[2023-24] NFL Thread - Offseason. Chicago Bears are on the clock.

[VashTheStampede]

Fire Dennis Allen

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Fire Arthur Smith.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Fire Arthur Smith.

Whoa now let's give him another chance

 

[Fool's Requiem]

supposedly Allen didn't call the fake, the players did to give the RB another TD.

 

[VashTheStampede]

supposedly Allen didn't call the fake, the players did to give the RB another TD.

They asked him if they could give Jamaal a TD because of his rough year. Dennis said no. They overrode him in the huddle.

Dennis goes out to the press conference and apologizes to the Falcons organization.

That's a fireable offense on its own in New Orleans.

Then he distances himself from the call and throws the players under the bus. Thats straight up admitting the team has no respect for you and you've lost the team.

All that combined with the fact that he's the worst Saints head coach I've seen in all my years as a fan...

Fire his ass.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

They asked him if they could give Jamaal a TD because of his rough year. Dennis said no. They overrode him in the huddle.

Dennis goes out to the press conference and apologizes to the Falcons organization.

That's a fireable offense on its own in New Orleans.

Then he distances himself from the call and throws the players under the bus. Thats straight up admitting the team has no respect for you and you've lost the team.

All that combined with the fact that he's the worst Saints head coach I've seen in all my years as a fan...

Fire his ass.

He won't get fired if the Saints go deep into the playoffs.

 

[Jon]

He won't get fired if the Saints go deep into the playoffs.

He should. He killed the Raiders for years too. He and Arthur Smith are both morons.

 

[Spiner202]

Arthur Smith is definitely one of the worst coaches in the NFL. He should have been gone a long time ago.

 

[TD]

Fire Dennis Allen

As a Raiders fan who also said Fire Dennis Allen when we had him..

Yup.
Good coordinator, bad coach.

 

[TD]

So the Raiders finish 8-9, I had them projected at 4 wins, but I also didn't expect McDaniels to get fired and we'd be stuck with him.

I have no idea how to feel for the upcoming offseason and beyond. A lot of players are on short contracts, who knows who our coach would be, our draft position isn't exceptional, and we don't have a QB.

 

[Jon]

Arthur Smith was fired by the Falcons. Amazing. One down, one to go.

 

[VashTheStampede]

 

[VashTheStampede]

 

[Jon]

Riverboat Ron met with Black Monday fate too.

Belichick likely to come today as well.

Allen soon, hopefully.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Riverboat Ron met with Black Monday fate too.

Belichick likely to come today as well.

Allen soon, hopefully.

Front office definitely doesn't want to fire DA. Fanbase is putting on a lot of pressure, but I think Loomis is trying to wait out the heat.

Problem is "#fireDennisAllen" was trending on twitter after 5 separate games this year. This isn't a knee-jerk response from Saints fans.

 

[TD]

Riverboat Ron met with Black Monday fate too.

Belichick likely to come today as well.

Allen soon, hopefully.

Whoa are the Pats really expected to fire BB?

 

[A Punched Face]

Whoa are the Pats really expected to fire BB?

There's been potential for that since a few weeks ago, yeah. Not confirmed though.

 

[TD]

There's been potential for that since a few weeks ago, yeah. Not confirmed though.

Oh wow. I'd find that surprising myself but I've been out of the loop.

How do you feel about it?

 

[Jon]

There's almost no way Belichick doesn't step away from the Pats. He's pretty much lost that team and they have a top 3 pick this year where they NEED to take a QB. It he stays he does something stupid like take an OT. They need an offensive minded coach to save the offense.

But rumor has it Jerod Mayo has the inside track...

I'd rather see Eric Bienemy, personally.

 

[A Punched Face]

Oh wow. I'd find that surprising myself but I've been out of the loop.

How do you feel about it?

With a top 3 pick I'd love for him to at least no longer have the control of the draft like he's had.

I'm also ready to move on if that's the time. I would have loved for him to get the all-time wins record, but it's okay to not have it happen.

 

[The Eye in the Sky!]

It will be wild though. Since 1993 we have had 3 coaches. All hall of famers. I don't even remember what it was like to not have that. I know some people are all excited to see if we get the next Mike McDaniel or Sean McVay but if you miss, its misery like our fan base has not experienced since the early 90s.

I doubt they call it a firing. Some kind of mutual parting of ways or something, but it has been reported that he is gone one way or another.

Jerod Mayo is waiting in the wings to take over. But Mike Vrabel could be a wild card.

 

[Jon]

Jerod Mayo is waiting in the wings to take over. But Mike Vrabel could be a wild card.

Both are defense guys though and they cannot afford to go that route anymore. Belichick focused so heavy on defense and completely destroyed any semblance of an offense on that team.

They have no QB, they have no WR, their o-line is average at best, their RBs are old or ineffective.... This in an offensive pass happy league. If they go defensive coach, they will still have a team like the 80s and early 90s.

I would love to see Brian Flores come back as DC (or hell promote Mayo to DC)... but they need an offense coach like Bienemy, though I doubt there is an available McVey or McDaniels.

 

[The Eye in the Sky!]

I don't think it is a mistake to have a former linebacker be head coach - DeMeco Ryans for example is doing fine in Houston so far. I think head coach is more for culture and buy-in where the coordinators and position coaches determine the on field more. Belichick I think did too much and let too much of his influence cover the entire team, which is why it has failed without Brady.

Whoever is head coach needs to realize that the modern game is offense first and give the offensive coaches and players the ability to build it that way. I'm okay with Mayo being the next guy as long as he either fully lets Bill O'Brien or whoever is OC take over the offensive side (coaches/players/scheme) build something that can work in today's NFL and not have to fit into a defensive slanted coach's scheme.

No more retreads either. No Josh McDaniels, no Belichick kids, no Joe Judge, fire Matt Patricia into the sun. I would like Brian Flores back as defensive coordinator, though. Whatever beef he has had with people in the league, he's a good defensive coach.

For the draft, I don't know what to do at 3. If either of the top 2 QBs is still there, you kind of have to take him. If not, do you go Marvin Harrison Jr and try to hit on a QB at the top of the 2nd round? Or try for a generational OT and try to hit a few WRs and QBs in the middle rounds? Or trade that 3rd pick and try to grab 2 first rounders in return to start filling in the roster?

Whoever the new GM has a really hard task.

 

[Jon]

No more retreads either. No Josh McDaniels, no Belichick kids, no Joe Judge, fire Matt Patricia into the sun. I would like Brian Flores back as defensive coordinator, though. Whatever beef he has had with people in the league, he's a good defensive coach.

I agree there. Look what Flores did for Minnesota.... doubt he leaves there at this point sadly.

I don't think it is a mistake to have a former linebacker be head coach - DeMeco Ryans for example is doing fine in Houston so far.

I don't disagree. Vrabel was the same. I LOVED Ryans as a player. Was thrilled to see him become head coach out there. But he also does not TOUCH the offense. It's fully his offensive coaches. And that's why he succeeds. But it also helps that hit gold with Stroud. I don't think Ryans has the same success in Carolina, say.

I would STILL prefer an offensive coach like McVey or McDaniels that understands who their playmakers are and SCHEMES to them.

For the draft, I don't know what to do at 3. If either of the top 2 QBs is still there, you kind of have to take him. If not, do you go Marvin Harrison Jr and try to hit on a QB at the top of the 2nd round? Or try for a generational OT and try to hit a few WRs and QBs in the middle rounds? Or trade that 3rd pick and try to grab 2 first rounders in return to start filling in the roster?

Absolutely not. You take Jayden Daniels. Williams and Maye are gone. You're not getting them. Harrison is gonna go to Arizona at 4. The Patriots can only really move forward with Daniels. Who is being likened to Jalen Hurts or a slower Lamar Jackson with more accuracy. I think he's more developmental than Maye or Williams, but go sign someone like Russ Wilson to a one year contract and red shirt Daniels for a season like the Chiefs did with Mahomes sitting behind Alex Smith. Daniels is the guy they need to look long and hard at. The other names in the QB carousel like Penix, Nix, Ewers and McCarthy are not top five candidates.

I personally like McCarthy and Nix, but not at three. Daniels is going to be good if you mix him with the right coach. I think it's possible with a good coach, he's better than Maye or Williams.

 

[VashTheStampede]

 

[Jon]

Wow... that would fucking kill Chris Olave's career....

 

[Fool's Requiem]

wut

 

[TD]

Stop copying my team.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Stop copying my team.

I would LOVE to

 

[TD]

I would LOVE to

Gonna probably trade for Hunter Renfrow next.

 

[Jon]

Vrabel has been fired by the Titans....

And the Patriots are now rumored to keep Belichick, he loses his GM powers, and bring back McDaniels a third time.

 

[The Eye in the Sky!]

Ah, so specifically what I asked not to happen. Makes sense.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

And the Patriots are now rumored to keep Belichick, he loses his GM powers,

this is a good idea.

Bill is still a good coach, but he his hampered by his inability to draft well.

Also, there is no fucking way Vrabel doesn't get hired somewhere else.

 

[TD]

Yeah BB's drafting has been pretty questionable and the team stayed impressive for a long time obviously.

If he coaches but doesn't GM, it could be very interesting.

Although part of me wanted them to part ways so the Raiders could try to get him because that would totally be a Raiders thing to do.

 

[Jon]

this is a good idea.

Bill is still a good coach, but he his hampered by his inability to draft well.

Also, there is no fucking way Vrabel doesn't get hired somewhere else.

If you're working somewhere would you suddenly take a $10,000 pay cut just because?

 

[The Eye in the Sky!]

He's still a great defensive coach and players respect him.

The problem I see is BB is the type to sabotage what he doesn't like. There have been reports all year that he did not give Bill O'Brien the freedom to hire his own staff because ownership forced him to hire an OC. Reports are that he wasn't keen on drafting Mac Jones so he didn't give him anything to work with and pretty much set him up to fail. He buries players for crossing him (what did Malcom Butler do to him?). His supporting coaches are questionable - his kids? A lacrosse coach? Joe Judge?

He has always had full control and expects to keep it. Who is to say he plays nice with a GM? If a new GM drafts a QB or a WR he doesn't like or he think doesn't fit his scheme does he bury that guy? What if they want him to change his philosophy? He's had so much power for so long I don't see him taking a step back and playing nice. He has too much money, clout, and influence to do that. He's also a known cheater, I wouldn't trust him if he isn't all in.

It's already messy in NE, and has been since Brady's final couple years. They need a clean break, I don't think half measures will work. Plus he's like 72. He's not going to keep coaching for however long it takes to fix this.

 

[A Punched Face]

Vrabel is being hired for sure. He's a good coach.

It'll certainly be interesting to see who we end up with and how it works out. They might just be trying to get him the all time wins record before he retired, and want to make sure he doesn't have the power to determine the team of the future after he's gone.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

If you're working somewhere would you suddenly take a $10,000 pay cut just because?

Who said he'd get a pay cut. He's under contract right now.

 

[Jon]

Who said he'd get a pay cut. He's under contract right now.

I was just making an analogy. Someone who has all that power and reputation is NOT going to give it up and play well.

Worst case scenario, he says fine you draft, but I still control the on field product. And then he blackballs all theplayers he doesn't like/didn't have control over.

A GM and a coach need to work together. So, what if he demands to be involved in the GM hire? He chooses a lemming.

What if he isn't involved? How does the GM work with a coach who doesn't share his style?

This won't work. It shouldn't work.

Keep him or fire him, but make a choice for all or nothing. Give a new GM the chance to hire his own team to potentially build a good product on the field.

 

[A Punched Face]

I was just making an analogy. Someone who has all that power and reputation is NOT going to give it up and play well.

Worst case scenario, he says fine you draft, but I still control the on field product. And then he blackballs all theplayers he doesn't like/didn't have control over.

A GM and a coach need to work together. So, what if he demands to be involved in the GM hire? He chooses a lemming.

What if he isn't involved? How does the GM work with a coach who doesn't share his style?

This won't work. It shouldn't work.

Keep him or fire him, but make a choice for all or nothing. Give a new GM the chance to hire his own team to potentially build a good product on the field.

They're trying to get him the all time wins record and then he'll "retire"

Likely sacrificing a few seasons here in order to do him a solid on the record books.

 

[Jon]

They're trying to get him the all time wins record and then he'll "retire"

Likely sacrificing a few seasons here in order to do him a solid on the record books.

I... am not sure it's worth potentially debilitating the franchise for potentially decades. Look at the Lions or the Bears... Making poor franchise decisions has lasting consequences.

It's fine if they were a middle of the road team around 500. You aren't losing a ton by doing that. But you're a basement team with the 3rd overall pick and a chance to kick off the rebuild. If you punt on that for a coach to get the wins, I lose a lot of respect for Kraft who vowed to not do that to the fans in NE when he bought the team.

Let him get the win record elsewhere. It's not like ALL those wins were with the Patriots, so it doesn't matter.

EDIT - ESPECIALLY for a guy that preached team above all else for all these years... What message is that to these players? He already has lost the locker room.

 

[The Eye in the Sky!]

Yeah, he was famous for cutting players right before they fell off the cliff - not after. He should fully believe that applies to coaches, too.

 

[A Punched Face]

I mean I agree, I think it would have been best to get a completely new (well, maybe keep Mayo) staff in there for moving forward.

 

[The Eye in the Sky!]

I just think the optics of celebrating the most wins in a career at the tail end of a 5-12 or 6-11 season after three losing seasons in a row is not worth it.

 

[A Punched Face]

I just think the optics of celebrating the most wins in a career at the tail end of a 5-12 or 6-11 season after three losing seasons in a row is not worth it.

Yup.

 

[shortkut]

I for one, don’t mind if the patriots have multiple losing seasons

 

[Jon]

I for one, don’t mind if the patriots have multiple losing seasons

You have the Jets and Giants, I can understand that

 

[Jon]

Seahawks expected to fire Pete Carroll. FYI

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Seahawks expected to fire Pete Carroll. FYI

wut

 

[Jon]

wut

Hey I just get the alerts and pass on the knowledge to you. I'm not a journalist, so I'm not vetting this shit lol