[2023-24] NFL Thread - Offseason. Chicago Bears are on the clock.

[VashTheStampede]

That McCaffery TD was choice

 

[The Eye in the Sky!]

I won $50 in squares for halftime, so no matter what the game was a success for me. I totally understand the viewpoint of the Patriots run now that I'm on the outside looking in.

At least watching Mahomes work is fun, he's so freaking talented. Like Michael Jordan, there is a lot of talent around the league, but I've never seen someone so much further ahead than him. Brady had some limits in his game, Mahomes is just awesome. And they both have the killer instinct.

 

[A PineSol Scent]

I won $50 in squares for halftime, so no matter what the game was a success for me. I totally understand the viewpoint of the Patriots run now that I'm on the outside looking in.

At least watching Mahomes work is fun, he's so freaking talented. Like Michael Jordan, there is a lot of talent around the league, but I've never seen someone so much further ahead than him. Brady had some limits in his game, Mahomes is just awesome. And they both have the killer instinct.

I dunno, I'm not too annoyed by this run. I was more upset by this specific game because my #2 team is the 49ers (being the youngest child I always had second pick at video games, so I was always the 49ers as a kid).

Overall I'm still fine with it.

 

[The Eye in the Sky!]

I'm really not a rabid sports consumer (people I see acting like animals makes me not want to identify with these people) so I don't get too bothered either way. I love the spirit and competition no matter what. Now if I have no real rooting interest it defaults to - I am rooting for:

1. The team my friends want to win (except shortkut)
2. The team that has never been there
3. The team that has been there but not won
4. The team with the lesser annoying followers/fans

So by that logic - I was rooting for the Chiefs for BigDaddy and you other lot that root for them. I'm happy for you all.

 

[shortkut]

The team my friends want to win (except shortkut)

Yay, I’m a friend!

 

[The Eye in the Sky!]

Don't push it

 

[BigDaddy]

I can't tell you how nice it is to have a completely reliable kicker. Whatever he is paid it should be double. I was actually kind of upset he didn't get interviewed in the little trophy area.

Yes, Butker is absolute nails. Probably one of the best seasons from a kicker in NFL history. Also, shout out to Tommy Townsend for his hold on the Super Bowl record breaking field goal. The snap was high and tight, and Townsend quickly yet smoothly reached up, caught it, and got it down just in time for Butker to kick it without missing a beat. Your heart skips a beat when you see a snap like that, but he handled it like it was no big deal.

And lol at Elway giving the trophy to the Chiefs in the Raiders stadium

I hadn't seen the video of that until today, and it truly was surreal. He has this awkward smile on his face that just says, "I hate this so much."

;____; what if Mahomes became our Ace, he can throw it's basically the same thing right

please pleeease give some of the magic to our other team, you don't need all of it now

I don't want the high to fall off a cliff now with April lol

He used to play baseball, and his dad was a Major League pitcher, so I'm sure he wouldn't be any worse than some of the guys the Royals have rolled out there the last few years. One of the perks of a Super Bowl run is that the break between football and baseball season is that much shorter.

Which is a much better OT rule, I believe. There’s still enough of a sense of urgency to push the players, but it’s far more balanced.

Yep, I think they may have finally found the most balanced way to do it.

As someone who holds a mild dislike for both teams, I honestly thought it was a very good game. But it felt more like a throwback game from before the NFL decided to make the game completely tilted towards offense. Felt like real football.

The watch experience is definitely different when your team is involved, so I didn't think too much about it in the moment, but looking back on it, it's crazy to think that it was only 10-3 at halftime. It was jarring when McDuffie got called for holding near the end of the game because there were so few penalties called throughout. Lots of good defense too. With as much as the game has been tilted to favor offense, it was refreshing watching the Chiefs defense all season, and this game was no different.

Seems like a decent change - albeit I would think you wouldn't want to be the first team to receive in overtime now.

Yeah, Shanahan has been getting shredded for taking the ball first. He said he did it so they could get the ball third (assuming it was still tied after each team's first possession). I don't think that outweighs the advantage of getting the ball second and knowing what you need to do (and can know you are in four down territory the whole drive if you are behind). At least two 49ers players basically said they didn't know the knew rule was a thing, and the Chiefs said they had talked about this potential scenario since training camp. The Chiefs said they were going to take the ball second and if it came down to both teams scoring a touchdown, they were going to go for two to win the game. With the new rule, you can never win the game on the first possession if you are on offense, but there is always a chance you can if you're on offense second (unless the first team goes for two after a touchdown, but that probably isn't likely).

At least watching Mahomes work is fun, he's so freaking talented. Like Michael Jordan, there is a lot of talent around the league, but I've never seen someone so much further ahead than him. Brady had some limits in his game, Mahomes is just awesome. And they both have the killer instinct.

This. Michael Jordan has been the name people have been bringing up a lot recently when talking about Mahomes. Someone mentioned the point of all the players whose great career accolades look just a little less bright because one player (Jordan/Mahomes) was just that much better. While games like this one get very tense, there is always a part of you that remembers you have Mahomes, and therefore a more than decent chance to pull through.

 

[Webster]

At least watching Mahomes work is fun, he's so freaking talented. Like Michael Jordan, there is a lot of talent around the league, but I've never seen someone so much further ahead than him. Brady had some limits in his game, Mahomes is just awesome. And they both have the killer instinct.

 

[Jon]

Steven He.... that is all

 

[A PineSol Scent]

Just throwing some offseason articles this way:

Free Agents: https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/in...ts-ranking-top-50-players-available-offseason
Yates Mock Draft: https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2024/...ions-32-round-1-picks-predictions-field-yates


Expectation from Yates is that the top 3 QBs will be the top 3 selections in the draft, in order: Williams, Daniels, Maye. Then the super explosive Marvin Harrison Jr. being picked 4th and heading to the Cards.

 

[Jon]

Just throwing some offseason articles this way:

Free Agents: https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/in...ts-ranking-top-50-players-available-offseason
Yates Mock Draft: https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2024/...ions-32-round-1-picks-predictions-field-yates


Expectation from Yates is that the top 3 QBs will be the top 3 selections in the draft, in order: Williams, Daniels, Maye. Then the super explosive Marvin Harrison Jr. being picked 4th and heading to the Cards.

That is the consensus, with really only Daniels vs. Maye going second. I KIND of hope Daniels falls to the Pats at 3. And with Dan Quinn leading the shit show that is the Commanders, I have a feeling Maye is more appealing to him.

And as someone with the #1 overall pick in my Dynasty draft, Harrison BETTER to to the Cards... Best option for him (and me). If the Patriots, Commanders or Bears screw me over I'm not gonna be happy.

 

[TD]

Jimmy G is being suspended two games for PEDs (so that's how he stayed healthy) but the Raiders are expected to release him.

...we now have to contend with Reid, Payton, and Harbaugh.

 

[Jon]

Jimmy G is being suspended two games for PEDs (so that's how he stayed healthy) but the Raiders are expected to release him.

...we now have to contend with Reid, Payton, and Harbaugh.

At least you have Pierce as your coach and Crosby and Adams....

And that cop from Super Troopers as your QB.

 

[TD]

At least you have Pierce as your coach and Crosby and Adams....

And that cop from Super Troopers as your QB.

Pierce while I'm not necessarily objecting to is nowhere near Reid, Payton, and Harbaugh.

Crosby can only do so much. Adams is good and all, but he's on the wrong side of 30 and I never wanted that trade to begin with.

...AOC is terrible so if we're gonna start him we may as well just accept we are tanking.

 

[Jon]

Pierce while I'm not necessarily objecting to is nowhere near Reid, Payton, and Harbaugh.

Crosby can only do so much. Adams is good and all, but he's on the wrong side of 30 and I never wanted that trade to begin with.

...AOC is terrible so if we're gonna start him we may as well just accept we are tanking.

Oh, I think you missed the fact my comment was DOUSED in sarcasm.

 

[TD]

Oh, I think you missed the fact my comment was DOUSED in sarcasm.

 

[Jon]

 

[Fire Queen]

the luke maye hype is so funny. its like no one learned anything from mitch trubisky

 

[Jon]

the luke maye hype is so funny. its like no one learned anything from mitch trubisky

Drake Maye?

 

[Fire Queen]

lol sorry yeah that’s who i meant. luke is his brother who played for the unc basketball team

 

[Jon]

I don't mind Maye, and he may be fine as a player, but if I'm the Patriots, I'm hoping to hell the Commanders take Maye. He did play with Howell, so... I think Daniels is going to have the best career of the three, honestly. But it's looking increasingly likely that Washington takes Daniels at 2. As long as that doesn't prompt the Patriots to be stupid and take Harrison at three, I'm ok with it.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Then the super explosive Marvin Harrison Jr. being picked 4th and heading to the Cards.

If he's half as explosive as his father's  gun...

 

[Jon]

If he's half as explosive as his father's  gun...

Have you seen his tape? I mean, he's going to be my WR1/2 for at least the next 7 years, so I've watched some. If Kyler gives him the Nuk Hopkins treatment as an alpha, this kid is going to be shades of JJets and Chase.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

And that cop from Super Troopers as your QB.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Split.

 

[Dead2009]

Former NFL Star Vontae Davis Dead At 35

Former NFL star cornerback Vontae Davis has died at the age of 35.

www.tmz.com

 

[Jon]

Well... shit....

 

[Quagmire]

So ready for the draft, Giants are not in the best position to get a quarterback, cuz I think the top three are going to all drafted QB. But it'll be interesting if the Patriots don't draft a QB, Giants and Vikings will probably look to move up. It's a very no because I really have no idea what the Giants are going to do because it's really all based on what happens before them

 

[Jon]

So ready for the draft, Giants are not in the best position to get a quarterback, cuz I think the top three are going to all drafted QB. But it'll be interesting if the Patriots don't draft a QB, Giants and Vikings will probably look to move up. It's a very no because I really have no idea what the Giants are going to do because it's really all based on what happens before them

I would be shocked if the Patriots don't take a QB. The only way they don't is if they trade with the Vikings.

My personal favorite option would be for them to trade out with the Vikings at 3, get the 11 and 23 and a 3rd. Trade back in to the top five with the Chargers for 11 and a second next year, and take McCarthy at 5 and a WR like Thomas/Worthy at 23. That's the ideal scenario for them, in my opinion.

In the end (and in reality because this always happens with the hype), I think we see less trades and it goes:

1. Bears - Williams
2. Wash - Daniels
3. Pats - Maye
4. Arizona - Harrison
5. Vikings trade into 5 to take JJ
6. Giants - Nabers
7. Titans - Alt
8. Falcons - Turner
9. Bears - Odunze
10. Jets - Bowers

After that you'd have the Chargers at 11 taking likely Fashanu. The Broncos at 12 I think do the stupid because they are the Broncos and take Penix in a panic. After that... who cares lol.

 

[Quagmire]

I would be shocked if the Patriots don't take a QB. The only way they don't is if they trade with the Vikings.

My personal favorite option would be for them to trade out with the Vikings at 3, get the 11 and 23 and a 3rd. Trade back in to the top five with the Chargers for 11 and a second next year, and take McCarthy at 5 and a WR like Thomas/Worthy at 23. That's the ideal scenario for them, in my opinion.

In the end (and in reality because this always happens with the hype), I think we see less trades and it goes:

1. Bears - Williams
2. Wash - Daniels
3. Pats - Maye
4. Arizona - Harrison
5. Vikings trade into 5 to take JJ
6. Giants - Nabers
7. Titans - Alt
8. Falcons - Turner
9. Bears - Odunze
10. Jets - Bowers

After that you'd have the Chargers at 11 taking likely Fashanu. The Broncos at 12 I think do the stupid because they are the Broncos and take Penix in a panic. After that... who cares lol.

I think Chargers want one of the top 3 WRs, but may trade back for more picks so I can see both


I think Penix can be a really good QB, its just his injury history that keeps him from being a top 5 pick. So dont know if I'd call 12 stupid, but it would be a gamble due to his injury history.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I would prefer Penix not go to the Broncos. I'd prefer if he went to a team that will competently build around him.

 

[Jon]

I think Chargers want one of the top 3 WRs, but may trade back for more picks so I can see both


I think Penix can be a really good QB, its just his injury history that keeps him from being a top 5 pick. So dont know if I'd call 12 stupid, but it would be a gamble due to his injury history.

Penix and Nix are not first round talents, which was my only reason for saying it's stupid. Latest rumors have the Broncos trying to trade 12 and Surtain to Arizona for 4 to get JJ. I wouldn't do that, but I don't own an NFL team.

As for the Chargers, I'd have no issues with them taking Harrison if he falls to them (or Nabers, but Harrison affects me in dynasty and I'd love to have at LEAST 7 years of him tied to Justin Herbert). But the only way this happens is if the Patriots stay at 3, take a QB AND Arizona trades out from 4 for another QB needy team. It CAN happen. But I think Arizona should be looking to stay and take Harrison. They have 2 firsts as well, and there is plenty of back of the first CBs coming that they don't need Surtain.

 

[Jon]

I said this and there is reports that Denver has acquired Zach Wilson from the Jets as their starter... BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Denver gonna Denver. Told you Denver is stupid.

Will Zach Wilson start in Denver? Are the Broncos still trying to draft a quarterback? What the trade means

After acquiring Zach Wilson from the New York Jets, the Denver Broncos added some insurance at quarterback.

www.espn.com

 

[Quagmire]

Penix and Nix are not first round talents, which was my only reason for saying it's stupid. Latest rumors have the Broncos trying to trade 12 and Surtain to Arizona for 4 to get JJ. I wouldn't do that, but I don't own an NFL team.

I agree on Nix, but I do think Penix is first round talent

 

[Jon]

I agree on Nix, but I do think Penix is first round talent

Too old. That alone is a disqualifier for me as a first round pick (for him specifically). I'm not taking that chance on a 24.5 (at season start) year old with an extensive injury history. Not to mention, he's left handed which means an entire o-line philosophy shift.

I MIGHT be convinced to take him late the way the Ravens did Jackson at 32. "We don't need him to be a star, but he might become one and there is no pressure on his development." But not taking him at 12... with a ton of pressure.

On the flip side.... I think Bo Nix might be the second best overall QB in this draft (personally, I think Maye is the best overall). But not a first round talent and also too old (older than Penix even). BUT... Nix might be the most polished and NFL ready of the 6 QBs.

 

[Fire Queen]

i can’t wait for the first time that either tony romo or cris collinsworth goofs up and says “michael penis junior”

 

[Jon]

i can’t wait for the first time that either tony romo or cris collinsworth goofs up and says “michael penis junior”

With Romo purposely calling Swift Kelce's fiancée so many times, I feel it'll be him.

 

[Dead2009]

Sources: Steelers won't pick up option on Fields

The Steelers are not expected to pick up quarterback Justin Fields' $25 million fifth-year option, league sources told ESPN.

www.espn.com

 

[Jon]

Sources: Steelers won't pick up option on Fields

The Steelers are not expected to pick up quarterback Justin Fields' $25 million fifth-year option, league sources told ESPN.

www.espn.com

We knew this, though.

There's rumors they are looking to swing him to another QB needy team and profit since they got him for nothing.

Personally... yes please.

 

[TD]

Personally I can't wait to see what mess of a pick the Raiders make in the first round.

Again.

 

[Jon]

Personally I can't wait to see what mess of a pick the Raiders make in the first round.

Again.

Be prepared for them to overdraft Penix.

 

[TD]

Be prepared for them to overdraft Penix.

This is what I keep seeing them do in mocks.

So they'll probably draft a QB being mocked in the 3rd.

 

[Dead2009]

Lions sign St. Brown, Sewell to $100M+ deals

The Lions and wide receiver Amon-Ra St. Brown have agreed to a four-year, $120 million extension that includes $77 million guaranteed, sources told ESPN.

www.espn.com

Bengals pick up option on WR Chase for 2025

The Bengals have picked up the fifth-year option on Ja'Marr Chase's rookie deal that will be worth an estimated $21.8 million for the 2025 season.

www.espn.com

Bateman gets extension, makes Ravens history

The Ravens have agreed to a three-year contract extension with wide receiver Rashod Bateman that runs through the 2026 season.

www.espn.com

 

[Jon]

Lions sign St. Brown, Sewell to $100M+ deals

The Lions and wide receiver Amon-Ra St. Brown have agreed to a four-year, $120 million extension that includes $77 million guaranteed, sources told ESPN.

www.espn.com

Bengals pick up option on WR Chase for 2025

The Bengals have picked up the fifth-year option on Ja'Marr Chase's rookie deal that will be worth an estimated $21.8 million for the 2025 season.

www.espn.com

Bateman gets extension, makes Ravens history

The Ravens have agreed to a three-year contract extension with wide receiver Rashod Bateman that runs through the 2026 season.

www.espn.com

Amon Ra and Chase make sense. I assume the Bateman deal is team friendly since he's been caca

 

[Dead2009]

Came across this just now.....this guy has to have CTE out the ass

Antonio Brown retires from team he literally never played for | Sporting News

Former Las Vegas Raiders wide receiver Antonio Brown hilariously announced that he's retiring as a member of the team after not having played a snap for it.

www.sportingnews.com

 

[Jon]

Came across this just now.....this guy has to have CTE out the ass

Antonio Brown retires from team he literally never played for | Sporting News

Former Las Vegas Raiders wide receiver Antonio Brown hilariously announced that he's retiring as a member of the team after not having played a snap for it.

www.sportingnews.com

I think he's just an ass lol

 

[The Eye in the Sky!]

If the Patriots take JJ McCarthy at #3 tomorrow I might lose my mind. I don't get what everyone sees in this kid. But I keep hearing that they are interested in him.

Roll the dice on Drake Maye/Jayden Daniels or trade down. We've had a Michigan QB before and it didn't turn out well (for the rest of the NFL).

 

[Jon]

If the Patriots take JJ McCarthy at #3 tomorrow I might lose my mind. I don't get what everyone sees in this kid. But I keep hearing that they are interested in him.

Roll the dice on Drake Maye/Jayden Daniels or trade down. We've had a Michigan QB before and it didn't turn out well (for the rest of the NFL).

I think they may be trying to create a buzz to get some idiot team to give them a tremendous haul for the 3.

If they don't, I think they're settled on Maye. He's my mock for the Patriots. In my latest I have JJ going 7 to the Minnesota with Minnesota unable to convince NE, Arizona or LA to trade out, so they settle on trading with Tennessee and still getting JJ.

 

[The Eye in the Sky!]

I want Drake Maye. Drafts are always recency bias. Daniels was amazing this year, so he shot up. Maye was a little less than they thought he would be, but last year he was considered the consensus #1 pick. Everyone compares him to Herbert/Allen and I would be ecstatic for that. Rocket arm, decent running ability, good size, might be kind of stupid but his talent is off the charts.

Jerod Mayo is so unlike Belichick in that he actually talks to the media and he said that Brissett is expected to be their QB this year and if they draft a QB, they want him to sit because their team is not ready to plug a rookie in. I love that if it's not just smoke and mirrors.

 

[TD]

I just want to not cry.

Odds not good.