Zell Wolf Tough shit

[TD]

Never underestimate the ability of the town to implode.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Jesus I get off work, drive home, and it's all gone to hell.

 

[Local Hero]

Man, Tommy doubling down on Benzine. I feel like lynching Jon is the safest choice

 

[Dean]

Jesus I get off work, drive home, and it's all gone to hell.

Look on the bright side, no matter what happens, you got a Mike Boogie promo out of it.

 

[TD]

Weren't Jon, Tommy, and kut all survivors in Kat's game when it imploded at the end?

 

[VashTheStampede]

Gonna have to go back to playing like a dumbass if thats what it takes for the town to win.

Never gonna get an MVP at this rate lol

 

[Dean]

Yay shortkut!

 

[A Vaguely Ambiguous Username]

I tried. Sorry @Jawneh. I really thought it was you.

Future reference:

If you make a move that you think will confuse the wolves into a bad choice, it will 100% also fool the town into making a bad choice. They have less information than the wolves.

 

[Dean]

Future reference:

If you make a move that you think will confuse the wolves into a bad choice, it will 100% also fool the town into making a bad choice. They have less information than the wolves.

I wasn't even worried about the town. I was counting on baiting Jawneh into killing me.

 

[Kat]

Weren't Jon, Tommy, and kut all survivors in Kat's game when it imploded at the end?

I can't remember if Tommy was, but Jon and Kut both were

 

[A Vaguely Ambiguous Username]

I wasn't even worried about the town. I was counting on baiting Jawneh into killing me.

Without being 100% on Jawneh though. There was a plan in the works that increased the odds of a win and your lie stirred the pot on it.

You could have been the hero, or you could have played it safe. You tried to play the hero and it didn't work out this time.

 

[Dean]

Nobody has followed a single plan this whole time, dude

 

[VashTheStampede]

 

[VashTheStampede]

You could have been the hero, or you could have played it safe. You tried to play the hero and it didn't work out this time.

Yeah but if he would have hit...

 

[Dean]

Benzine didn't check Tommy
I was pretty confident about Jawneh (you can never be 100%)

I don't regret it

 

[Kat]

I never realized how much townies also lie until these last couple of games.

 

[A Vaguely Ambiguous Username]

Benzine didn't check Tommy
I was pretty confident about Jawneh (you can never be 100%)

I don't regret it

And I'm saying he likely didn't check Tommy because you suddenly made yourself more sus at the very last minute.

 

[Dean]

I never realized how much townies also lie until these last couple of games.

This is the first time I've lied and it was hard but made it a lot of fun

I'm sure a lot of people are pissed about it, but oh well

 

[TD]

I never realized how much townies also lie until these last couple of games.

I lie all the time - especially as a townie.

 

[Dean]

And I'm saying he likely didn't check Tommy because you suddenly made yourself more sus at the very last minute.

I don't think that was the reason, but you can ask Benzine after the game is over. He said he didn't because "Tommy tried to pull an alpha play" or whatever.

 

[VashTheStampede]

This is the first time I've lied and it was hard but made it a lot of fun

That's the important thing IMO

But I totally wanted to kill you

 

[Dean]

My plan half-worked. If I would've picked Tommy, the game would have been over, and everybody would've been like, "epic play, Dean".

Okay, that last part still wouldn't happen, but yeah.

I don't think my play confused the town anymore than they were already.

 

[Dean]

If I hadn't picked anybody, I would be dead, and they might be going after Jawneh or Benzine anyway

 

[A Vaguely Ambiguous Username]

My plan half-worked. If I would've picked Tommy, the game would have been over, and everybody would've been like, "epic play, Dean".

Okay, that last part still wouldn't happen, but yeah.

I don't think my play confused the town anymore than they were already.

lmao it 100% added to the confusion. If you think it didn't end up making the decisions worse, that's one thing, but it definitely adds to the confusion when there's a plan made around you having a specific role that you've been adamant about the entire game to come out and say you actually don't have that role shortly before the day phase ends.

 

[TD]

Also heads up for all.

I will be playing completely different moving forward.

 

[Dean]

And again, if I didn't do that, Jon would be dead.

 

[Dean]

Agree to disagree, but the village is more than likely about to wrap shit up and secure the win

 

[Local Hero]

They should say we all put two votes on Tommy and Benzine. If Tommy was preacher, he could win the vote tie, if he's not, Tommy is wolf.

 

[A Vaguely Ambiguous Username]

And again, if I didn't do that, Jon would be dead.

So? Someone was going to die regardless.

 

[Dean]

So? Someone was going to die regardless.

We would've been back in the same spot with one less townie. They would know I'm the Avenger (assuming Benzine checked me), and I would have targeted Jawneh, and Tommy very well could've weaseled his way out of a lynch.

We would all still be arguing and confused as shit

 

[Dean]

Without the Doctor for a possible protection btw

 

[Kat]

And again, if I didn't do that, Jon would be dead.

I don't think they would've gone after Jon regardless. You were unlikely to target Tommy and Jon isn't going to protect an avenger, so either way you were a good kill.

 

[TD]

Poor Tommy.

 

[Dean]

Based on Kat's opinion: So let's say I didn't pull my stunt. Benzine said he wasn't gonna check Tommy. I die, Jawneh dies, and nothing changes.

 

[Kat]

They should say we all put two votes on Tommy and Benzine. If Tommy was preacher, he could win the vote tie, if he's not, Tommy is wolf.

Tommy is claiming he hasn't gotten any extra votes, though.

 

[Dean]

Tommy is claiming he hasn't gotten any extra votes, though.

"Preacher
Aura: Good
At night, can select a player. If that player dies, the Preacher will gain an additional vote during the day for the remainder of the game. Can gain up to 3 additional votes for a combined total voting power of 4 votes. Other players will know that the Preacher has increased voting power."

I feel like this implies Zell would announce it in the thread or something.

 

[Kat]

"Preacher
Aura: Good
At night, can select a player. If that player dies, the Preacher will gain an additional vote during the day for the remainder of the game. Can gain up to 3 additional votes for a combined total voting power of 4 votes. Other players will know that the Preacher has increased voting power."

I feel like this implies Zell would announce it in the thread or something.

That explains why he isn't claiming he has any extra votes.

I think the voodoo wolf claim might come back to bite him. I agree it's unlikely the wolves would play like that. It's especially risky to frame Tommy of all people. What a great play that would be if it were true, though.

 

[Dean]

@A Subcontractor's Ass you are very intelligent, a very consistent player, and you keep track of things very well. I've even benefitted from your record keeping and knowledge of the roles. I don't mean any disrespect.

I just play much differently and think differently, which I can understand why people think what I did was the wrong move. I was more than willing to take a high risk (obviously) and it didn't pay off. Regardless, the town pulled it off, so a win is a win, I guess.

I'm never going to be the most analytical and tactful player, just like you aren't going to be a high risk, reckless player. I'm not on Ants! level of throwing holy water on Day 1, but yeah, I did want to take the risk because I felt good about it, and I fucked it up. I'm okay with it because I don't think it made matters any worse, but I can't prove that.

 

[Raine]

I don't think they would've gone after Jon regardless. You were unlikely to target Tommy and Jon isn't going to protect an avenger, so either way you were a good kill.

I don't think there are many scenarios wherein the Avenger isn't priority #1 in this situation. But with the public plan, that's especially so as long as the singular wolf doesn't think they're the most likely target. Even if the Doctor pulls a bait and switch and covers the Avenger instead of the Violinist (because they've done the math or whatever), I think the wolf would still have to go for it.

 

[Jawneh]

Based on Kat's opinion: So let's say I didn't pull my stunt. Benzine said he wasn't gonna check Tommy. I die, Jawneh dies, and nothing changes.

If I was still alive, the plan would still continue. Town can withhold a lynch to not twindle the numbers for a wolf win.

... just can't keep deciding not to follow the plan every single time lol.

On the record, I was fully convinced Benzine wasn't going to check Tommy. I just didn't think Dean would be the one to get killed so Benzine checking him was unfortunate.

 

[Raine]

I'm not on Ants! level of throwing holy water on Day 1, but yeah, I did want to take the risk because I felt good about it, and I fucked it up. I'm okay with it because I don't think it made matters any worse, but I can't prove that.

Even if it did make matters worse or lost the game outright, it's still fine.

People are going to make mistakes. Everyone has to acknowledge and be okay with that.

But, still, talking strategy and theories and whatnot never hurts.

 

[Kat]

Even if it did make matters worse or lost the game outright, it's still fine.

People are going to make mistakes. Everyone has to acknowledge and be okay with that.

But, still, talking strategy and theories and whatnot never hurts.

Definitely! I think most everyone with a killing role has killed a townie at some point or another. I'm not sure I've ever done anything useful for the town with my roles.

 

[Tommy Boy]

I finally lied.

 

[Raine]

Extraordinarily. We've corrupted the innocent, defiled the chosen, brought low the mighty! How does it feel you rascal?

You did great, btw.

 

[A Vaguely Ambiguous Username]

@A Subcontractor's Ass you are very intelligent, a very consistent player, and you keep track of things very well. I've even benefitted from your record keeping and knowledge of the roles. I don't mean any disrespect.

I just play much differently and think differently, which I can understand why people think what I did was the wrong move. I was more than willing to take a high risk (obviously) and it didn't pay off. Regardless, the town pulled it off, so a win is a win, I guess.

I'm never going to be the most analytical and tactful player, just like you aren't going to be a high risk, reckless player. I'm not on Ants! level of throwing holy water on Day 1, but yeah, I did want to take the risk because I felt good about it, and I fucked it up. I'm okay with it because I don't think it made matters any worse, but I can't prove that.

I get we play differently, and that's fine. I was just hoping to convey that you did in fact add to the confusion. It ended up working out in the end though, because there was a decent enough discussion to get to the point, so all is well.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Definitely! I think most everyone with a killing role has killed a townie at some point or another. I'm not sure I've ever done anything useful for the town with my roles.

Feels like you never get enough time to even try

 

[Tubby23]

I finally lied.

I still love you

 

[Tommy Boy]

Extraordinarily. We've corrupted the innocent, defiled the chosen, brought low the mighty! How does it feel you rascal?

You did great, btw.

It felt good the first two days but by day 3 I was really feeling it. Hence the voodoo plan we rolled with. Once I was the last one standing, my confidence was basically destroyed going up against Benzine. I knew the three of us had unprovable claims but I doubled down on the wrong person. All in all, this was very difficult for me.

I still love you

<3

 

[Tommy Boy]

Thank you all for cheering me on in my campaign of corruption. I am morally weak after this game and never want to be a wolf again.

 

[Tubby23]

As long as you know, no one will ever hold a lie told in game against your real life character

#TeamTommy