders, is just the latest in a line of them. This one actually was correct, so it's not as egregious as the others they've had this year. But as soon as it happened, it was obvious as fuck the call was going their way. Even Mahomes' face new it. The Chiefs, feel fraudulent this year. And I'm hoping Baltimore, Buffalo or any other team gets off their ass and shows them.

As a former Patriots fan, I understand why the dynasty thing is so annoying to every other fan base. But the Patriots were criminalized by the league (when they weren't actually guilty of anything). The Chiefs are beloved, and Taylor Swift being involved now has made them the darlings. And it's annoying as fuck.
 

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Spygate? Deflategate?
Every single team was doing what they were accused of in Spygate. Mangini was a little bitch that couldn't beat Belichick and he knew it. Plus, it was NOT that they were recording, it was WHERE they were recording from. Nothing they did was technically against the rules, except where the video was taken from, and they were punished for that. They could have fined any number of teams for that exact infraction. They made it the Patriots.

Deflategate is the biggest, most stupid controversy in the history of sports, brought on by the fact the Colts were getting their tires blown off. SCIENCE proved the Patriots did nothing wrong, and that's why the proof from the testing was destroyed.

So I stand by what I said. They villainized the Patriots for things they weren't really guilty of. The fact Brady was suspended four games for that was laughable. IMAGING the NFL suspending Mahomes for supposedly letting air out of the balls...
 

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TLaw got laid out by one of the most bullshit and intentional hits I've seen.



I saw a replay that showed the play an angle that shows him lifting his arm and gritting his teeth like he was trying to hurt Lawrence.

Dude needs a multi-game suspension for that shit.

You'd think he was playing for the Saints.
 
The Chiefs have benefitted from game winning calls THREE times this season. Add that ridiculous blocked game winning kick and their record should not be 11-1.
You can't really compare benefitting from officiating against game-winning plays. Sure, if they didn't block the field goal against the Broncos, they would have a worse record, but you could cherry-pick any game-winning play from a game and say if it didn't happen, the outcome would be different.

Also, I know we've all moved on from the previous discussion, but I was out of town until today, so I just wanted to revisit why the majority of the internet has developed some unwarranted hate for the Chiefs.

There are basically 3 reasons why there's a perception that teams like the Chiefs (and formerly the Patriots) get all of the calls:

1. The Chiefs play more primetime and standalone games than anyone. This means that everyone sees more Chiefs games than anyone. This includes the playoffs too, where you see 2-4 Chiefs games per year, instead of 0-2 for other teams. I used to watch the Chiefs when they were terrible, and I can assure you that nobody remembers anything from those games other than Chiefs fans.

2. Chiefs games are basically always meaningful. If there's a questionable call in a Browns/Jags game, people will talk about it for the day and then move on because the game is meaningless. On the other hand, because the Chiefs are relevant all season, people will bring up plays from week 1 all the way through the Super Bowl.

3. This is possibly the biggest point but the Chiefs just win games, and when you win games, people forget the bad calls against you and remember the bad calls against the other team. Not many people here remember the sack/forced fumble in the Chiefs/Titans playoff game in the Alex Smith era where we had a breakaway defensive TD and it was ruled "forward progress was stopped" even though it was a regular sack (so we didn't get the ball). Or another example is in a Raiders game a few years ago, Chris Jones literally took the ball away from the Raiders QB in the middle of a sack and was somehow called for roughing the passer, even though he was the ballcarrier.
 

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There are basically 3 reasons why there's a perception that teams like the Chiefs (and formerly the Patriots) get all of the calls:
The Patriots didn't get any calls the way the Chiefs do. The Patriots were villainized. The Chiefs are glorified.

1) That's a result of two things: success and Taylor Swift. The Patriots had plenty of prime time games in they streak. I remember because I was frustrated how many times a season I had to stay up late on work nights to watch them. This really isn't a strong supporting point, because the way the NFL is, even not on prime time games, visibility on things like that are front and center. I do hear the point though.

2) Again, I don't think this is strong in support. People tuned in to the Patriots just to watch them lose. Same with the Cowboys way back when. The point is they tend to be on the losing precipice more often than others and they get some crazy level of support. Usually from the refs. I'm not putting the refs bailing them out in the same breath as the blocked kick to diminish it. It is the one they actually earned. I just put them together because they shouldn't be 11-1. They should be 7-5, or 8-4. They've been directly bailed out to get a bye, and the narrative is because they need to make sure they get home field so Taylor can be shown more. Whether or not it's true, that's the optics.

3) This one?



Because this is STILL him driving his body weight onto the QB, which is roughing the passer by the rule. That occurs during the fumble. What should he do? Grab the ball and roll to his side, not use the QB as a cushion.

This falls into the same category as the call Friday and even way back to the Tuck Rule. It's properly called by the rules. We just don't like it.

Again, everything you've said applied to the Patriots and Cowboys before them. The difference is the NUMBER of calls bailing them out, right or wrong, are going to be scrutinized more.

And it's made worse by the fact the Chiefs are not good this year. Their defense is good, top 10. But they are middle of the road or worse in pass AND rush offense. Their pass defense has gotten progressively worse as the year has gone on, and they wouldn't be winning these games if NOT for these calls. They should not be ahead of Baltimore. Hell, Pittsburgh is better than them.

Take the Bengals. A MUCH better team than their record shows and they are out of the playoffs. They've also had several calls go AGAINST them, in the way KC has had them. Today even. A bogus false start (it was a CLEAR AS DAY offsides/encroachment) cost them a chance at a comeback.

Either way, the NFC is MUCH better than KC. And if it isn't Baltimore/Detroit in the Super Bowl, then I will die on the "NFL made this happen" hill.
 

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panthers get an overtime stop, an incredible one handed catch on a third down to move into field goal range, and then immediately fumble it away. classic
I was both happy and sad at that moment. The Hubbard fumble helped Thielan not get more points and Hubbard lose points, both helped me tremendously. Then Baker and Evans getting more was also helpful to me lol
 
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Imagine what the Browns would have been like had they gone to Winston earlier instead of blindly staying with Rapey McAsshole?
They'd be in the playoff picture a little more, but still wouldn't have a winning record. The run game as been abysmal. The scheme doesn't seemed designed to benefit the run game. Chubb was running right into walls of men, there was nowhere to go.
 

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They'd be in the playoff picture a little more, but still wouldn't have a winning record. The run game as been abysmal. The scheme doesn't seemed designed to benefit the run game. Chubb was running right into walls of men, there was nowhere to go.
I just meant it that they'd be more competitive, likable and fun to watch. That game last night was nuckin futz.
 
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