Zell Wolf GWF Wolf - Zell's Version3 Night2/Day2

[Raposuh]

if (fool) = Bad then
Local = wrong+bad
Bad + wrong = badong. Local is badong.

 

[Raposuh]

Gonna have to spank some asses, unruly heathens...

Warp is priest? Also teasing us with a good time.

 

[Local Hero]

Yes. Basically from the start of the game. I checked Ants and Vash, they were blue when the wolves killed. So, not wolves. RK possible.

I tried checking FR last night, uh... that didn't do anything helpful.

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I don't have time to write, but I made it to my post! Progress! I dropped a bunch of reactions along the way, that's my contribution for the day.

I look forward to another 4+ pages when I get back again.

Gonna have to spank some asses, unruly heathens...

I enjoyed your reactions to my posts

 

[TD]

If there is a priest among us my disappointment in the lack of a Tubby will be IMMEASURABLE.

 

[Local Hero]

if (fool) = Bad then
Local = wrong+bad
Bad + wrong = badong. Local is badong.

Ahhh, right. If he's a wolf (or anything) with an evil aura, this yes I'm lying (which I'm not)

If he's a sorcerer (evil team, good Aura) then I'm super duper

 

[Killface!]

Right this very second? No.

I can at 9:30PM tomorrow. (or whenever this day ends.)

I think it's important to know that until you're dead, if Ryan was in fact a baddie, he might keep lying to you. If he wasn't lying in the first place then obviously it would be fine.

But that would be your call to make. He'll likely be sticking to the aura seer claim though.

Right now we have 3 people from this game in there. Kut, Cole, Ryan.

Kut claimed Spirit Seer. I don't think he has a reason to lie.

Cole was not very forthcoming with information. Granted, he came in after an hour or so during the night phase. His role was not officially revealed then (because of confusion wolf). He did not have anything to relay to this group except "Ryan! is a terrible player" and that "Wolvengers will see him soon".

I did not speak to Ryan! last night as he was dead AFTER they closed the dead thread for me. He MAY keep up the seer bit. I'll relay what I can (if i'm still alive) and we can go from there.

 

[Killface!]

The Killer T's are also in the dead thread as part of the peanut gallery. They didn't have much to say either.

 

[Zell 17]

The Killer T's are also in the dead thread as part of the peanut gallery. They didn't have much to say either.

Yeah I let our former fallen priests into dead land because shortkut was lonely and raging about pizza by himself

 

[TD]

Right now we have 3 people from this game in there. Kut, Cole, Ryan.

Kut claimed Spirit Seer. I don't think he has a reason to lie.

Cole was not very forthcoming with information. Granted, he came in after an hour or so during the night phase. His role was not officially revealed then (because of confusion wolf). He did not have anything to relay to this group except "Ryan! is a terrible player" and that "Wolvengers will see him soon".

I did not speak to Ryan! last night as he was dead AFTER they closed the dead thread for me. He MAY keep up the seer bit. I'll relay what I can (if i'm still alive) and we can go from there.

OKAY I'LL BITE - I HAVE QUESTIONS.

a) You were able to talk to Cole the same night he died? I must be missing something..
b) Will we be able to confirm if Ryan was telling the truth by say.. the end of the day?

 

[Killface!]

Yeah I let our former fallen priests into dead land because shortkut was lonely and raging about pizza by himself

If this doesn't confirm my role, I don't know what will.

 

[TD]

SCRATCH FIRST QUESTION. Zell clarified

 

[Local Hero]

If this doesn't confirm my role, I don't know what will.

Hey @Zell 17, remember that time you gave me the Aura Seer role? I remember it like it was yesterday.

 

[Killface!]

OKAY I'LL BITE - I HAVE QUESTIONS.

a) You were able to talk to Cole the same night he died? I must be missing something..
b) Will we be able to confirm if Ryan was telling the truth by say.. the end of the day?

a) I don't know what the order of night actions are. Assuming that marksman is one of the first actions to be taken? Cole was let into dead land shortly after it was opened up. So yes, I did get to talk with him for a little bit. He's a pretty nice guy.

b) Right now, I only have the information that everyone else has. I didn't talk with Ryan during night phase. I WILL be able to see what he's posted (if anything) during tonights night phase. Again, if I live, I will be able to relay the messages.

 

[TD]

So I'm just gonna put this out there..

If someone were to lock me up in a nice quiet place where I could get some rest - I AM COMPLETELY OKAY WITH THAT.

 

[TD]

a) I don't know what the order of night actions are. Assuming that marksman is one of the first actions to be taken? Cole was let into dead land shortly after it was opened up. So yes, I did get to talk with him for a little bit. He's a pretty nice guy.

b) Right now, I only have the information that everyone else has. I didn't talk with Ryan during night phase. I WILL be able to see what he's posted (if anything) during tonights night phase. Again, if I live, I will be able to relay the messages.

I'm alluding to the SPECIAL PART of your ability for part b.

 

[Holly]

Christ, I enter today and there's already 10 pages. Y'all haven't slowed down in your old age!

 

[Killface!]

I'm alluding to the SPECIAL PART of your ability for part b.

For that, no. I think I need to put the spell on them BEFORE they die to bring them back. So Ryan! is DEAD dead.

 

[Holly]

I am worried that there hasn't been a RK kill. And clearly the wolves this time around have some more experienced, aggressive players. From the more recent comments those 10 pages amount to a whole lot of nothing.

 

[Holly]

Right now we have 3 people from this game in there. Kut, Cole, Ryan.

Kut claimed Spirit Seer. I don't think he has a reason to lie.

Cole was not very forthcoming with information. Granted, he came in after an hour or so during the night phase. His role was not officially revealed then (because of confusion wolf). He did not have anything to relay to this group except "Ryan! is a terrible player" and that "Wolvengers will see him soon".

I did not speak to Ryan! last night as he was dead AFTER they closed the dead thread for me. He MAY keep up the seer bit. I'll relay what I can (if i'm still alive) and we can go from there.

Wolfvengers will see him soon....

Could be nothing but implying that townies are going down. Standard smack talk. Is there a way for a wolf to be revived? Or does this mean that the wolfvengers are all (or mostly) townies this time around?

 

[VashTheStampede]

if (fool) = Bad then
Local = wrong+bad
Bad + wrong = badong. Local is badong.

 

[TD]

 

[VashTheStampede]

Or does this mean that the wolfvengers are all (or mostly) townies this time around?

I have zero read on you. I feel pretty good about Alu and Killface. I feel OKAY about TD.

You could be onto something maybe?

 

[Holly]

I worry that disclosing my role puts a target on my back from the wolves, but I felt it was important to pitch in after FR said they were jailed and that they were provided a weapon to verify that was true.

Kind of surprised the Marksman was able to get the jail kill first. Clearly I need better prison guards. Or maybe the MM was a prison guard?

 

[TD]

I feel OKAY about you too Vash.

But what do I KNOW?

 

[Killface!]

I have zero read on you. I feel pretty good about Alu and Killface. I feel OKAY about TD.

You could be onto something maybe?

I FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT TD EXCEPT WE CAN'T PROVE HIS ROLE.

You should feel 100% on me. Zell basically confirmed my role.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Vash, you are a dummy if you think I'm a Sorcerer. If I were a Sorcerer, how does me calling out Cole as a wolf benefit me at all? Sorcerer is still team wolf and would much prefer to win as a wolf. Getting Cole killed can potentially doom the wolves because of how good he is ar controlling the game.

If I were Sorcerer, I'd want to keep Cole alive.

 

[TD]

Vash, you are a dummy if you think I'm a Sorcerer. If I were a Sorcerer, how does me calling out Cole as a wolf benefit me at all? Sorcerer is still team wolf and would much prefer to win as a wolf. Getting Cole killed can potentially doom the wolves because of how good he is ar controlling the game.

If I were Sorcerer, I'd want to keep Cole alive.

I mean to be fair, that's exactly the IRRATIONAL MASTER MIND plan Cole would try to prove the game is "BALANCED".

 

[Killface!]

Vash, you are a dummy if you think I'm a Sorcerer. If I were a Sorcerer, how does me calling out Cole as a wolf benefit me at all? Sorcerer is still team wolf and would much prefer to win as a wolf. Getting Cole killed can potentially doom the wolves because of how good he is ar controlling the game.

If I were Sorcerer, I'd want to keep Cole alive.

If you claim Seer, your Aura is Good. Sorcerer is also good.

You can CLAIM you seer checked Cole. He shows up as evil/wolf. You rat him out. You look like a hero.

If someone checks you, (which they did), then you show up as good. Then nobody else will check you.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Vash, you are a dummy if you think I'm a Sorcerer. If I were a Sorcerer, how does me calling out Cole as a wolf benefit me at all? Sorcerer is still team wolf and would much prefer to win as a wolf. Getting Cole killed can potentially doom the wolves because of how good he is ar controlling the game.

If I were Sorcerer, I'd want to keep Cole alive.

You didn't get Cole killed, Dumbledore. Calling him out as a wolf makes you look good to the town, Baron Mordo.

 

[VashTheStampede]

You should feel 100% on me. Zell basically confirmed my role.

I never feel 100% but you're probably as close as it gets.

Maybe.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

You didn't get Cole killed, Dumbledore. Calling him out as a wolf makes you look good to the town, Baron Mordo.

Vash, you come off as wolf the more you post.

 

[Ants!]

I think it's important to know that until you're dead, if Ryan was in fact a baddie, he might keep lying to you. If he wasn't lying in the first place then obviously it would be fine.

But that would be your call to make. He'll likely be sticking to the aura seer claim though.

When I entered the dead forum as a wolf in the first game, zell straight up told me explicitly that you can lie to the medium when you’re dead, and that it’s “all part of the game”.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Vash, you come off as wolf the more you post.

Thanks for the stunning insight, Willow Ufgood.

Oh god am I morphing into Cole?

 

[Kat]

I wonder what @Kat
thinks of Ryan.

OBVIOUSLY THOUGHT BAD.
But wolf bad? Sorcerer bad? Fan bad?
....RK bad?

Honestly I don't know. My initial feeling was he was a wolf intentionally being antagonistic with Cole when it became clear Cole was doomed to lessen suspicion on himself, but his play was so erratic (doing the same thing Fool was doing and claiming it somehow made Fool look guilty and him look innocent) that I'm not sure. Someone suggested he was intentionally drawing attention from the wolves to get turned, which is suddenly extra interesting for reasons I'll get to later in this post.

Ahhh, right. If he's a wolf (or anything) with an evil aura, this yes I'm lying (which I'm not)

If he's a sorcerer (evil team, good Aura) then I'm super duper

Yes, this is what I meant. I highly doubt Fool is sorcerer though. If he's evil then he's a wolf and it was a sacrifice play. (I still think it's very unlikely wolves would sacrifice Cole on night one, but it's certainly not impossible.)

If this doesn't confirm my role, I don't know what will.

Agreed.

Kut claimed Spirit Seer. I don't think he has a reason to lie.

Cole was not very forthcoming with information. Granted, he came in after an hour or so during the night phase. His role was not officially revealed then (because of confusion wolf). He did not have anything to relay to this group except "Ryan! is a terrible player" and that "Wolvengers will see him soon".

So this is super interesting now that we know you're legit. That means 3 people on our list and Ryan are liars, or 4 on our list and Ryan is innocent. Either way, I think we can ignore everyone NOT on the list.

I wonder why he said they were planning to kill Ryan. Was that a coded message that they picked up on him being a fan? Was it meant to lift suspicion because he was really a wolf? Was it honest, and they actually tried to attack Ryan like we thought, and Benzine is making up his protection story, not realizing that Cole outed their attack plans? Or is it just Cole sowing chaos like normal?

I have to admit, I'm not great at reading Cole or Ryan. I can get hints of shadiness, but I'm not able to suss out what exactly they're up to. I do feel like between Ryan acting so obviously suspicious and Cole threatening to kill him that Ryan probably wasn't RK.

If we're going to assume RK is still in play, that should be our priority. We can eliminate people who must've gotten their info the way they say, as a wolf, or as a sorcerer. For me, that mostly eliminates Alu, Benzine, Local, Fool, and Warp. Obviously we can eliminate Killface too, so that leaves Raposa and Ants. Claiming a protector role as RK makes sense. Any thoughts on those two or a disagreement with my assessment?

 

[Holly]

Disclosing your role - overtly or subtly - is a big part of this version of the game. It's why there's so many roles, and why there's randoms and "gotcha" roles that check via seers as other than the team they are on.

The wolves have been aggressive this game about using their abilities out of the gate. Cole's hand was basically forced with guardian wolf, but starting the game with confusion wolf nights 0 and 1 guaranteed the townies have very little concrete information to go off of. It sets us on our back foot. And with so many players all claiming some form of seer - and an evil player that appears as a seer to another seer - that also sows chaos. That's what I mean by the wolves being more aggressive.

I am about 90% sure that FR is not a wolf. I did provide him a gun to shoot Cole. If FR was a wolf themselves they would not have seen the weapon. But there's two caveats to that: There's so much animosity between FR and Cole that FR would try to kill Cole no matter what team they were both on, and FR could be taking a (correct) guess that the weapon was dropped and playing into that. Risky play - if the weapon wasn't dropped and they claimed that it was, I would have known immediately that they are not a townie.

It does feel like the advantage this game is not in favor of the townies. My role both protects and prevents. For that reason, I'm not going to disclose who I am jailing tonight. But I need to be cautious about who I jail: if I jail a townie they can't use their ability. They're also protected from the wolves, so it's a double-edged sword. But if I think I have a wolf jailed, I need a townie in there to kill them.

...I think this is my longest post in a Wolf thread. And I know that ultimately it's all fluff, but typing it out also helps me get my own thoughts straight.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Thanks for the stunning insight, Willow Ufgood.

Oh god am I morphing into Cole?

That would make you a wolf, no? You a WW Fan? I'm on to you broski.

 

[VashTheStampede]

That would make you a wolf, no? You a WW Fan? I'm on to you broski.

 

[Local Hero]

Disclosing your role - overtly or subtly - is a big part of this version of the game. It's why there's so many roles, and why there's randoms and "gotcha" roles that check via seers as other than the team they are on.

The wolves have been aggressive this game about using their abilities out of the gate. Cole's hand was basically forced with guardian wolf, but starting the game with confusion wolf nights 0 and 1 guaranteed the townies have very little concrete information to go off of. It sets us on our back foot. And with so many players all claiming some form of seer - and an evil player that appears as a seer to another seer - that also sows chaos. That's what I mean by the wolves being more aggressive.

I am about 90% sure that FR is not a wolf. I did provide him a gun to shoot Cole. If FR was a wolf themselves they would not have seen the weapon. But there's two caveats to that: There's so much animosity between FR and Cole that FR would try to kill Cole no matter what team they were both on, and FR could be taking a (correct) guess that the weapon was dropped and playing into that. Risky play - if the weapon wasn't dropped and they claimed that it was, I would have known immediately that they are not a townie.

It does feel like the advantage this game is not in favor of the townies. My role both protects and prevents. For that reason, I'm not going to disclose who I am jailing tonight. But I need to be cautious about who I jail: if I jail a townie they can't use their ability. They're also protected from the wolves, so it's a double-edged sword. But if I think I have a wolf jailed, I need a townie in there to kill them.

...I think this is my longest post in a Wolf thread. And I know that ultimately it's all fluff, but typing it out also helps me get my own thoughts straight.

This is a really good point. If Fool was sorcerer, he would be making a massive gamble stating there was a weapon.

 

[VashTheStampede]

This is a really good point. If Fool was sorcerer, he would be making a massive gamble stating there was a weapon.

Yeaaaaah

Goddamnit I actually thought I had a handle on something in this damn game.

 

[A Punched Face]

Honestly I don't know. My initial feeling was he was a wolf intentionally being antagonistic with Cole when it became clear Cole was doomed to lessen suspicion on himself, but his play was so erratic (doing the same thing Fool was doing and claiming it somehow made Fool look guilty and him look innocent) that I'm not sure. Someone suggested he was intentionally drawing attention from the wolves to get turned, which is suddenly extra interesting for reasons I'll get to later in this post.


Yes, this is what I meant. I highly doubt Fool is sorcerer though. If he's evil then he's a wolf and it was a sacrifice play. (I still think it's very unlikely wolves would sacrifice Cole on night one, but it's certainly not impossible.)


Agreed.


So this is super interesting now that we know you're legit. That means 3 people on our list and Ryan are liars, or 4 on our list and Ryan is innocent. Either way, I think we can ignore everyone NOT on the list.

I wonder why he said they were planning to kill Ryan. Was that a coded message that they picked up on him being a fan? Was it meant to lift suspicion because he was really a wolf? Was it honest, and they actually tried to attack Ryan like we thought, and Benzine is making up his protection story, not realizing that Cole outed their attack plans? Or is it just Cole sowing chaos like normal?

I have to admit, I'm not great at reading Cole or Ryan. I can get hints of shadiness, but I'm not able to suss out what exactly they're up to. I do feel like between Ryan acting so obviously suspicious and Cole threatening to kill him that Ryan probably wasn't RK.

If we're going to assume RK is still in play, that should be our priority. We can eliminate people who must've gotten their info the way they say, as a wolf, or as a sorcerer. For me, that mostly eliminates Alu, Benzine, Local, Fool, and Warp. Obviously we can eliminate Killface too, so that leaves Raposa and Ants. Claiming a protector role as RK makes sense. Any thoughts on those two or a disagreement with my assessment?

Is there a reason not everyone is in your list at all?

You've got (from your list, plus a couple others from other confirmations):
(mostly) Eliminated from being RK:
Me
Benzine
canadaguy
Fool
Holly
You
Killface
Local Hero
Warp

Not yet (mostly)eliminated from being RK:
Ants
Raposa
Vash
TD


Dead:
Kut
Cole
Ryan

I'm tending to agree with you that it seems likely that it's either Ants or Raposa though. But not yet ready to say I'm 100% on either of them. Any reason to eliminate Vash or TD, or include someone from the first list?

 

[Killface!]

This is a really good point. If Fool was sorcerer, he would be making a massive gamble stating there was a weapon.

Would this not just be a 50/50 shot? Either he gets one or not.

If Holly locked up Cole, FR could have made the assumption that "Holly wants me to kill Cole". There was no guarantee that MM was going to use his ability on Cole.

I could be completely off base on this and would love for someone to say that i'm wrong on this.

We are getting off topic. FR is not the play RIGHT NOW. We need to be sniffing out people that could be the RK.

 

[Raposuh]

I'm tending to agree with you that it seems likely that it's either Ants or Raposa though. But not yet ready to say I'm 100% on either of them. Any reason to eliminate Vash or TD, or include someone from the first list?

There's an easy way to confirm I'm not the RK, and that is to seer me. I'll show up good as a body guard.

Unfortunately for Ants he has claimed tough guy which will come back as unknown, same as a rogue killer.

 

[Local Hero]

There's an easy way to confirm I'm not the RK, and that is to seer me. I'll show up good as a body guard.

Unfortunately for Ants he has claimed tough guy which will come back as unknown, same as a rogue killer.

But, let's say I look at you tonight. I don't know until tomorrow morning. If one, or you, were the RK, you could kill people during the night. Especially if I'm the one you kill,I don't live long enough to communicate to anyone you're evil.

 

[Raposuh]

But, let's say I look at you tonight. I don't know until tomorrow morning. If one, or you, were the RK, you could kill people during the night. Especially if I'm the one you kill,I don't live long enough to communicate to anyone you're evil.

Mmm, so we're still at coin flip status. I'm just pointing out that, were I the RK, I would not have picked a role to claim that would immediately show me as a liar if somebody had happened to seer me in the first couple nights.

Also, if I were the RK, I would be killing people so I could try to hide as their roles, but Ants has shown he's willing to stack kills to try and get the big play.

Just throwing that out there to get my nuts off the fire.

 

[Killface!]

Mmm, so we're still at coin flip status. I'm just pointing out that, were I the RK, I would not have picked a role to claim that would immediately show me as a liar if somebody had happened to seer me in the first couple nights.

Also, if I were the RK, I would be killing people so I could try to hide as their roles, but Ants has shown he's willing to stack kills to try and get the big play.

Just throwing that out there to get my nuts off the fire.

When did you claim your role? Was that today?

 

[Local Hero]

I vote for Ants.

The chance that he picked a role (tough guy) that would have to be given out as a random role (1 of 3),
and his Aura would be unknown (same as RK),
and there are so many other secondly legitimate claims to random roles:
Warp, Fool, and Shortkut as spirit Seers
Alu and local as Aura Seers,
Benzine and Raposa as bodyguards

Someone in this list above is lying, but I think it's likely that Ants is the RK, then the liars above are wolves.

 

[Local Hero]

Edit: I'm wrong, tough guys are good. Sorry...

 

[canadaguy]

There should be a few folks we can reasonably confirm roles for (I think @Kat did this somewhat).

Confirmed witch action last night claimed and has gone unrefuted should give weight to the claim. (Else the real witch would say something)
Ditto for the marksman kill.

Any of the random roles, with unconfirmable actions a lot harder to verify though for sure. Especially when they claim a random role rather than from the confirmed list.

 

[TD]

I

I vote for Ants.

The chance that he picked a role (tough guy) that would have to be given out as a random role (1 of 3),
and his Aura would be unknown (same as RK),
and there are so many other secondly legitimate claims to random roles:
Warp, Fool, and Shortkut as spirit Seers
Alu and local as Aura Seers,
Benzine and Raposa as bodyguards

Someone in this list above is lying, but I think it's likely that Ants is the RK, then the liars above are wolves.

Tough Guy is good.
You could also try to prove this TONIGHT.

 

[canadaguy]

I would like to state for the record and I did mention this last day thread.

Saying a scenario couldn't be true because "Cole would never go along with it" is not true. Us thinking Cole wouldn't do something is precisely the reason he would do it.


ESPECIALLY WHEN HES A DIRTY WOLF