Zell Wolf GWF Wolf - Zell’s Game 5 Night 2 / Day 2

[VashTheStampede]

New rule, no outright "are you new" insults

They have to be hinted at

 

[A Punched Face]

New rule, no outright "are you new" insults

They have to be hinted at

 

[VashTheStampede]

Also technically I think two of our players are on their SECOND day so yeah pretty close

 

[Local Hero]

 

[A Punched Face]

Also technically I think two of our players are on their SECOND day so yeah pretty close

Second day in the games here and apparently already a successful bell ringer (to be confirmed). What a world.

 

[Local Hero]

Second day in the games here and apparently already a successful bell ringer (to be confirmed). What a world.

To be fair, if Ben-zine are wolves. -zine can just say, "Ben, learn how to role claim as a wolf with this one simple trick. Townies hate it!"

Though I don't think this is the case

 

[TD]

But if TD isn't back on before 9am, then he can't use his power today anyway. We might just get lucky if he's a sleepy fuck.

You're so sure that I'm the Shadow Wolf and I'm by far leading the votes, in what world does it make any sense for the ability to not be used? That makes no sense. Yes, I'm aware that it's been used by now but this is a really strange thing to put out there.

you vote kill TD, if he's not a wolf, the medium brings him back and we have AT MINIMUM two wolves veritably confitmed.

Cole, this isn't a bad idea in theory if the Medium survives.

The Current only way this Ben Benzine Coalition makes any sense is Cupid Considered they'd be a Cute Couple. I feel rather Confident that Cupid did not make them a Couple.

Which of course. Openly talking about Shadow Wolf and tagging Ben in the open actually makes complete sense for the wolves. They would've had to make their plan in the night phase and then in the day phase send a hint to eachother that the plan is a go.

What better hint than tagging someone and asking them who they would vote for?

It's their plan... speaking of...

 

[Cole]

You're so sure that I'm the Shadow Wolf and I'm by far leading the votes, in what world does it make any sense for the ability to not be used? That makes no sense. Yes, I'm aware that it's been used by now but this is a really strange thing to put out there.

Cole, this isn't a bad idea in theory if the Medium survives.

The Current only way this Ben Benzine Coalition makes any sense is Cupid Considered they'd be a Cute Couple. I feel rather Confident that Cupid did not make them a Couple.

Which of course. Openly talking about Shadow Wolf and tagging Ben in the open actually makes complete sense for the wolves. They would've had to make their plan in the night phase and then in the day phase send a hint to eachother that the plan is a go.

What better hint than tagging someone and asking them who they would vote for?

It's their plan... speaking of...

you're getting desperate. this is the only play.

based on your past reads I have absolutely zero confidence you know who the medium is.

kill TD, prove what he is. if he's a wolf, problem solved. if he's not a wolf, revive him and kill a trio.

that's easy math.

feel free to add me to your list of suspects now, because it'll only make you look more guilty.

I'll be making a ONE TIME ONLY vote change to TD.

but if someone could kill me tonight, that would be nice

 

[Cole]

hey let's not forget that the last person Ants was suspicious of was TD. and I said in my first post, that's who I would've checked.

it's also what lead to Ben checking both Ants and TD.

can we move on now?

 

[TD]

I'm the Doctor. Period.

The accusation of me being Shadow Wolf is bold but to win this the wolves need to be super aggressive.

So here's what I think happened:
- Accuse TD of Shadow Wolf with another hilarious Bell Ringer claim from team Benzine because memes
- The only way out is for me to claim doctor
- Benzine follows my doctor claim despite me hinting at it before actually claiming it
- They bought it! Quick let's shadow to make him suspicious
- With shadow in place I do not think I am their target, they're going for either the Aura Seer or the Medium
- Why not follow through on me or kill me at night? That's easy, everyone thinks I'm guilty so may as well keep me around
- Kill a townie today, kill one tonight, kill one tomorrow? The wolves are on the path to victory for the first time

Doubting Tubby and calling him sus is a poor play. He's the aura seer and right now, he's the only one really questioning this. As Cole would say "people lie" and you're all just eating it up.

The current pace the town is at:
- The actual town may lynch the doctor, whether that's today or tomorrow
- The wolves are going to kill the aura seer or medium today, the other will probably die tonight

 

[TD]

you're getting desperate. this is the only play.

I would've expected that as Cupid you'd see through the Ben/Benzine alliance.

 

[Cole]

it's so desperate to claim they'd kill the medium tonight and that that is why the plan would fail.

 

[TD]

it's so desperate to claim they'd kill the medium tonight and that that is why the plan would fail.

I'm not saying tonight. I'm saying today with the shadow ability. The medium is going to know a wolf by tomorrow AND potentially be able to revive someone.

C'mon Cole.

 

[Cole]

how would the medium die today? lol

you're getting increasingly desperate.

 

[TD]

Anyhow, vote me and kill your doctor or let the wolves vote out the aura seer or medium today.

Your choice.

 

[Local Hero]

TDs claim does make sense, especially with Benzine claiming doctor right after.

However, if both TD and Tubby are alive tomorrow and are townies, that's bad for the wolves. A doctor and seer are very strong. The wolves could target others to random chance get the medium, but that's a shot in the dark.

 

[TD]

how would the medium die today? lol

Shadow vote. 8 votes for them by the wolves today. C'mon Cole.

 

[Local Hero]

TDs claim does make sense, especially with Benzine claiming doctor right after.

However, if both TD and Tubby are alive tomorrow and are townies, that's bad for the wolves. A doctor and seer are very strong. The wolves could target others to random chance get the medium, but that's a shot in the dark.

In other words, if either TD or Tubby are innocent, we have a trio of wolves.

 

[Tubby23]

In other words, if either TD or Tubby are innocent, we have a trio of wolves.

We have four wolves alive with 8 votes to use now. So we can guarantee another lost townie today

 

[TD]

Let's look at the Shadow Wolf and two key parts as to why their vote is so powerful and why they need to signal each other during the day. Which is why the only other way this makes sense is if Ben/Benzine are Cupid'd but based on yesterday I don't think that's the case.


wolves votes will be doubled. If the shadow wolf is on the wolf team, the wolves will not be able to communicate with each other privately during the day until AFTER the night after the shadow wolf ability has been used.

 

[Cole]

Shadow vote. 8 votes for them by the wolves today. C'mon Cole.

that would require them to know who the medium is, they don't. you're desperate. and if the medium does die after you so blatantly claimed you know who they are, then you're definitely a wolf. is this YOUR first day?

In other words, if either TD or Tubby are innocent, we have a trio of wolves.

and if TD or Tubby are a wolf. so are you.

 

[Local Hero]

We have four wolves alive with 8 votes to use now. So we can guarantee another lost townie today

I'm talking about after tonight's phase as well

 

[Local Hero]

that would require them to know who the medium is, they don't. you're desperate. and if the medium does die after you so blatantly claimed you know who they are, then you're definitely a wolf. is this YOUR first day?

and if TD or Tubby are a wolf. so are you.

 

[TD]

that would require them to know who the medium is, they don't. you're desperate. and if the medium does die after you so blatantly claimed you know who they are, then you're definitely a wolf.

The Medium has been as subtle as a brick through your window.

 

[Cole]

The Medium has been as subtle as a brick through your window.

right.

and I was OBVIOUSLY the bad cop last game because I said the word donut or some shit like that, right?

don't I vaguely remember you accusing me of being the shadow wolf this game becsuse I said the word "shadow"? lol

 

[TD]

right.

and I was OBVIOUSLY the bad cop last game because I said the word donut or some shit like that, right?

don't I vaguely remember you accusing me of being the shadow wolf this game becsuse I said the word "shadow"? lol

I thought you were supposed to be good at this game?

 

[TD]

So Cole now thinks that me, Tubby (our aura seer), and Local are the wolves.

You call MY reads bad.

 

[Local Hero]

 

[Cole]

I thought you were supposed to be good at this game?

you were wrong.

lol as usual.

 

[TD]

 

[TD]

I'm going to be leaving for a day hike soon and will be in an area with no signal for about half the day.

The town needs to decide what is the best course of action:
- Kill me
- Kill Ben
- Let the wolves kill their target

 

[Smacktard]

I'm the Doctor. Period.

The accusation of me being Shadow Wolf is bold but to win this the wolves need to be super aggressive.

So here's what I think happened:
- Accuse TD of Shadow Wolf with another hilarious Bell Ringer claim from team Benzine because memes
- The only way out is for me to claim doctor
- Benzine follows my doctor claim despite me hinting at it before actually claiming it
- They bought it! Quick let's shadow to make him suspicious
- With shadow in place I do not think I am their target, they're going for either the Aura Seer or the Medium
- Why not follow through on me or kill me at night? That's easy, everyone thinks I'm guilty so may as well keep me around
- Kill a townie today, kill one tonight, kill one tomorrow? The wolves are on the path to victory for the first time

Doubting Tubby and calling him sus is a poor play. He's the aura seer and right now, he's the only one really questioning this. As Cole would say "people lie" and you're all just eating it up.

The current pace the town is at:
- The actual town may lynch the doctor, whether that's today or tomorrow
- The wolves are going to kill the aura seer or medium today, the other will probably die tonight

Siri play "Desperados"

 

[TD]

One more thing for brevity before I head out.

Everyone keeps talking about 3 of the 3 random roles being claimed/confirmed.

Ben is not the bell ringer.
Cole is not the bell ringer, but he did tell you who he is.

That means 2 random roles are still out there - and that's why for now, I'm saying Ben and not Benzine.

 

[Tubby23]

View attachment 2469
no, i do not think that i will.

Stellar rebuttal

 

[Tommy Boy]

I'm still aligned with Ben's post outlining everything happening right now. Vash knows who Cupid is, and they are not a concern. The focus should be TD, then moving on from there. I feel pretty good about Benzine this game, too. I didn't expect shadow wolf to activate their power until tomorrow because that would make the most sense, but now that it has been activated, I believe it was a last ditch effort by TD to veil the town and try and find safety. A lot rides on the claims we're voting for, so I think logically we should see how it plays out before being quick to lynch someone entirely different. I'm keeping my vote the same.

However, once we settle that debacle, there is still the issue of two people claiming doctor. Now, though possible, until we know if Ben is actually Bell Ringer, it's impossible to deduce what random village roles are left. We have a witch and a jailer that can protect, and at least one of those people should protect Ben tonight. Hopefully they both don't use their ability on Ben

 

[Tommy Boy]

To add onto my post without editing: The reason I feel cupid is not a concern is because they are a good aura and considered a townie. The only time this would be a problem is if the couple they selected had an evil person, and even then, it wouldn't be the cupid who's evil. The couple would have to be slain, not cupid. Cupid is the least of our worries as a town right now.

 

[Tommy Boy]

As dangerous as it sounds, I think eventually the couple needs to reveal themselves. If they choose not to, then we can assume that one of them is evil and obviously wouldn't want to do so. The issue with that is if they're both good and reveal, it's an easy 2 for 1 kill for the wolves the next night. If one is bad, we have no way of knowing because the good half of the couple wouldn't reveal. So, I think that's going to turn into a headache after today. I just don't want to suggest revelations yet because that would be damaging to townies if they're both good. So, just something to think about that we will have to face soon.

 

[shortkut]

The Cupid can’t do shit now so it didn’t matter

 

[VashTheStampede]

No but it's nice to know who your friends are

 

[TD]

I'm at the park gate so final comments cause I likely won't be back until after dark.

Benzine said he's a doctor, and I confirmed.

Freudian slip? The aura seer does not see exact roles.

If Tubby is the aura seer like I suspect, this looks bad for you.

We have a witch and a jailer that can protect, and at least one of those people should protect Ben tonight. Hopefully they both don't use their ability on Ben

TOMMY. WHAT ARE YOU DOING?

As I said, I went back and looked at Day 1 gifs for role claims. I believe you are who you have hinted.

I'm going to point this out because I'm trying to HELP THE TOWN.

Even IF you believe Ben, this is a dumb move. The bell ringer is a one time use and his death is the only thing that'll prove right now who is telling the truth. The only reason for Ben to end up in jail is if the jailer wants to keep the OPTION of killing Ben in their pocket.

Our protection priorities should be the Medium and the Aura Seer.

 

[Zell 17]

I'm back now to....secretly tally votes I guess

 

[Zell 17]

Note that even if you voted in the thread you need to PM me a vote for it to count

 

[VashTheStampede]

Yeah, regardless of whether you believe his claim, I think protecting Ben might be a trifle silly. No offense.

 

[TD]

Final post cause going deep into Algonquin Forest:

Our role claims that impact the random 3.

Bell Ringer - Ben & Cole (lol no)
Aura Seer - Tubby & Smacktard
Doctor - Me & Benzine

Based on Benzine's comments about the RK, I'm inclined to believe him. I'm also leaning Tubby as the aura seer and not Kelly.

Which brings me to the important part:

I am voting for Ben.
This makes it impossible for us to outvote the wolves and whoever they are planning to kill is going to die.

@Benzine
You have no reason to believe me, but I believe you so I'm going to say it. My first priority tonight will be protecting the Medium. My second priority tonight will be protecting the Aura Seer. I'm not going to suggest who you protect, you're good at this. Just remember, there's a Nightmare Wolf out there and a Random Wolf.

 

[VashTheStampede]

That's the main thing that bothers me about Ben's claim.

If he's the bell-ringer, he knows his job here is done. He's just a vanilla townie now and there's more important people to protect.

Real weird to ask for protection.

 

[Ben]

I'm going to be leaving for a day hike soon and will be in an area with no signal for about half the day.

You know who else goes for hikes in the woods without a cellphone? Wolves.

The town needs to decide what is the best course of action:
- Kill me

Yes.

You're so sure that I'm the Shadow Wolf and I'm by far leading the votes, in what world does it make any sense for the ability to not be used? That makes no sense. Yes, I'm aware that it's been used by now but this is a really strange thing to put out there.

I am sure you're the Shadow Wolf. Because you are.

I admit I overlooked that you could have PM'd Zell at any point prior to going to sleep and it'd take a while for him to get to the PM. Your power activating didn't necessarily need you to be here at the time. I was just trying to find every potential angle to avoid your power and the whole "12 hours left minimum" thing stuck out.

Even IF you believe Ben, this is a dumb move. The bell ringer is a one time use and his death is the only thing that'll prove right now who is telling the truth. The only reason for Ben to end up in jail is if the jailer wants to keep the OPTION of killing Ben in their pocket.

That's the main thing that bothers me about Ben's claim.

If he's the bell-ringer, he knows his job here is done. He's just a vanilla townie now and there's more important people to protect.

Real weird to ask for protection.

I assumed after announcing my role, I was going to be the target of the wolves tonight. The suggestion of jailing me was more so that the Doctor wasn't the one expending their power to save me and as my power is now gone, it doesn't matter that I can't do anything in there.

I'm also fine not getting locked up and just see what happens. At this point if I die it'll just prove that I'm telling the truth, which then dooms the actual wolves.

kill TD, prove what he is. if he's a wolf, problem solved. if he's not a wolf, revive him and kill a trio.

that's easy math.

hey let's not forget that the last person Ants was suspicious of was TD. and I said in my first post, that's who I would've checked.

it's also what lead to Ben checking both Ants and TD.

can we move on now?

This is sound logic. While I don't want to speak for Benzine or Smacktard, I do trust that both of them are legit and it seems we're aligned on this. If TD was not a wolf, then you can just resurrect him and you've got 3 of us to go after tomorrow. I guarantee that won't be necessary, though.

My suspect list right now is;
TD - Certain he's the Shadow Wolf.
Tubby23 - Highly sus. Might possibly be the Nightmare Wolf, given the earlier claim that said wolf prevented them using their power.
Local Hero - Not very confident on this one, but he's gone back and forth siding with TD/Tubby. The "I'm switching my vote to TD" post after the shadow dropped seems a little convenient, when their actual shadow vote could actually be anything.

Who I trust;
Me - Bell Ringer.
Benzine - Trusting they're the real Doctor. No actual confirmation for this one, but I know TD isn't the doc, so I'm going to believe Benzine.
Smacktard - Again based on trust, but if they're the Aura Seer and have checked Benzine and know he's a good player, I'll accept it.

No sure;
Tommy Boy - Benzine's said he protected Tommy Boy from being killed, probably by the RK, and I believe Tommy Boy claimed to be the Priest? Maybe I'm wrong about that bit, and it would have to be another random role meaning all 3 would have been claimed (Red Lady, Bell Ringer and Priest.)

No real idea;
Analutics
Christina
Cole
Jawneh
shortkut
VashTheStampede

Aside: I'm trying real hard not to go full analyst on this shit and start plugging data into Tableau.

 

[Tubby23]

Aside: I'm trying real hard not to go full analyst on this shit and start plugging data into Tableau.

May I suggest you do.

 

[shortkut]

No but it's nice to know who your friends are

I’ll be your friend

 

[VashTheStampede]

Nope I said who I seered and then what happened last night.

Did you?

I just went back and skimmed through your posts (albeit briefly) and didn't see you mention who you seered.

Help me out here

 

[Local Hero]

No sure;
Tommy Boy - Benzine's said he protected Tommy Boy from being killed, probably by the RK, and I believe Tommy Boy claimed to be the Priest?

He did joke earlier about watering someone, but I think it was just a joke. He was priest in a previous game.

He said day 1, pretty explicitly "Tommy Boy waters Alu" but Zell never did any action afterwards, which means he is definitely not priest