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GWF Zell Wolf Version XII - Day 2

Who should the villagers lynch? (4 votes required)

  • Alu

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  • Benzine

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  • Fool’s Requiem

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Jawneh

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • shortkut

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  • Total voters
    12
  • Poll closed .
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Good morning, friends.

I'll kick off the morning's discussion.

@Tommy Boy - I'd love to know the status of your spreadsheet early in the game.

@Benzine, @Tommy Boy and @GwJumpman have claimed/alluded to roles.

Which, given MY spreadsheet means one of them is lying guaranteed.

@Jawneh, @A New Year… A New Suck and @shortkut have had no claims I've seen/picked up on and would leave two out of three of them to be evil (because one of the three above is definitely lying).

What say you, gentlemen?
 

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Today. Very early.

And something to also consider. Within the three you mentioned for regular roles can include the solo villager and our bully being a little schemer.
I think I see now, but it's still open ended until I pull an anti-shortkut and read lol.

But yes, I agree, which is why I said at least one is lying, not that they are necessarily a wolf or evil. I mean, I personally conclude at least one is evil, but you all know that.

Two of them claim to be protectors of some sort. And without protection, I am almost certainly not going to be allowed to survive the night. So at the least, we'll have information going into tomorrow.
 

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And since no one has refuted the Bully claim (it could only be the Gunner or Detective otherwise), we have to assume there is a bully. Though there is a crazy play that I could see possible here that I don't want to divulge in case it's really in motion. And I don't want to screw over a fellow strong villager's play.
 

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Yes. Alluded to, anyway.
No matter which side you're on, it's not really a thing to lie about being rocked. At worst if you don't say it, the next day folks are wondering why you didn't do the thing you were supposed to do. Be it seering, protection, or killing. As a townie you're bringing sus to yourself by not saying anything. Even as a nogoodnick you're dead immediately thanks to a second rock as the bully uses you to stake a proven role claim on. Or launches a lynch party and saves a rock for someone else.
 
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No matter which side you're on, it's not really a thing to lie about being rocked. At worst if you don't say it, the next day folks are wondering why you didn't do the thing you were supposed to do. Be it seering, protection, or killing. As a townie you're bringing sus to yourself by not saying anything. Even as a nogoodnick you're dead immediately thanks to a second rock as the bully uses you to stake a proven role claim on. Or launches a lynch party and saves a rock for someone else.
I said alluded to in reference to my next post clarifying that I could see a meta play at stake here.

But since you're the one I was thinking could pull it off, I think it's safe to assume my thought is incorrect... lol

Since that's out now, no harm in my thoughts coming to light. I could see someone claiming being rocked as the Gunner to hide their role a little longer. It would take advantage of a possible fib from Fool's. Just an unlikely meta game thought is all.

Also, i just realized I didn't include @Fool's Requiem in my first post of the day. He's lumped in with Kut, Alu and you. Well not you anymore Jawneh as I see your claim. Still no idea what you are but I haven't had a chance to read and have some meetings coming up.

At least one of Benzine, Jump and Tommy is still lying. But between you, Alu, Kut and FR, you're all "classified" as evil if Benzine and Tommy are who they claim to be.
 
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I said alluded to in reference to my next post clarifying that I could see a meta play at stake here.

But since you're the one I was thinking could pull it off, I think it's safe to assume my thought is incorrect... lol

Since that's out now, no harm in my thoughts coming to light. I could see someone claiming being rocked as the Gunner to hide their role a little longer. It would take advantage of a possible fib from Fool's. Just an unlikely meta game thought is all.
Well, that wouldn't have worked as there was a rock day 1 as well on someone else. Otherwise it could work as a neat little thing. Especially when you finally shoot everyone knows who you are.

Well not you anymore Jawneh as I see your claim. Still no idea what you are but I haven't had a chance to read and have some meetings coming up.
Sigh. I need to work on this. Or maybe I need to start dropping the hints to cater to specific people to pick them up.
 

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Well this made it more interesting.
Jumping back to my post here, on why this was more interesting.

I'm the actual (or at least an actual seers apprentice), and I read GWJ and Jawneh last night, and it came back red. Either GWJ is actually evil, or he's telling the truth and didn't understand the role could have two people read at once and Jawneh is evil.

That's also why I plopped my vote on GWJ yesterday. While it turns out to not be actual proof, it was good to see that someone else thought he was sus enough to be on a list.
 

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As we still have time to deliberate for quite a bit, we do need to decide on Jon or Jumpy. Or if we think someone else is more likely to be a wolf or the dick. We're at 4-2-1-1 so it doesn't look super good at all. Barring the wolves or dick missing their marks tonight it might be all.done for the town. That's 2 or 3 kills tonight. To make things worse, the dick has extra leeway with killing a townie with the solo as they are on a different team. If the bully lives tonight, we can still delay the kills if they choose the correct target.

So, we could be something like 3-1-1-1 or even 3-1-1 tomorrow. Maybe better if there's some more kill roles hidden somewhere to get a wolf or the dick. Considering the silence from folks I'm thinking marksman or avenger hidden in the mix. That's being hopeful to the rng.

So. Uhh... luckily it's not the end today as long as the bully lives, or amusingly, if the dick lives. As long as the dick is alive, wolves can't win numbers even if most townies suddenly implode. Ideally we rock the dick to take 1-2 kills off the table, or if we get a wolf today, we can get a rock on the last wolf to prevent a kill. We'll see the results of the rocks the following day as night kills are suddenly gone. Well, no wolf kill can mean there's a ww fan now turned. No dick kill can still mean they chose two townies or two wolves.

Anything else I'm forgetting? I'm still laying in bed and kind of rambling my thoughts. I should get up and get some coffee though.
 
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I'm the actual (or at least an actual seers apprentice)
I was wondering why you and kut had jumped (hehe) on Jumpy. This would make more sense now.

... I can't say if I believe you or not as you're still an enigma to me, but this would also kind of support not just everyone's sus of Jumpy, but maybe even Jon bringing feels as evidence from beyond the grave?
 
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@Tommy Boy - I'd love to know the status of your spreadsheet early in the game.
I am realizing I am User number 7 from quoting this. Cool.

I do not have a spreadsheet for this game. I was going to make one last night, but we were already down so many people that I never got around to it. :sad
@Benzine, @Tommy Boy and @GwJumpman have claimed/alluded to roles.

Which, given MY spreadsheet means one of them is lying guaranteed.
Hmmm. @shortkut what say you
 
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