Zell Wolf GWF Wolf - Zell's Version Night 1/Day 1/Night 2

[Tubby23]

What is a wolf like tendency? Any player can play in any style they so choose. I think could just as easily say the opposite reasons for everyone else, trying to be convincing of being a townie. It's just pointless so early, it's just guessing rather than identifying patterns or using more solid information.

They're doing things that make me feel like they're a wolf and of course everyone has the right to play how they wish but when push comes to shove the way you're currently playing makes me feel that you are a wolf.

What you have said isn't exactly meaningful in rebutting my opinion of you behaving wolf like or at least in a matter that I don't trust. I think it's convenient that you remain almost silent popping up every 10 or so hours and then scurrying away while others do the heavy lifting.

I know suspicion was raised of my short posts but I think that's a more meaningful contribution than nothing and when push comes to shove I've been willing to make a decision that I believe protects the town.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

The way the two of them have been arguing, it makes me wonder if they are wolves together, trying to throw us off.

I will say that Cole suggested this when we matched together as wolves in FQ's game, simply because everyone knows Cole and I don't get along.

 

[Dean]

I don’t believe he actually said the word aura this thread

Reading between the lines, he ruled out Cole based on auras.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Reading between the lines, he ruled out Cole based on auras.

Can you quote the post that gave you this idea? There are 21 pages, and I've lost track of everything.

 

[Dean]

Not a wolf, not a seer

Not tough guy, not flower child, not body guard, not avenger, not loud mouth, not red lady, not sheriff, not priest, not doctor

This was earlier when he was ruling out roles that Cole had.

 

[Tubby23]

I find this odd. them being inactive can't be a read. one of them is a confirmed New Zealander unless he's moved. and the others a known troll.

no evidence is not evidence... why do you think it is?

But I'm confirmed Australian, we have a 2 hour time difference and it's just really convenient two games in a row to be so inactive from Benzines end. It raises my suspicion that their MO when they have a powerful role is to fly under the radar as much as possible.

We know you are the Gunner for example and I think it's more likely than not that some of the other powerful town roles have alluded to their ability throughout the thread to date.

But Benzine even when pushed gives a no response intended to give no leads and it just seems to be to be so wilfully hidden that it's suspicious to me. I admit I could be jumping at shadows but I'm trying to give an opinion and contribute my thinking to the game. Especially now that it's Saturday morning and I have time to make longer responses as a opposed to scrolling at work.

On Raposa, I have never played with them and to be honest I was struggling to remember them from old GW so to hear that their play style is one of trolling is good for me to know and probably explains some of what I was feeling.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

This was earlier when he was ruling out roles that Cole had.

Thanks, man.

 

[Benzine]

. Benzine is acting weird with their posts, but admittedly I don't play against them a lot. I still think the lack of activity and the snarky tone is... strange. Someone who knows them better may be able to confirm.

So when it's Vash or kut, it's jokes... Changing viewable similar behaviour to suit your narrative, or just ignorance - I'm sure they'll keep an eye on you soon, Dean.

If I was putting a list up, Vash's behaviour is the one that strikes me as odd. Seeing similar posts supporting jokesters and this and that. I wonder if the wolves are reppin' others to help hide their wolves. I'm sure if I die this line will be followed up on.

Or, perhaps I'll be killed because the wolves are Dean and Vash to start, and they'll next be worried that some people are putting it too much on us and they may be remembered as instigators.

They're doing things that make me feel like they're a wolf and of course everyone has the right to play how they wish but when push comes to shove the way you're currently playing makes me feel that you are a wolf.

What you have said isn't exactly meaningful in rebutting my opinion of you behaving wolf like or at least in a matter that I don't trust. I think it's convenient that you remain almost silent popping up every 10 or so hours and then scurrying away while others do the heavy lifting.

I know suspicion was raised of my short posts but I think that's a more meaningful contribution than nothing and when push comes to shove I've been willing to make a decision that I believe protects the town.

I'm not trying to rebut you per se, but if you can't acknowledge my comments validity and just skip over them, that's okay.

I'd ask you to take a moment to think about what I said in the previous game while mediuming it up, and talking about what my strategy was and how I was doing it...

I'm not giving leads cause I don't want to out myself as a role that I'm not. That would be stupid. Think about why that might be stupid.

 

[Benzine]

fuck it's hard to defend myself and drive!

 

[Tubby23]

fuck it's hard to defend myself and drive!

Out of game comment: Please don't do anything dangerous we don't need to lose a person over a game of Wolf.

 

[canadaguy]

I don’t believe he actually said the word aura this thread

This is not true. I used it twice, but both times followed by the word seer.

Once was to say that Cole was definitely not an aura seer (which we can all agree was true). The other was during our discussion on probabilities, which feels like it took place 500 years ago now.

 

[Benzine]

C'mon man, I'm not driving. You are Australian. That's clearly a joke told in the style of our culture.

 

[Dean]

So when it's Vash or kut, it's jokes... Changing viewable similar behaviour to suit your narrative, or just ignorance - I'm sure they'll keep an eye on you soon, Dean.

I almost put you in the middle category, but then it would be 4, 5, and 3 players, and my OCD couldn't handle that, so I tacked you onto the end of the suspicious list

 

[Tubby23]

So when it's Vash or kut, it's jokes... Changing viewable similar behaviour to suit your narrative, or just ignorance - I'm sure they'll keep an eye on you soon, Dean.

If I was putting a list up, Vash's behaviour is the one that strikes me as odd. Seeing similar posts supporting jokesters and this and that. I wonder if the wolves are reppin' others to help hide their wolves. I'm sure if I die this line will be followed up on.

Or, perhaps I'll be killed because the wolves are Dean and Vash to start, and they'll next be worried that some people are putting it too much on us and they may be remembered as instigators.



I'm not trying to rebut you per se, but if you can't acknowledge my comments validity and just skip over them, that's okay.

I'd ask you to take a moment to think about what I said in the previous game while mediuming it up, and talking about what my strategy was and how I was doing it...

I'm not giving leads cause I don't want to out myself as a role that I'm not. That would be stupid. Think about why that might be stupid.

I know your comments have some validity sure but they're not any form of defense that makes me feel better about what you are. They're generalisations.

It could be stupid to give leads of course but also in the face of scrutiny it seems stupid or fishy not to at least contribute some form of meaningful defense

 

[Fool's Requiem]

fuck it's hard to defend myself and drive!

I hope this was a joke.

8. Wolf Seer: Once per night can select a player and see their exact role. Selection is made via PM at night. Cannot vote with the other wolves unless they resign their ability to See. Once the ability is resigned it can never return. Aura: Evil

Ok, so CG is unlikely to be the Wolf Seer. Wolf Seer sees exact roles, not auras. Dean's quotes of CG definitely suggests CG being an aura seer. I know I might be stating the obvious here, but I'm sure I'm not the only idiot in here.

 

[shortkut]

This is not true. I used it twice, but both times followed by the word seer.

Once was to say that Cole was definitely not an aura seer (which we can all agree was true). The other was during our discussion on probabilities, which feels like it took place 500 years ago now.

 

[Tubby23]

C'mon man, I'm not driving. You are Australian. That's clearly a joke told in the style of our culture.

Ok my bad haha I've just seen too much bullshit here over recent years

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Ok my bad haha I've just seen too much bullshit here over recent years

The number of people who I see staring at their fucking phones while driving is infuriating.

 

[canadaguy]

C'mon man, I'm not driving. You are Australian. That's clearly a joke told in the style of our culture.

Man forgive me but I always get Aussies and Kiwis mixed up.


Which is the ones that fuck sheep?

 

[shortkut]

I hope this was a joke.


Ok, so CG is unlikely to be the Wolf Seer. Wolf Seer sees exact roles, not auras. Dean's quotes of CG definitely suggests CG being an aura seer. I know I might be stating the obvious here, but I'm sure I'm not the only idiot in here.

You missed it when it was brought up and I said it many times in support of shooting Cole. Seeing it now that Dean presented it is suspicious again.

@Cole what is your opinion on @Fool's Requiem

 

[Tubby23]

Man forgive me but I always get Aussies and Kiwis mixed up.


Which is the ones that fuck sheep?

New Zealanders, despite Aussies having more per capita

 

[Fool's Requiem]

You missed it when it was brought up and I said it many times in support of shooting Cole. Seeing it now that Dean presented it is suspicious again.

@Cole what is your opinion on @Fool's Requiem

I thought we had agreed upon that I'm a moron...

 

[Benzine]

I almost put you in the middle category, but then it would be 4, 5, and 3 players, and my OCD couldn't handle that, so I tacked you onto the end of the suspicious list

Ah, good point. I take most of it back, that makes sense.

Man forgive me but I always get Aussies and Kiwis mixed up.


Which is the ones that fuck sheep?

That's me, and the Welsh.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Also, it's really hard to keep track of things going on considering how fast people and how often post in this game.

I feel like missing important information is expected...

 

[Tubby23]

Also, it's really hard to keep track of things going on considering how fast people and how often post in this game.

I feel like missing important information is expected...

I really feel I might be better to swap to PC just for the sake of not missing info

 

[Dean]

Also, it's really hard to keep track of things going on considering how fast people and how often post in this game.

I feel like missing important information is expected...

This. It took me forever to get caught up AND still have time to post my thoughts on everyone.

 

[shortkut]

I thought we had agreed upon that I'm a moron...

It’s getting harder to not vote for you again.

You’ve responded to me pointing that out and tried to discount it to not go after Cole, now dean posts it with little to no explanation and you suddenly get it clearly? You’re either wolf or the worst wolf player

 

[TD]

Ok, so CG is unlikely to be the Wolf Seer. Wolf Seer sees exact roles, not auras. Dean's quotes of CG definitely suggests CG being an aura seer. I know I might be stating the obvious here, but I'm sure I'm not the only idiot in here

If the wolves used their seer role on Cole, it'd be pretty easy for any of the 4 of them to pretend to be the aura seer.

Just saying.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I really feel I might be better to swap to PC just for the sake of not missing info

I did the same.

It’s getting harder to not vote for you again.

You’ve responded to me pointing that out and tried to discount it to not go after Cole, now dean posts it with little to no explanation and you suddenly get it clearly? You’re either wolf or the worst wolf player

At no point did you say "CG is obviously a seer for the town". CG may have a potential out, where's your defense for not being a wolf, wolfman?

 

[Ants!]

Okay, so I’m removing my vote for FR for the following reasons:

1. First one is the primary one. He hinted at having an information-gathering role and that he can prove it tonight. I’m willing to let him have a shot. If he’s telling the truth, then we could end up being down another big role. We already lost the aura seer, so losing another role like that will really hurt. But if tomorrow he has nothing or he blunders and looks sus, I’ll feel better about lynching him.

2. Despite there being a lot of information, there doesn’t seem to be a slam-dunk case, just conflicting bandwagons. That’s always sus to me.

3. We still have the medium who can rez, and a possible Seeing from Alu. I know if we don’t start lynching then we are guaranteed a wolf or RK win, but since it is still day 1 then not lynching is still an option even if I don’t like it, it feels like such a waste.

Protectors keep your intentions silent and use your own judgement. Or, an alternative idea (if Zell allows it), Cole is our ONLY 100% certified townie who is still alive. He also has really sound judgment as the Ryan kill shows, as does his playing in the last two games. Maybe protectors can privately message him so he can make sure no two protectors guard the same person and we can spread out their protection the most efficiently. Thoughts on this? Any downsides I haven’t considered?

Anyways voting abstain and will likely keep it that way and see what we can accomplish in day 2.

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (6 required):

Fool's Requiem - 3 (Warp, canadaguy, Holly)
Holly - 1 (Cole)
shortkut - 1 (Fool's Requiem)
Tubby23 - 1 (VashTheStampede)

No vote - Raposa, Benzine, Dean, Tubby23, TD, shortkut, Ants!

Votes to skip (12 required):

Skip - 5 (Raposa, Holly, canadaguy, Warp, Benzine)

No vote - Dean, Cole, VashTheStampede, Tubby23, TD, Fool's Requiem, Ants!, shortkut

 

[TD]

This is how I expect tonight to go.
Good luck village, we'll probably need it.

 

[Raine]

Ok, so CG is unlikely to be the Wolf Seer. Wolf Seer sees exact roles, not auras.

Well, if we're to play Devil's Advocate, knowing the exact role someone has would make it a lot easier to focus on one aspect of it and pretend to be a different type of Seer.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Well, if we're to play Devil's Advocate, knowing the exact role someone has would make it a lot easier to focus on one aspect of it and pretend to be a different type of Seer.

I can see that.

 

[Ants!]

If he’s telling the truth, then we could end up being down another big role

Damn this no edit rule. To clarify: we would risk being down a big role if we did lynch him.

 

[Cole]

PMs are expressly forbidden.

also Ants thst you keep hopping off and on bandwagons is interesting and concerning.

it'd be crazy if you were wolf a third time... right?

 

[shortkut]

At no point did you say "CG is obviously a seer for the town". CG may have a potential out, where's your defense for not being a wolf, wolfman?

I posted my defense in response to Cole before. He referenced it in his long post

I also didn’t know I needed to explain things to you like you were 3. I say 3 instead of 5 because my four year old was able to extrapolate what an oracle and seer were after watching Aladdin and the King of Thieves just the other day, so you must need better context clues that her

 

[Tubby23]

Votes to lynch (6 required):

Fool's Requiem - 3 (Warp, canadaguy, Holly)
Holly - 1 (Cole)
shortkut - 1 (Fool's Requiem)
Tubby23 - 1 (VashTheStampede)

No vote - Raposa, Benzine, Dean, Tubby23, TD, shortkut, Ants!

Votes to skip (12 required):

Skip - 5 (Raposa, Holly, canadaguy, Warp, Benzine)

No vote - Dean, Cole, VashTheStampede, Tubby23, TD, Fool's Requiem, Ants!, shortkut

You've missed my vote for FR

 

[shortkut]

This is how I expect tonight to go.
Good luck village, we'll probably need it.

settle down there arsonist

 

[TD]

Well, if we're to play Devil's Advocate, knowing the exact role someone has would make it a lot easier to focus on one aspect of it and pretend to be a different type of Seer.

I've said this like 5 times.

I'm voting for Warp again.

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (6 required):

Fool's Requiem - 4 (Warp, canadaguy, Holly, Tubby23)
Holly - 1 (Cole)
shortkut - 1 (Fool's Requiem)
Tubby23 - 1 (VashTheStampede)
Warp - 1 (TD)

No vote - Raposa, Benzine, Dean, shortkut, Ants!

Votes to skip (12 required):

Skip - 5 (Raposa, Holly, canadaguy, Warp, Benzine)

No vote - Dean, Cole, VashTheStampede, Tubby23, TD, Fool's Requiem, Ants!, shortkut

 

[Raine]

Protectors keep your intentions silent and use your own judgement.

One of our two confirmed protectors is a double-edged sword. That's why however many pages back I suggested the Jailer take care of Cole and the Tough Guy take care of whichever other not-quite-subtle townie they trust more.

Berserk Wolf, if it exists, would run roughshod if multiple protectors chose Cole. Which is also something they need to be careful of.

 

[Dean]

All this vote switching is making it hard to follow. We only have a little over an hour. I'm about to go out to dinner. I am sticking with abstaining because I can't justify voting for shortkut, Fool's, or Holly, and they are my top 3 suspects. I think at least two of them are wolves.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I posted my defense in response to Cole before. He referenced it in his long post

I also didn’t know I needed to explain things to you like you were 3. I say 3 instead of 5 because my four year old was able to extrapolate what an oracle and seer were after watching Aladdin and the King of Thieves just the other day, so you must need better context clues that her

 

[TD]

settle down there arsonist

To be fair, assuming you haven't seen the movie - it's about a 1 on 3 gunfight.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Oh good, I posted that without the response....
kut, I don't understand why you've gotten so argessive with your statements. I thought you've agreed that I'm just a dumdum who doesn't know what he's doing. Now it seems like you're actively angry.

 

[Zell 17]

Protectors keep your intentions silent and use your own judgement. Or, an alternative idea (if Zell allows it), Cole is our ONLY 100% certified townie who is still alive. He also has really sound judgment as the Ryan kill shows, as does his playing in the last two games. Maybe protectors can privately message him so he can make sure no two protectors guard the same person and we can spread out their protection the most efficiently. Thoughts on this? Any downsides I haven’t considered?

Anyways voting abstain and will likely keep it that way and see what we can accomplish in day 2.

Protectors can tell me who to protect. They don’t get info.

 

[TD]

Oh good, I posted that without the response....
kut, I don't understand why you've gotten so argessive with your statements. I thought you've agreed that I'm just a dumdum who doesn't know what he's doing. Now it seems like you're actively angry.

Kut was also very aggressively calling for Cole to get killed during the day. When the priest failed, he still kept calling for it.

He seems to actively want the town torn apart.

 

[shortkut]

Oh good, I posted that without the response....
kut, I don't understand why you've gotten so argessive with your statements. I thought you've agreed that I'm just a dumdum who doesn't know what he's doing. Now it seems like you're actively angry.

I’m not even close to angry… dumbfounded maybe. I’m sorry if over the internet it came across as more combative than I intended

 

[Cole]

I vote skip

I'm over this day. let's see what happens.