Zell Wolf GWF Wolf - Zell's Version Night 1/Day 1/Night 2

[VashTheStampede]

I am officially voting for Tubby until i change my mind for what appears to be no reason but is surely a well-thought out conclusion.

also to make zell update the counts again

 

[Fool's Requiem]

48 more comments to 1k

 

[VashTheStampede]

48 more comments to 1k

 

[Zell 17]

@Zell 17
clarification please.

Wolf seer: Cannot vote with the other wolves unless they resign their ability to See.

Does this mean when the wolves vote on their night kill, or when they are voting during the day for lynching?

When they do their nighttime kill.

Basically if they are by themselves, they need to resign in order to kill. If there are two wolves and the other is jailed, same deal.

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (6 required):

Fool's Requiem - 5 (Warp, shortkut, canadaguy, TD, Holly)
Warp - 1 (Ants!)
Holly - 1 (Cole)
shortkut - 1 (Fool's Requiem)
Tubby23 - 1 (VashTheStampede)

No vote - Raposa, Benzine, Dean, Tubby23

Votes to skip (12 required):

Skip - 6 (Raposa, Holly, shortkut, canadaguy, Warp, Benzine)

No vote - Ants!, Dean, Cole, VashTheStampede, Tubby23, TD, Fool's Requiem

 

[Cole]

Okay let's do this. It won't be as in-depth as you and more high-level because I'm running out of time for the evening shortly.

1 = Not a wolf, 10 = you're a wolf

Raposa - 5/10, players who don't say much can mean a lot of things. Maybe you're just not active, maybe you're trying not to call attention to yourself, for good or bad reasons. I have no read on this situation right now.

Fool's Requiem - 7/10, I had to think back on this one, he's truthfully been all over the place in Day 1. The cherry on top was when I thought back to him basically saying I was the medium and the wolves are trying to get rid of me. Calling me the medium at that point felt like a complete stretch out of nowhere, the medium is a key role for us and even if you think you know who they are, you don't call it out like that.

canadaguy - 6/10, This is me playing the probability game. He either is who he alludes to be (which we can probably verify soon), or he's the wolf seer or in league with the wolf seer. It's reasonable to think the wolf seer would target Cole and thus know so much about who they are. If you know someone's exact roles, you can easily manipulate your knowledge of that role into being perceived as something else entirely.

shortkut - 6/10, This is the hardest one to judge right now for me too. He's being reckless. Him, canadaguy, and Ryan were the big three calling for Cole to be taken out, that alone makes him on this side of the scale. As I've very bluntly put many times, it's a reckless and dumb play to make. But we know how disruptive Cole can be to the opposing side.

Benzine - 5/10, Doesn't say enough. I have no idea right now.

Warp - 3/10, I have swung on this one completely. Just thinking about the way he carries himself and interacts with me, I believe he is one of the unknowns that lurks in our village.

Ants - 0/10, Yeah, nothing wolfy about this guy. Comes across as very innocent.

Cole - 0/10, We know.

Dean - 4/10, Only slightly to the none wolf side as he seemed to understand that killing Cole was not a great idea but he didn't go all in on it. Also has been very quiet, though.

Tubby23 - 5/10, Pineapple on pizza? Really. Okay no but really, you're quiet too.

Vash - 3/10, If he's a wolf, he's being incredibly bold being as involved as he is and backing up my ideas left, right, and center. It's a big brain play if so. He very well could be playing this very well, but for now, he's not a target.

TD - 0/10, It should be obvious which side I'm on.

Holly - 5.5/10, hard to get a read on, has made some really solid comments but has also done some weird things. Only ever so slightly do I see them swaying to this side, but that could change soon.

I think you're missing something about canadaguy, I'm sorry, but his suspicion has to be near 0. Or he's masterfully playing me, but not you. But I'm reasonably sure on cg.

shortkut, meanwhile, is a different story. I can definitely believe that bet. His insinuation o f something is FAR less reliable.

Right now I unfortunately think Holly is my best point of interest.

 

[Zell 17]

Also apparently I'm going out to dinner tonight. I was just told. Welcome to marriage I guess.

So if I lock the thread at 9 PM just go ahead and start the night actions. Unless you are dead.

 

[Cole]

Sorry to let you down. It screams of me changing my vote because you challenged me because that's what it is. I have no idea who to vote for, I agree that FR has been acting suspicious. I wanted to abstain, but abstaining only guarantees we lose more townies tonight with no shot at bagging a wolf. So, feeling like I need to do something decisive, I voted FR.

I understand. Im a confirmed townie and I'm a "presence" in these games, and it easily intimidated you into changing your vote.

but you did it so casually with a vote to the nearest bandwagon.

You have to agree it looks bad.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Guys I might need to be protected tonight for outing all the wolves

 

[VashTheStampede]

Actually don't protect me I'm pretty worthless

 

[VashTheStampede]

(Now you can protect me cause the wolves think you won't)

 

[Benzine]

Also apparently I'm going out to dinner tonight. I was just told. Welcome to marriage I guess.

Variety is the spice of life... Night without kids... A nice surprise... Take ya pick.

 

[Zell 17]

Variety is the spice of life... Night without kids... A nice surprise... Take ya pick.

Oh yeah good point. No idea what we're doing with the kids.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Also apparently I'm going out to dinner tonight. I was just told. Welcome to marriage I guess.

As someone who loves eating out, I see this as a total win. Not only do you get to eat out, you get to do it with someone who loves you.

 

[VashTheStampede]

 

[Benzine]

Oh yeah good point. No idea what we're doing with the kids.

It's about time they started pulling some weight and ran this wolf game.

 

[Holly]

I understand. Im a confirmed townie and I'm a "presence" in these games, and it easily intimidated you into changing your vote.

but you did it so casually with a vote to the nearest bandwagon.

You have to agree it looks bad.

I don't intend for it to be casual, I was - and am - trying to read the game. I don't have a seer role, so I'm forced to base my judgment on what is said in this thread.

This isn't the first time in a game I've inadvertently done something to make myself look bad. Coming out guns blazing accusing you of lying comes to mind.

 

[Zell 17]

guns blazing

 

[Cole]

I don't intend for it to be casual, I was - and am - trying to read the game. I don't have a seer role, so I'm forced to base my judgment on what is said in this thread.

This isn't the first time in a game I've inadvertently done something to make myself look bad. Coming out guns blazing accusing you of lying comes to mind.

I understand. And I've put you in an even worse spot by accusing you.

But I need a direction, and you're giving it to me.

 

[TD]

Fuck.

Yeah, I got some hunches but I'm not convinced.

I'm going out soon, so on the off chance I don't make it back before 9 and catch up.

I vote abstain.

If I make it back before 9 and I'm convinced, this'll change.

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (6 required):

Fool's Requiem - 4 (Warp, shortkut, canadaguy, Holly)
Warp - 1 (Ants!)
Holly - 1 (Cole)
shortkut - 1 (Fool's Requiem)
Tubby23 - 1 (VashTheStampede)

No vote - Raposa, Benzine, Dean, Tubby23, TD

Votes to skip (12 required):

Skip - 6 (Raposa, Holly, shortkut, canadaguy, Warp, Benzine)

No vote - Ants!, Dean, Cole, VashTheStampede, Tubby23, TD, Fool's Requiem

 

[Cole]

just for the record I started this  witch wolf hunt by saying If people didn't want to, I was fine abstaining. I still am.

 

[Cole]

but just remember. chances are I die tonight.

and should I come back...

 

[Fool's Requiem]

but just remember. chances are I die tonight.

and should I come back...

I think the possibility of happening should dessuade wolves from killing you unless they take out the Medium.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

*dissuade

I can't spell for shit.

 

[Ants!]

Still need to catch up, and if I have time before the close of day phase I’ll read more thoroughly and draw my own conclusions, but right now I’ll jump on this bandwagon for two reasons:

1. One way to guarantee a townie loss is to NEVER lynch. The fool is gone, we take our shots. This isn’t a regular first day, we have plenty of information.

2. Even if I can’t be sure if he’s wolf yet, at least he doesn’t seem to be contributing much and won’t be a huge loss either way.

So switching my vote to Fool’s Requiem for now.

 

[Ants!]

@VashTheStampede impossible, you already gave me a “good egg” sticker.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I can't contribute much until the night phase.

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (6 required):

Fool's Requiem - 5 (Warp, shortkut, canadaguy, Holly, Ants!)
Holly - 1 (Cole)
shortkut - 1 (Fool's Requiem)
Tubby23 - 1 (VashTheStampede)

No vote - Raposa, Benzine, Dean, Tubby23, TD

Votes to skip (12 required):

Skip - 6 (Raposa, Holly, shortkut, canadaguy, Warp, Benzine)

No vote - Dean, Cole, VashTheStampede, Tubby23, TD, Fool's Requiem, Ants!

 

[Ants!]

I can't contribute much until the night phase.

Interesting. I’ll look over the roles sheet again too if I have time.

No reason to believe you at the moment though.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

... that sounded sus. My ability last night provided me no clues, so hoping for better luck tonight.

 

[Ants!]

Everyone who votes for you sounds sus.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

No reason to believe you at the moment though.

I understand. Hard to know who bad in the first round. I do agree not having the Fool around makes it to vote for someone round 1.

 

[shortkut]

I don’t feel strongly about anyone at this moment. My suspects in order

@Fool's Requiem
@TD
@Holly
@Benzine
@Ants! tied with @VashTheStampede

That being said, I don’t like how easily the bandwagon is forming on FR without more evidence that he doesn’t just suck at not coming across as very suspicious

Vote change to abstain

One more night should be enough to determine more information.

@canadaguy I'm curious who your top 2-3 suspects are to see if we overlap at all

 

[Benzine]

Here's my list of suspects:

Raposa
Fool's Requiem
canadaguy
shortkut
Warp
Ants!
Dean
Tubby23
VashTheStampede
TD
Holly

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (6 required):

Fool's Requiem - 4 (Warp, canadaguy, Holly, Ants!)
Holly - 1 (Cole)
shortkut - 1 (Fool's Requiem)
Tubby23 - 1 (VashTheStampede)

No vote - Raposa, Benzine, Dean, Tubby23, TD, shortkut

Votes to skip (12 required):

Skip - 5 (Raposa, Holly, canadaguy, Warp, Benzine)

No vote - Dean, Cole, VashTheStampede, Tubby23, TD, Fool's Requiem, Ants!, shortkut

 

[shortkut]

Forgot, remove skip vote

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Here's my list of suspects:

Raposa
Fool's Requiem
canadaguy
shortkut
Warp
Ants!
Dean
Tubby23
VashTheStampede
TD
Holly

 

[Raine]

I'm not actually going to remove my vote, because... that would be suspicious. That's not how I operate.

However, I do concede that there is a fair likelihood that the town will be better equipped tomorrow if left as-is. And watching people place and remove votes on FR has been fascinating.

 

[Cole]

I still think we need to vote today. but if we can't come to a consensus, I'd rather not at the same time.

if we can't agree on a person suspicious enough to ATTEMPT? then we shouldn't.

 

[Ants!]

FR is claiming to have an information-gathering role, so I’m considering letting him have another day phase as a shot to try to prove it.

I had to work late today, but I’m almost off. Then I’ll have time to look things over more.

 

[shortkut]

I'm not actually going to remove my vote, because... that would be suspicious. That's not how I operate.

However, I do concede that there is a fair likelihood that the town will be better equipped tomorrow if left as-is. And watching people place and remove votes on FR has been fascinating.

I’m not going to lie, I won’t shed any tears if FR is lynched and has any role from medium to berserker wolf. I’m just not prepared to be responsible for lynching him just because in every game, every post makes him suspicious. On day 2 if he’s alive, I might reconsider

 

[shortkut]

I still think we need to vote today. but if we can't come to a consensus, I'd rather not at the same time.

if we can't agree on a person suspicious enough to ATTEMPT? then we shouldn't.

FR is claiming to have an information-gathering role, so I’m considering letting him have another day phase as a shot to try to prove it.

I had to work late today, but I’m almost off. Then I’ll have time to look things over more.

These two reasons are why I removed my vote. I’m concerned at least some of the bandwagoners are wolves

 

[Tubby23]

Ok I've just woken up so apologies for my inactivity, it's a glorious Saturday morning in Aus.

As I worried would happen Cole, and subsequently others, has now made a detail post analysing the game and my morning brain is slowly marinating in it. At the same time the voting has got to the point where my vote could be pivotal in killing a wolf or the final nail in killing an innocent townie. Potential to be a hero or a zero, another Leeroy Jenkins moment for me I suppose.

So in terms of my analysis of the teams/level of suss this is what I have:

100% town: Cole (confirmed)

Very likely good:
- TD
- Warp
- canadaguy

Sitting in the middle:
- Vash
- Holly
- Dean
- kut
- Ants!

Showing wolf-like tendencies:
- Raposa (I've never played the game with them but something comes across off about their play)
- Benzine (trying again to fly under the radar, in the last game when they had the Medium role they attempted the same before unluckily being killed. I feel like their MO when they have a powerful role is to try fly under the radar, have contributed little to any discussion and I know the reasoning last time was real life and timezone being in NZ but it just seems really really fishy)

Giving me the worst vibe and therefore my vote: Fool's Requiem
Either just as confused as some of the rest of us or playing erratically to throw us off his Wolfy scent at all but it just gives me this strong feeling that something isn't right. As Ants! also noted they've not necessarily contributed any Intel to the discussion and given the roles within the town it makes me think they're a wolf and have no way to reveal their own Intel without outing themselves.

 

[Benzine]

What is a wolf like tendency? Any player can play in any style they so choose. I think could just as easily say the opposite reasons for everyone else, trying to be convincing of being a townie. It's just pointless so early, it's just guessing rather than identifying patterns or using more solid information.

What basically amounts to guessing has gone quite well in the Zell games, but it won't always be that way.

Don't you worry, when I have some opinions form with a little more oomph, I'll say what I think. Well, if I make it that far.

 

[Benzine]

I have to go do some Dad stuff for a bit, in case I get queried and I don't respond.

 

[Cole]

Showing wolf-like tendencies:
- Raposa (I've never played the game with them but something comes across off about their play)
- Benzine (trying again to fly under the radar, in the last game when they had the Medium role they attempted the same before unluckily being killed. I feel like their MO when they have a powerful role is to try fly under the radar, have contributed little to any discussion and I know the reasoning last time was real life and timezone being in NZ but it just seems really really fishy)

I find this odd. them being inactive can't be a read. one of them is a confirmed New Zealander unless he's moved. and the others a known troll.

no evidence is not evidence... why do you think it is?

 

[Raine]

These two reasons are why I removed my vote. I’m concerned at least some of the bandwagoners are wolves

That's going to be the case regardless of whether he's a wolf or not at this point, to be fair. He's received votes from more than half the alive players.

 

[Dean]

Okay, here is where my head is at, putting my cards on the table. My role isn't the greatest. After having The Marksman last game, I was hoping to have a better role this time. I haven't been especially active because I'm not that useful. That being said, I obviously don't want to die again lol. I've been legitimate busy but also trying not to attract attention from the wolves or solo killer.

Here is my grouping of everyone:

Not suspicious: Cole, canadaguy, TD, Tubby
Hard to read: Raposa, Vash, Ants!, Warp
Suspicious: shortkut, Fool's Requiem, Holly, Benzine

Here is my reasoning:
Cole is obviously the Gunner. Canadaguy appears to be some sort of seer, based on how he has broken down auras in his posts when arguing with Cole. TD has consistently made more sense in the game than anyone else. Tubby is between not suspicious and hard to read for me, but he really hasn't said or done anything too out of the norm for him, doesn't appear to be bandwagon jumping, and his posts make sense.

Raposa and Vash are jokesters (yeah I said it) and I can't make heads or (wolf)tails out of their play style and commentary. Vash has gone between hard to read, to suspicious, to not suspicious... Warp has jumped around a little bit in his posts, and while Ants! has made sense at times, he seems to be aggressive with arguing over some players' alignment. The aggressive arguing in general when there was a lack of evidence concerned me, but now, I think we are going to have to make some tough decisions.

I could be wrong, but I feel like shortkut has been trying to lead the town in the wrong direction. He's been vocal as usual, but he's also been pushing for several people, including Fool's. The way the two of them have been arguing, it makes me wonder if they are wolves together, trying to throw us off. Holly jumped on the bandwagon a couple of times, and I don't remember her being so careless last time. Benzine is acting weird with their posts, but admittedly I don't play against them a lot. I still think the lack of activity and the snarky tone is... strange. Someone who knows them better may be able to confirm.

I don't know who to vote for. I wish we had more concrete info. I don't think anyone else has a really strong argument for someone. Even the people who are innocent, I am not convinced they know either. I don't want to let a day go to waste, but I don't want to kill another villager.

 

[shortkut]

Canadaguy appears to be some sort of seer, based on how he has broken down auras in his posts when arguing with Cole

I don’t believe he actually said the word aura this thread