Zell Wolf GWF Wolf - Zell's Version Night 1/Day 1/Night 2

[Zell 17]

@Zell 17 can the flower child stop their own lynching?

Yes

 

[VashTheStampede]

Voting raposa

there can only be one jokester here and it's kut

I'm no jokester

 

[Cole]

I just scrolled to where my name was and then checked who you voted for.

Killing me at this juncture would be a mistake. My role isn't of extreme significance, but, I am pro-town and I can use it to prove my innocence.

That's about all you're getting as a defense out of me.

I'm not convinced on you, at all.

but given the course of events of this game, I'm gonna need more information. if you dont wanna role claim, dont, no ones making you, not trying to have a repeat of last game.

But I need more. the last thing I wanna do is lynch a townie. But there are only so many options.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I don’t know if you’re a wolf or just bad at this game

Very wolf-like statement.

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (6 required):

shortkut - 1 (Fool's Requiem)
Fool's Requiem - 2 (Warp, shortkut)
Raposa - 1 (VashTheStampede)
TD - 1 (canadaguy)
Warp - 3 (TD, Cole, Ants!)

No vote - Raposa, Benzine, Dean, Tubby23, Holly

Votes to skip (12 required):

Skip - 6 (Raposa, Fool's Requiem, Holly, shortkut, canadaguy, Warp)

No vote - Benzine, Ants!, Dean, Cole, VashTheStampede, Tubby23, TD

 

[shortkut]

Very wolf-like statement.

Please stop proving my point and acting like it is a defense

 

[canadaguy]

I mean if you still think i might be a wolf at this point, I don't know what you to tell you FR

 

[canadaguy]

that top statement is true. you're better than you give yourself credit for.

I dont consider any of them trolling, I consider them very deliberate.

That doesn't exclude them from being trolling though. Its not like you were accused of accidentally trolling.

 

[Raine]

I'm not convinced on you, at all.

but given the course of events of this game, I'm gonna need more information. if you dont wanna role claim, dont, no ones making you, not trying to have a repeat of last game.

But I need more. the last thing I wanna do is lynch a townie. But there are only so many options.

Hmm... I can tell you that if I'm chosen for the lynch, I can't stop that.

But, if I die, something amusing happens. I don't know off-hand whether my role was in the first round of the game or not.

 

[Cole]

Hmm... I can tell you that if I'm chosen for the lynch, I can't stop that.

But, if I die, something amusing happens. I don't know off-hand whether my role was in the first round of the game or not.

the problem is if what you're saying is true, a wolf does the same thing. and would, coincidentally, also be bad for the town.

 

[Cole]

That doesn't exclude them from being trolling though. Its not like you were accused of accidentally trolling.

I guess it's a difference of opinion on what a troll is. I see a troll as trying yo illicit a negative and ANGRY response.

none of mine were designed to do so.

 

[Cole]

I'm not going to lie to you all, after my fool catch and before my big post, something came up about my mom that I had to deal with, and it's kind of sent me on a roller coaster of feelings this afternoon

I can't decide the right course of action, maybe warp shouldn't be killed, maybe we shouldn't even be trying to lynch someone.

please someone else take the floor.

my brain is totally fried.

 

[Raine]

the problem is if what you're saying is true, a wolf does the same thing. and would, coincidentally, also be bad for the town.

Indeed. I won't show up as Evil in a check, though.

Ultimately your call. Nothing I've posted has been a lie. Bending things a little, perhaps, but certainly not a lie. Worst case scenario if you make it through the night you have the ability to put me down. And if you don't, well, I'm sure others will get around to it before long.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I mean if you still think i might be a wolf at this point, I don't know what you to tell you FR

You're still listed as voting for TD.

 

[shortkut]

Why don’t we all just lynch FR for being a dumdum, TD for being mean to me, or Tubby for putting pineapple on pizza. I am happy with any of those options

 

[TD]

Lynching someone for pineapple on pizza is as legit a reason there is.

The obstacle now is that everyone has gotten a bit quieter already, maybe cause it's Friday, maybe cause it's day time..

Maybe they're scared.

I don't think we are going to get anyone to 7 votes over the next 4 hours but who knows.

I don't agree with all of Cole's measurements but we are close on a lot of them.

We are probably going to lose at least one big town role tonight.

 

[Dean]

I'm sorry I haven't been more active. I know it probably sounds like bullshit and makes me look suspicious, but by the time I catch up on reading everything, I don't have a ton of time to post long drawn out thoughts. I should have some time this afternoon/evening prior to the close of the day, and I'll have time tomorrow afternoon more than likely. I'm just a lot busier with life right now. I'm sure everyone else is too. I'll try to post more detailed analyses later, but I feel like I've made my basic feelings that canadaguy and TD are innocent very clear. I'll elaborate more on them and a couple other players.

 

[TD]

Indeed. I won't show up as Evil in a check, though.

Ultimately your call. Nothing I've posted has been a lie. Bending things a little, perhaps, but certainly not a lie. Worst case scenario if you make it through the night you have the ability to put me down. And if you don't, well, I'm sure others will get around to it before long.

If I gave you a broom, what would you do with it?

 

[canadaguy]

You're still listed as voting for TD.

Gah! Fine!

Changing my vote to Fool's Requiem

 

[Holly]

So I guess we aren't abstaining today. But thus far, none of the people put forward have nearly enough votes to be lynched. And we have about 4 hours to go if I understand correctly. Edit: You beat me to the punch on that, TD.

Hmm.

You know what? I'm gonna stick with abstain. We're already down two townies and I don't want to tip the scales more towards the wolves if, by off chance, someone does get enough votes to be lynched today on paper-thin reasoning.

 

[Raine]

If I gave you a broom, what would you do with it?

Shove it up a wolf's ass, of course! Maybe use it to clean up some of their fur afterwards, they shed entirely too much.

 

[Holly]

Aw fuck, that's what I get for spacing out halfway through typing that. I mean we aren't as a group choosing to abstain. That being said, I'm still going to personally because I'm disliking the odds right now.

 

[Cole]

I'm not going to lie to you all, after my fool catch and before my big post, something came up about my mom that I had to deal with, and it's kind of sent me on a roller coaster of feelings this afternoon

I can't decide the right course of action, maybe warp shouldn't be killed, maybe we shouldn't even be trying to lynch someone.

please someone else take the floor.

my brain is totally fried.

(I haven't read the rest of the thread yet, but brief aside, no one needs to be worried. I just started getting teary. I'm good guys. Just need to let my brain settle)

 

[Holly]

OT - I'm amused we're all tagged as GW Elder now with a walker icon. Well played!

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Gah! Fine!

Changing my vote to Fool's Requiem

Oh no, I TOTALLY didn't expect that.

 

[TD]

Okay.

Maybe I'm being too trusting and maybe I'm being played. Or maybe my 19th read through of the roles made me think of something new.

Either way, my gut is telling me that lynching Warp is not the play.

After thinking back..
I am changing my vote back to Fool's Requiem.

Their thought that I'm the medium is an interesting one as to why I was suddenly being targeted, that or it was a poorly placed frame job.

Hypothetically if I am the medium, calling attention to it publically is a poor idea, especially since said medium will be able to interact with our aura seer tonight and presumably get at least one read out of it that hopefully isn't Cole, Tommy, or Ryan.

Maybe he was trying to get me to bite so him and his wolves could get rid of the medium.

 

[Cole]

Indeed. I won't show up as Evil in a check, though.

Ultimately your call. Nothing I've posted has been a lie. Bending things a little, perhaps, but certainly not a lie. Worst case scenario if you make it through the night you have the ability to put me down. And if you don't, well, I'm sure others will get around to it before long.

thats true, you wont. But the problem is we won't know that until tomorrow. Unless I missed somoene saying "Warp read unknown", then there's not a lot we can do with that.

I dunno if that's enough.

Lynching someone for pineapple on pizza is as legit a reason there is.

The obstacle now is that everyone has gotten a bit quieter already, maybe cause it's Friday, maybe cause it's day time..

Maybe they're scared.

I don't think we are going to get anyone to 7 votes over the next 4 hours but who knows.

I don't agree with all of Cole's measurements but we are close on a lot of them.

We are probably going to lose at least one big town role tonight.

PLEASE post yours then. Seriously, it doesn't have to be as long or as obsessive as mine is, but please share your insights.

So I guess we aren't abstaining today. But thus far, none of the people put forward have nearly enough votes to be lynched. And we have about 4 hours to go if I understand correctly. Edit: You beat me to the punch on that, TD.

Hmm.

You know what? I'm gonna stick with abstain. We're already down two townies and I don't want to tip the scales more towards the wolves if, by off chance, someone does get enough votes to be lynched today on paper-thin reasoning.

I wont lie, this strikes me as odd. I get not liking the odds on this night, but weighing the two scenarios (attempting a lynch and being wrong, vs abstaining and losing MULTIPLE townies), I'd rather lynch the wrong person. we could lose anywhere from 0 to FOUR people tonight. Four. that's scary to me, it's not to you?

 

[VashTheStampede]

Voting for Fool's requiem

cause he be acting all sorts of sus imo

 

[Cole]

Please, I am asking you guys, I so expertly assassinated the fool, Im trying to find us a wolf.

I will 100% join this bandwagon. And I am really tempted to do so. Please don't make me unless theres a real reason.

 

[Benzine]

Nice kill, Coleman.

I said abstain but I think I really meant skip.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Ok serious question:

I get that we want to find a wolf.

If we attempt to hang someone and they're a townie, that's bad.

Is the risk worth it at this juncture?

 

[Cole]

hell, I should also point out that it's even LIKELY we lose 3 tonight.

 

[Holly]

I wont lie, this strikes me as odd. I get not liking the odds on this night, but weighing the two scenarios (attempting a lynch and being wrong, vs abstaining and losing MULTIPLE townies), I'd rather lynch the wrong person. we could lose anywhere from 0 to FOUR people tonight. Four. that's scary to me, it's not to you?

Fair point. I'm just scared because we already are down multiple townies, and it's only day 1. But I guess acting decisively is sometimes needed.

I'll change my vote to Fool's Requiem. I'll agree that he's acting sus and of the people on my radar he's the highest.

 

[Cole]

Ok serious question:

I get that we want to find a wolf.

If we attempt to hang someone and they're a townie, that's bad.

Is the risk worth it at this juncture?

it depends.

the wolves and solo could be perfectly blocked tonight and we get 0 deaths.

just the wolves or solo could kill, 1 death.

wolves have a berseker and they hit someone protected, and the solo gets a kill, 3 deaths.

wolves get 1 kill. solo is serial killer with 2 stacked kills, or an arsonist with people doused, 3.

if the wolves have the berseker AND solo is 2stack serial or arsonist. We lose FOUR.

I left out the options for 2s, but obviously you could see where that's possible.

so there's a moderate chance we lose MORE than one tonight. I would say there's even a GOOD chance of that happening. one wolf. one solo kill.

so it's the POTENTIAL of a townie dying tonight, yes.

if we miss that sucks. but it sucks MORE if we lose 4 townies tonight.

but if we do hit a wolf, they can take out 4 and it's *very slightly* less bad lol

 

[Cole]

Fair point. I'm just scared because we already are down multiple townies, and it's only day 1. But I guess acting decisively is sometimes needed.

I'll change my vote to Fool's Requiem. I'll agree that he's acting sus and of the people on my radar he's the highest.

damnit Holly... my Wolfvengers are letting me down.

I change my vote.

i vote Holly.

this screams of you changing your vote yo the nearest bandwagon because I challenged your post.

 

[Cole]

damnit Holly... my Wolfvengers are letting me down.

I change my vote.

i vote Holly.

this screams of you changing your vote yo the nearest bandwagon because I challenged your post.

this is now my best guess. straight up, for those wondering.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Guys if we lynch Tubby he won't even know cause he lives in the future

That's a paradox

 

[Cole]

also I do acknowledge that my scenario where 4 townies die would be EXTEEMELY unlucky. it's fair to say there's a low chance of that happening.

but there's a chance.

 

[Holly]

this screams of you changing your vote yo the nearest bandwagon because I challenged your post.

Sorry to let you down. It screams of me changing my vote because you challenged me because that's what it is. I have no idea who to vote for, I agree that FR has been acting suspicious. I wanted to abstain, but abstaining only guarantees we lose more townies tonight with no shot at bagging a wolf. So, feeling like I need to do something decisive, I voted FR.

 

[TD]

PLEASE post yours then. Seriously, it doesn't have to be as long or as obsessive as mine is, but please share your insights.

Okay let's do this. It won't be as in-depth as you and more high-level because I'm running out of time for the evening shortly.

1 = Not a wolf, 10 = you're a wolf

Raposa - 5/10, players who don't say much can mean a lot of things. Maybe you're just not active, maybe you're trying not to call attention to yourself, for good or bad reasons. I have no read on this situation right now.

Fool's Requiem - 7/10, I had to think back on this one, he's truthfully been all over the place in Day 1. The cherry on top was when I thought back to him basically saying I was the medium and the wolves are trying to get rid of me. Calling me the medium at that point felt like a complete stretch out of nowhere, the medium is a key role for us and even if you think you know who they are, you don't call it out like that.

canadaguy - 6/10, This is me playing the probability game. He either is who he alludes to be (which we can probably verify soon), or he's the wolf seer or in league with the wolf seer. It's reasonable to think the wolf seer would target Cole and thus know so much about who they are. If you know someone's exact roles, you can easily manipulate your knowledge of that role into being perceived as something else entirely.

shortkut - 6/10, This is the hardest one to judge right now for me too. He's being reckless. Him, canadaguy, and Ryan were the big three calling for Cole to be taken out, that alone makes him on this side of the scale. As I've very bluntly put many times, it's a reckless and dumb play to make. But we know how disruptive Cole can be to the opposing side.

Benzine - 5/10, Doesn't say enough. I have no idea right now.

Warp - 3/10, I have swung on this one completely. Just thinking about the way he carries himself and interacts with me, I believe he is one of the unknowns that lurks in our village.

Ants - 0/10, Yeah, nothing wolfy about this guy. Comes across as very innocent.

Cole - 0/10, We know.

Dean - 4/10, Only slightly to the none wolf side as he seemed to understand that killing Cole was not a great idea but he didn't go all in on it. Also has been very quiet, though.

Tubby23 - 5/10, Pineapple on pizza? Really. Okay no but really, you're quiet too.

Vash - 3/10, If he's a wolf, he's being incredibly bold being as involved as he is and backing up my ideas left, right, and center. It's a big brain play if so. He very well could be playing this very well, but for now, he's not a target.

TD - 0/10, It should be obvious which side I'm on.

Holly - 5.5/10, hard to get a read on, has made some really solid comments but has also done some weird things. Only ever so slightly do I see them swaying to this side, but that could change soon.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Holly you are the only person to challenge me in number of bandwagon votes.

Let me have my bandwagon votes.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Tubby is quiet because Tubby lives in a different timeline or zone

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I know I may seem sus, but I am 100% townie.

 

[Raine]

I will admit, the easier it is to get someone lynched the more paranoid I become. FR makes it intentionally difficult to get a proper read on him; sometimes that's good, often times it's bad. I would expect, at minimum, him to offer some vaguely worded defense though. Especially with this being Game #3. But who knows.

One thing that's really going to make this a tough go is the time commitment. As mentioned by @Dean, it takes a lot of time to get through every post in this thread. To do that, form a proper opinion, and land on a wolf? Not likely.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

@Zell 17 , can we get a vote count update? I may need to spoil my role.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Unskipping just in case.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Ok time for some high level read play. Tired of all the amateurs.

Raposa - Fuckin wolf
Fool's - Not a wolf
canadaguy - God I hope he's not a wolf
shortkut - jokester
Benzene - fuckin wolf
Warp - wolf?
Ants! - wolf again? Bad luck pal
Cole - Alexander Hamilton
Dean - hmmm probably cool
Tubby - time traveler. Possible wolf
Vash - migraine
TD - my god if he's not a townie I am sad
Holly - there's no way, right?

 

[Fool's Requiem]

TD - my god if he's not a townie I am sad

This is how I feel.

 

[Benzine]

What I do in my spare time is none of your business, and I'll also have this problem dealt with soon.

 

[TD]

@Zell 17
clarification please.

Wolf seer: Cannot vote with the other wolves unless they resign their ability to See.

Does this mean when the wolves vote on their night kill, or when they are voting during the day for lynching?