Zell Wolf Zell Wolf 20 - Day 3

[A Vaguely Ambiguous Username]

Matched to the dead body, which I assume counts as a villager and not some [null] entity.

I clearly haven't been following enough to actually pick up on what everyone is claiming and/or am just bad. I thought Tommy was doctor until he died, clearly I assumed Jawneh was detective.

There are 4 townies left.

Myself, Kat, and Benzine are all confirmed.

There's one townie spot left. You're claiming to both be a townie and to have confirmed Vash as a townie (dead body counts as town). Even if Vash is not town, there's no possible way for you to have done what you said you did (if you're actually violinist, you wouldn't have seen a match).

 

[Local Hero]

 

[Kat]

I can't recall (nor have time to go look back over) what it was that made you assume him clear yesterday. That's what most of my guessing went off of. Same with Benzine, I assume based on what you said.

Jawneh said he saw red on dimmerwit and Local, I watered dimmerwit and he was a wolf. Generally wolves don't kill other wolves (although there are always exceptions).

There's something up with the whole screaming preacher out the gate and then claiming everyone who cleared him is a liar.

If he really is the preacher, then everybody clearing him is lying, so I don't see the problem with that.

 

[Kat]

Voting Ben.

 

[shortkut]

@shortkut you wanna pull your vote bud

(( sorry meant to click no vote))

 

[Kat]

(( sorry meant to click no vote))

Sorry I tried to get you lynched!

 

[VashTheStampede]

Not sorry I didn't go along with it!

 

[A Vaguely Ambiguous Username]

I'm also trying to figure out why there was no lynch yesterday. There were people in the town publicly saying they voted for a townie and then the wolves didn't join in to guarantee it? Possibly they wanted him alive because he said he'd be taking out the BH with a potion that night, but they wouldn't have been able to communicate that.

 

[VashTheStampede]

There's something up with the whole screaming preacher out the gate and then claiming everyone who cleared him is a liar.

When you put it that way, I get to look really smart at the end of all this so thanks bro!

 

[VashTheStampede]

I'm also trying to figure out why there was no lynch yesterday. There were people in the town publicly saying they voted for a townie and then the wolves didn't join in to guarantee it? Possibly they wanted him alive because he said he'd be taking out the BH with a potion that night, but they wouldn't have been able to communicate that.

My personal chain of events was l first voted to not lynch anyone in accordance with my pacifist views.

Then I changed my mind and DMed Zell that I'm voting for shortkut because I had been swayed that he was likely evil and convinced myself that self-defense is an okay time to kill someone as a pacifist.

Then shortkut's last post felt vividly like another time he was killed as a townie when everyone thought he was evil so I DMed Zell again saying I vote for No Lynch.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Pretty typical Vash Last Minute Flip-Flopping honestly

 

[Local Hero]

I'm also trying to figure out why there was no lynch yesterday. There were people in the town publicly saying they voted for a townie and then the wolves didn't join in to guarantee it? Possibly they wanted him alive because he said he'd be taking out the BH with a potion that night, but they wouldn't have been able to communicate that.

I future about this lol.

I voted shortkut to be clear (also sorry shortkut).

If someone has time, they can look back at reactions made by dimmerwit and/or others to try to find a trend to communicate under the shadow

 

[Kat]

@Zell 17 would the wolves get their chat back when the shadow wolf died? Or not until the night because they used the shadow ability?

 

[Zell 17]

@Zell 17 would the wolves get their chat back when the shadow wolf died? Or not until the night because they used the shadow ability?

Until night

 

[Local Hero]

Dimmerwit did a cheers in benzine, and a laugh and cheers in Tommy

 

[VashTheStampede]

Is it bad that I almost wanted to push Dimmerwit as a wolf yesterday specifically because of when the Shadow fell?

I really wanted to but that felt too much like metagaming

 

[Local Hero]

Backwards. Cheers and laugh on benzine and laugh on Tommy.

 

[Jawneh]

A bit of talking, but less action plans currently. Lets get down to basics.

I'm basing this all from the fact that y'all believe me.


We got Ben, Kelly, Local, and Vash as the wolves and solo.

Vash got a blue day 1. Most likely solo. I believe we sorted out before that Blind Wolf shows blue until the power is given out, right? If so, then he could also be a wolf.
Local has to be a wolf as I got a red read on him and Tommy, and Tommy is dead.
The other two I got nothing specific on. If Vash is solo, the other two are wolves. If Vash is a blind wolf, then one of Ben or Kelly is the solo.

Wolf role wise, there was a shadow wolf. Assuming dimmer was the one who used it and there isn't a second one. Kelly is claiming nightmare, so maybe that's true? We still don't know what the last two are.

 

[Local Hero]

Local has to be a wolf as I got a red read on him and Tommy, and Tommy is dead.

I resubmit that this makes haven't a liar

 

[A Vaguely Ambiguous Username]

Yeah but if Vash didn't vote and shortkut didn't vote for himself...how was there a tie? It should have only been 4 votes to get a lynch yesterday, meaning 2 wolves were needed on their own. 3 would have sealed the deal at 6 votes without the town being able to tie since kut and Vash weren't voting for the town target.

Either they weren't coordinated or one of them didn't vote at all, the other two voted for an original non kut target, and the town put 4 votes on kut to tie it.

Or no one hit 4 votes.

Or kut voted with 2 wolves accidentally and the third went for kut and there ended up being a mix of votes to get a tie at 5.

 

[Jawneh]

I'm also trying to figure out why there was no lynch yesterday. There were people in the town publicly saying they voted for a townie and then the wolves didn't join in to guarantee it? Possibly they wanted him alive because he said he'd be taking out the BH with a potion that night, but they wouldn't have been able to communicate that.

I was under the impression that we tied the vote 6v6. If Vash decided not to vote kut in the end, then maybe the wolves bungled up who they were supposed to vote for?

 

[Zell 17]

I resubmit that this makes haven't a liar

Cue the CG pic

 

[Local Hero]

 

[A Vaguely Ambiguous Username]

I was under the impression that we tied the vote 6v6. If Vash decided not to vote kut in the end, then maybe the wolves bungled up who they were supposed to vote for?

Kut didn't vote for kut and most of the town said they would. Should have been a pretty easy thing to switch to.

But also there would have been no way to tie at 6 with the town voting for a townie. It would have needed all of the non-wolves (5 town and 1 killer) voting for the same person that the wolves were not voting for. Kut could not vote for himself.

 

[Smacktard]

We're all just saying the same things over and over. Let's put an end to the parroting already and get this vote done. We have the numbers for today.

Kelly is claiming nightmare

Keep hawking nightmare baloney. I'm a townie and you know it.

 

[VashTheStampede]

We're all just saying the same things over and over. Let's put an end to the parroting already and get this vote done. We have the numbers for today.

Still need to plan for contingencies in case of what happens next but I understand why this would not apply to you

 

[VashTheStampede]

Also it would be funny if a guardian wolf panicked and popped their power

 

[Jawneh]

I resubmit that this makes Jawneh a liar

No? I don't see any gaping holes. You got to point those out for me. Didn't we learn that already a couple games ago?

The idea I tried to explain earlier in less words, was to follow up with what kut was doing. If he wasn't the witch, I'd check you again with Tommy. Both of you were brought up as potential baddies as Ben at the time had a violinist claim and Kelly was going to shoot. So, there was a good chance I'd get a hit between one of you and we could decide potentially to go after Tommy, especially since kut's plan was to kill Tommy anyways. If there was no witch potion, Tommy and kut would've been targets today.

As kut did end up being who he was and nuked Tommy, I was left with you. Whatever my check came out to be would've been good as there's a guaranteed wolf or guaranteed townie. Well, guaranteed killer and non-killer with the knowledge at the time. Following the logic now with everyone's claims puts you as a wolf.

 

[Smacktard]

Also it would be funny if a guardian wolf panicked and popped their power

Would be funny if that guardian popped it on a townie lynch again.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Even though he's a lying liar, Jawneh has played a magnificent game and is no longer typecast as The Ritualist? in my book.

 

[Local Hero]

No? I don't see any gaping holes. You got to point those out for me. Didn't we learn that already a couple games ago?

I didn't have a killing role. Tommy doesn't (didn't, RIP) have a killing role.

If you were a seer, then you would have seen blue.

But you're not a seer. You're a dirty wolf who sold out his own to gain credibility.

You were probably going town would lynch me first then go after dimmer, but the fact that the town trusted me (because I'm a townie) ruined that part.

I'm also trying to ruin the other part. The part where you're claiming to be a seer.

 

[A Vaguely Ambiguous Username]

We're all just saying the same things over and over. Let's put an end to the parroting already and get this vote done. We have the numbers for today.

Keep hawking nightmare baloney. I'm a townie and you know it.

This always annoys me. "We have today figured out let's not continue trying to figure everything else out" is not a way to win.

Skipping when there are still things that can be discussed and not everyone has checked in is not the right move and just screams that you don't want more potential information coming out.

 

[Local Hero]

Both of you were brought up as potential baddies as Ben

Ben, the wolf?

 

[Jawneh]

Kut didn't vote for kut and most of the town said they would. Should have been a pretty easy thing to switch to.

But also there would have been no way to tie at 6 with the town voting for a townie. It would have needed all of the non-wolves (5 town and 1 killer) voting for the same person that the wolves were not voting for. Kut could not vote for himself.

We did also drop to 4 votes to lynch yesterday, in case that wasn't mentioned.

So, one wolf would've then had to have dropped the ball and voted wrong. Whoever the rest voted for got 4 votes. Then 4 folks voted kut, kut voted whomever, and Vash abstained.

 

[Local Hero]

Why didn't the wolves vote for shortkut, @Jawneh

 

[VashTheStampede]

(I am prefacing this with the fact that I know other people have posted this information, but this post is working out shit for myself and not going off of other posts. Feel free to ignore.)

How many of us were there yesterday?

Tommy
shortkut
Smacktard
Jawneh
Vash
Ben
Local
Kat
Benzine

9 people. Wolf votes get doubled so they'd have 6. Town would have 6 to tie. I voted abstain. Somethings fucky.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Maybe Kelly forgot to vote before he went to bed lol

 

[Jawneh]

Keep hawking nightmare baloney. I'm a townie and you know it.

Umm, no.

I'm a bit sad you're not coming after me harder than this. Usually you put up more of a fight. I mean, there's not a lot to try to hide away with, but still man.

 

[Smacktard]

Maybe Kelly forgot to vote before he went to bed lol

I stayed up until like 11:30 to help the town decide who to vote for. Imagine my annoyance when I woke up at 5:30 only to see the lynch didn't go through.

In the end, shortkut turned out to be town so it's fine... but maybe sparing him did more harm than good for the town :/

 

[VashTheStampede]

Umm, no.

I'm a bit sad you're not coming after me harder than this. Usually you put up more of a fight. I mean, there's not a lot to try to hide away with, but still man.

Alternately, he knows something we don't know and is bored of going through the motions

 

[Local Hero]

(I am prefacing this with the fact that I know other people have posted this information, but this post is working out shit for myself and not going off of other posts. Feel free to ignore.)

How many of us were there yesterday?

Tommy
shortkut
Smacktard
Jawneh
Vash
Ben
Local
Kat
Benzine

9 people. Wolf votes get doubled so they'd have 6. Town would have 6 to tie. I voted abstain. Somethings fucky.

Jawneh also pointed out that the vote total needed would be reduced by one. Just fyi

 

[Smacktard]

I'm a bit sad you're not coming after me harder than this. Usually you put up more of a fight. I mean, there's not a lot to try to hide away with, but still man.

I know you can't see it clearly through your wolfy eyes the way I can. Why bother arguing with a wolf in spirit seer's clothing? Check yourself.

 

[Local Hero]

Before you wreck yourself

 

[Kat]

I know you can't see it clearly through your wolfy eyes the way I can. Why bother arguing with a wolf in spirit seer's clothing? Check yourself.

Why would Jawneh be a wolf and throw dimmerwit under the bus?

 

[Local Hero]

Why would Jawneh be a wolf and throw dimmerwit under the bus?

For false credibility. It's been done before.

 

[Jawneh]

Even though he's a lying liar, Jawneh has played a magnificent game and is no longer typecast as The Ritualist? in my book.

Until a better title comes along, I'm keeping the Ritualist badge. It's a good bit to reference.

It's also weird being complimented for accusation of being a liar lol.

I didn't have a killing role. Tommy doesn't (didn't, RIP) have a killing role.

If you were a seer, then you would have seen blue.

But you're not a seer. You're a dirty wolf who sold out his own to gain credibility.

You were probably going town would lynch me first then go after dimmer, but the fact that the town trusted me (because I'm a townie) ruined that part.

I'm also trying to ruin the other part. The part where you're claiming to be a seer.

I'm claiming to be the ritualist though.

And if you forgot, wolves inherently come with a killing role. It's a basic feature. Hard coded. That's why you came as red.

As for you and dimmer, we knew one of you was a baddie for sure. I'm not saying sacrificing a wolf isn't a play, but wouldn't it have made more sense for the wolves to give a fake red on two townies, as they had a shadow going on too. Kat would've died instead of dimmer, and with that they probably would've not heck up the shadow vote.

At that point if they killed the solo then or today via lynch, it's game.

 

[Smacktard]

Why would Jawneh be a wolf and throw dimmerwit under the bus?

 

[Local Hero]

Until a better title comes along, I'm keeping the Ritualist badge. It's a good bit to reference.

It's also weird being complimented for accusation of being a liar lol.


I'm claiming to be the ritualist though.

And if you forgot, wolves inherently come with a killing role. It's a basic feature. Hard coded. That's why you came as red.

As for you and dimmer, we knew one of you was a baddie for sure. I'm not saying sacrificing a wolf isn't a play, but wouldn't it have made more sense for the wolves to give a fake red on two townies, as they had a shadow going on too. Kat would've died instead of dimmer, and with that they probably would've not heck up the shadow vote.

At that point if they killed the solo then or today via lynch, it's game.

I don't understand. You're not claiming spirit seer, but ritualist?

Then how did you make any red blue reads?

Confusion aside, I'm a townie, so anyone who checked me would have seen blue

 

[Local Hero]

As for you and dimmer, we knew one of you was a baddie for sure.

Who is "we" again?

 

[Jawneh]

I know you can't see it clearly through your wolfy eyes the way I can. Why bother arguing with a wolf in spirit seer's clothing? Check yourself.

That's a bit better! Thought I'd love more convincing arguments. Still better than "parroting and skipping" like you wanted.

I don't understand. You're not claiming spirit seer, but ritualist?

Then how did you make any red blue reads?

Confusion aside, I'm a townie, so anyone who checked me would have seen blue

Okay, sorry. I'll stop the bit for a moment.

I'm a spirit seer. Not really the ritualist. Stupid Quagmire stole my thunder for that.

Thought I'm thoroughly amused that I've gotten at least Christina and you confused with that lol.

Who is "we" again?

Everyone who read me saying I saw red from you and dimmer yesterday? Especially Kat who acted upon it.