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Now no one can instantly just trust you to be good or an obvious wolf. Future games will be great for you.@Benzine Confidence totally used up by the time it was me vs you. I knew I was fucked but tried to keep going. If I didn't like you as a person so much I would be annoyed at how easily you seem to play this game. GG friend.
I don't think I've managed to do that properly yet while playing a wolf. It's tough man.This was the hardest thing of all, but helped me convince myself I was a townie.
Have you tried playing like shortkut and just not reading anything about the roles? You might forget what team you're onI don't think I've managed to do that properly yet while playing a wolf. It's tough man.
@Tommy Boy - Can confirm. I lie my fucking ass off every single game and everyone (hopefullyAs long as you know, no one will ever hold a lie told in game against your real life character
Honestly, I'd love to try something like that. I'd start a new PM with Zell without my role info, then just tell him to do my thing to x or something. Then be surprised when I somehow kill myself.Have you tried playing like shortkut and just not reading anything about the roles? You might forget what team you're on
Why not?So then I did the next best thing (because, sorry love, I was not imprisoning Jon lol):
I don't know what you saw, but I did absolutely everything wrong in this game. It was demoralizing.Fuck that shit, Jon. You da MVP.
TURN THAT CONFIDENCE DIAL UP TO 11
GO GO GO
I have no idea why they didn't until I saw this thread and see how devalued TD makes the role. Not sure why a protection is devalued, but whatever.But the wolves now have a Doctor they must kill (or avoid/manipulate forever),
He used his potions, I didn't see a reason too.If only Jon protected Vash lol.
I seriously thought a protection role was more damaging. But clearly I suck, so it makes sense now.Also - it's so weird to me that Jon as a Doctor keeps thinking he's such a high priority kill.
I never said I proved it. I felt I did what i said I would. I was hoping for a protect SOMEWHERE. But TD is in my head, clearly. Manipulated me perfectly.Or that he proved himself a townie early on lol.
I did help the town when I was a wolf...My favourite part was when he said he helps the town as a wolf too.
I didn't see it. Probably partly because 1000 posts.Also I just noticed I 100% slipped on Day 1 to Jon lmao
I trusted you and you used that against me. Fair play. I can't just give you that benefit now, sadly.Plus Jon just did it.
Why I didn't protect Alu.Jon isn't going to protect an avenger,
Out of absolutely nothing I did right in either game.Jon's got him a nice little winning streak going
Hey bud I'm not sure if you know this but uh you wonThis game I felt I played incredibly poorly and reading the dead thread reminded me how badly I played. Too easily manipulated. Impossible time convincing anyone of anything. Inability to understand the nuances of each role. I'll keep chugging along, but this was a deafening reminder of needing to talk less and play the long game more.
I seriously thought a protection role was more damaging. But clearly I suck, so it makes sense now.
It was when you helped me see your role claim I literally told you don't worry you're not a target.I didn't see it. Probably partly because 1000 posts.
I don't think you played terribly. I found you suspicious because you were claiming something unprovable and just happened to miss your protections every night. Which is absolutely a thing that can really happen, but it's also a common thing to claim as a wolf.I was happier after the wolf game because I felt I played well, but was quickly reminded how shitty I was. This game I felt I played incredibly poorly and reading the dead thread reminded me how badly I played. Too easily manipulated. Impossible time convincing anyone of anything. Inability to understand the nuances of each role. I'll keep chugging along, but this was a deafening reminder of needing to talk less and play the long game more.
At the time he was the only proven townie who didn't have a kill retaliation and therefore an easy target for the wolves to go after.He used his potions, I didn't see a reason too.
It's those things where you look at the strong players, already confirmed roles, what roles have been claimed, and if people voiced whether someone should be protected or not. Then try to make your own choice between all that. Confirmed townies are generally more valuable even if they've already unloaded.He used his potions, I didn't see a reason too.
You might've played your protections poorly, but you played the role of a townie well. Hence why you were fairly well trusted. Or at least the least sus between all the non confirmed people lol. It's good stuff.I was happier after the wolf game because I felt I played well, but was quickly reminded how shitty I was. This game I felt I played incredibly poorly and reading the dead thread reminded me how badly I played. Too easily manipulated. Impossible time convincing anyone of anything. Inability to understand the nuances of each role. I'll keep chugging along, but this was a deafening reminder of needing to talk less and play the long game more.
I did drop the plan down before end of day 4.i didn't even know there was a plan. i don't recall signing up for one.
but i just had a lot of faith in jawneh and kut at the end, i thought going for dean would help... i didn't want to look at tommy and see "good". i wanted to see good in other places.
Winning is nice, and my ultimate goal, but I'm evaluating my personal performance, which was deafeningly bad.Hey bud I'm not sure if you know this but uh you won
They weren't though. Not only were they mostly wolves, I overvalued my role from day one and SHOULD have gotten me killed by the town.It was when you helped me see your role claim I literally told you don't worry you're not a target.
Oops.
Also don't be so hard on yourself, in a world where I'm a townie those were good picks.
In a game where the wolves essentially knew everyone's roles from the get, I still thought a protection role was important to get off the board. Again, I seriously overvalued my role. And missing every target drives home how bad I was.I wouldn't say that protection roles aren't valuable. It's more than you're underestimating the value of unproven townies to the wolves. They have to keep townies alive that the town will possibly lynch.
Personally I need a game back playing before I can host one, just to make sure work and being fully active here goes OKWhat or who is next?
posting and reading are overrated honestly. i'll keep a fact board for you next game.Personally I need a game back playing before I can host one, just to make sure work and being fully active here goes OK
I'm glad that's how you interpreted it because I thought I slipped lol.They weren't though. Not only were they mostly wolves, I overvalued my role from day one and SHOULD have gotten me killed by the town.
You telling me I'm not a target was simply read as a "you're not an important role."
I didn't see it that way. I figured a confirmed townie with nothing left wasn't a threat. Again, shows how bad I am at evaluating targets.At the time he was the only proven townie who didn't have a kill retaliation and therefore an easy target for the wolves to go after.
That's about the only reason to do it.
Anything that can take away the ability to trust people is always a good move.I didn't see it that way. I figured a confirmed townie with nothing left wasn't a threat. Again, shows how bad I am at evaluating targets.
I had you guys pegged, sure, but you had used your potions and Alu was an avenger, who needs to die to hit a target.Main reason I thought you'd protect me, @Jon was because you had me and Alu marked as a couple in your notes and I thought you'd try and protect 2 townies at once, that's all.
A win is a win though.
Oddly the wolves didn't figure it out lol.I had you guys pegged, sure, but you had used your potions and Alu was an avenger, who needs to die to hit a target.
I undervalued the role of a known townie with no power. I won't moving forward, but that was why.
I still would have needed to guess right between you and Alu.
Nah man, don't beat yourself up over that. In my game, townies all protected evil people the first night. In this game, Raposa protected his own murderer. I had a protection role once and did live for a few days, and I didn't save anybody. The wolves have different information than you do, and different people will go after different targets, so it's tough to guess their target.And missing every target drives home how bad I was.
At least you're not @VashTheStampede as marksman.Again, shows how bad I am at evaluating targets.
We figured out Vash was Cupid'd Day 1.Oddly the wolves didn't figure it out lol.
They started to turn on eachother apparently because of it. I even pointed out that because we were listed in your sheet that everyone should know at that point.
Fun fact.It's super hard to get it right. That's part of the reason why I doubted Local so much. Hitting Bell Ringer that early in the game?
I read Zell's post of who was paired and I also somehow thought it was Vash and Benzine.We figured out Vash was Cupid'd Day 1.
We then saw him come to Benzine's defense.
Then when Dean was gonna be lynched and threatened Vash - Benzine was suddenly clearing him, while kut and Vash pushed off Dean too.
We thought it was Vash and Benzine - had tunnel vision.
Even when I started accusing my fellow wolves, I was met with it's clearly Vash/Benzine.
We all ignored it when we really should've reconsidered the pairing.
And got @Ben a badge in one of like only 2 games he's played.Fun fact.
The only successful real Bell Ringer exposed me as a wolf.
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That's why I posted early in this thread "lol Dean switched from Vash to Benzine".I read Zell's post of who was paired and I also somehow thought it was Vash and Benzine.
Because you did what you were supposed to do, and what you said you would: You openly claimed being the Doctor.Why not?
About the only thing you did wrong was telegraph who you were going to protect a couple of times.I don't know what you saw, but I did absolutely everything wrong in this game. It was demoralizing.
Ideally wolves actually do want to remove protectors, once killers are dealt with. In this game type especially getting a single nightly kill blocked is very nearly game-ending for the wolves.I have no idea why they didn't until I saw this thread and see how devalued TD makes the role. Not sure why a protection is devalued, but whatever.
I agree with this.About the only thing you did wrong was telegraph who you were going to protect a couple of times.
Yep. You only need to worry about them if you're unable to kill a target you need to because of them. Eventually the numbers dwindle enough that it becomes a problem, but in the early game, a single protector isn't that big of a deal. If the SK is still around, they can even be beneficial.But if the wolves know who the protector(s) are, they don't need to worry as much about killing them because they can either manipulate them into defending specific targets or make educated guesses about who they'll target.
I literally lol'd at this.You should absolutely never think about becoming a doctor, but you're not a bad wolf player.![]()
Let’s pretend I planned it that waySounds like the town is gonna pull this one out. Oddly kut setting vash and I as a couple may have set the town up nicely.
i noticed. It’s also why I later said only one member of the couple hinted that they were townie… Vash never dropped hints for meAlso kut was willing to buy in on it for the same reason. And I signaled to him out in the open that vash and I were both town (quoted him and said "yeah you may as well vote with the town).
How the fuck was CUPID able to influence the town so much??
#sorrynotsorryWhen I jumped off of Dean, I didn't expect shortkut to successfully bully the rest of the town from jumping off him either. I woke up to see the results and facepalmed. I was simply voting Dean for self-preservation. Didn't do me much good consider shortkut votes to kill me the next day anyway, the shit
I didn’t want you to kill me. I kept calling you a wolfAlso kut kept saying he wanted me there for the end, which was also hilariously fitting.
I’m here!I can't wait to chat with kut about this game when it's all over.
I don’t recall that happeningI'm trying to think if I've ever been lynched outside of the first Mafia game when I was straight up outed as mafia on the second day.
That was by designVash and Alu deduced it was kut pretty quickly because I think he dropped a bunch ofon their early posts day 1.
Lol Cole gumshoed me. You merely outed the rest of the team.I don’t recall that happening
That was by design
You barely lied. Lots of statements phrased as questions and hypotheticals. That’s what made me more suspicious of you at the end. It was like you knew you had to lie but tried to do it without actually lyingI finally lied.
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Same. I don’t recall seeing a plan at all but that’s par for the course with mei didn't even know there was a plan. i don't recall signing up for one.
but i just had a lot of faith in jawneh and kut at the end, i thought going for dean would help... i didn't want to look at tommy and see "good". i wanted to see good in other places.
ggwp all xoxoxo @Tommy Boy
I don’t recall that happeningLol Cole gumshoed me. You merely outed the rest of the team.