Zell Wolf GWF Wolf - Zell’s Game 5 Night 2 / Day 2

[Benzine]

I don't follow

I wasn't totally sober while playing yesterday, and I was worried that I didn't know what I had stopped. I read the wolves lists, but because I didn't trust myself I asked Alu to check, as I know he's super attentive to the roles and rules each time. He confirmed that no other wolf could've been the kill - so it must be the SK.

 

[Benzine]

You don't have to use a kill each night with either. SK you can save and stack. Corrupter is use it or lose it

So did they only use one kill last night? Where's the other dead person?

I'm not sure it's totally important we know right now either, but I do enjoy trying to work it out.

 

[Local Hero]

I wasn't totally sober while playing yesterday, and I was worried that I didn't know what I had stopped. I read the wolves lists, but because I didn't trust myself I asked Alu to check, as I know he's super attentive to the roles and rules each time. He confirmed that no other wolf could've been the kill - so it must be the SK.

Ahhhh, thanks. I thought you meant he was another seer

 

[Local Hero]

So did they only use one kill last night? Where's the other dead person?

I'm not sure it's totally important we know right now either, but I do enjoy trying to work it out.

SK:
Night 1: Accrued a kill
Night 2: Accrued a kill, attempted a kill. 1 kill still in bank.
Night 3 (tonight) Accrue a kill, two available.

Or

Corrupter:
Night 1: Did not use their kill
Night 2: Tried to use their

I think these are the possibilities

 

[Jawneh]

It does seem like SK is the more probable killer here. Corrupter would have no reason not to kill. All the solo killers are distinctly unique in the way all the kills are done, so it's not like you can really hide yourself. Arsonist, illusionist and instigator are the only ones who might not openly show anything until much later. And corrupter trying to feign bring serial killer just seems weird. They wouldn't benefit at all from thinking they have one extra kill when they don't.

So it should be SK. With +1 in the bank.

 

[Local Hero]

It does seem like SK is the more probable killer here. Corrupter would have no reason not to kill. All the solo killers are distinctly unique in the way all the kills are done, so it's not like you can really hide yourself. Arsonist, illusionist and instigator are the only ones who might not openly show anything until much later. And corrupter trying to feign bring serial killer just seems weird. They wouldn't benefit at all from thinking they have one extra kill when they don't.

So it should be SK. With +1 in the bank.

I can see the corrupter waiting until they have a clear townie target so they don't get rid of wolves on accident, à la Vash

 

[Jawneh]

Maybe. They could be the next canadaguy though.

 

[Benzine]

I can see the corrupter waiting until they have a clear townie target so they don't get rid of wolves on accident, à la Vash

Why? Just kill as much as you can surely is the way.

 

[Benzine]

And I think that was a la raposa, did Vash miss a lot too?

 

[Local Hero]

Vash was arsonist and targeted like 3 wolves randomly by the time he set the town on fire, securing townie victory

 

[Benzine]

Ah yeah that’s right haha

 

[Benzine]

That’s just Vash cracking under pressure and being unable to hide

 

[shortkut]

Oh shit.

What if Cupid accidentally matched the RK with a wolf?

That would be great for the town if we can get them both with one lynch

 

[TD]

I can see the corrupter waiting until they have a clear townie target so they don't get rid of wolves on accident, à la Vash

This would suggest that either the RK and a wolf are in love or that the RK believes they are better off being on the same page.

The corrupter logic doesn't make sense here because for my money there are three very clear townies that I would trust (even if two of them don't trust me), so even if that's what they wanted to wait to target townies - there are three of them.

 

[Local Hero]

This would suggest that either the RK and a wolf are in love or that the RK believes they are better off being on the same page.

The corrupter logic doesn't make sense here because for my money there are three very clear townies that I would trust (even if two of them don't trust me), so even if that's what they wanted to wait to target townies - there are three of them.

I think Benzine is suggesting no RK kill night 1 (random targeting), attempted kill last night once clearer townie roles became available.

 

[TD]

I think Benzine is suggesting no RK kill night 1 (random targeting), attempted kill last night once clearer townie roles became available.

No kill night 1 doesn't make a lot of sense unless stacking kills. Sure, they could hit a wolf even if they didn't want to but the odds point to hitting a townie.

Solo killer really is the only thing and if that's the case, 2 of those obvious 3 could very well end up dead.

Couple that with whoever the wolves kill today, we are down to 10. Then there's the wolf kill tonight, if that Witch users their potion, and if that Jailer kills someone.

If this is miscalculated, we could literally wake up to a wolf win.

 

[Zell 17]

No kill night 1 doesn't make a lot of sense unless stacking kills. Sure, they could hit a wolf even if they didn't want to but the odds point to hitting a townie.

Solo killer really is the only thing and if that's the case, 2 of those obvious 3 could very well end up dead.

Couple that with whoever the wolves kill today, we are down to 10. Then there's the wolf kill tonight, if that Witch users their potion, and if that Jailer kills someone.

If this is miscalculated, we could literally wake up to a wolf win.

The random killer will kill 3 wolves and the last wolf will kill a rv villager with no powers that’s coupled to the RK.

 

[Local Hero]

I agree serial killer makes the most sense

 

[TD]

Side note - resurrecting me has been mentioned a few times if I am who I say I am.

Don't.

There are more valuable roles than Doctor. You'll know who to go after if I die tonight.

Best case scenario for everyone voting me is a tie since again, I can't vote myself. The RK is also probably better off letting the wolves kill whatever big target they have in mind since Ants may have even found the RK.

 

[Tubby23]

Did you?

I just went back and skimmed through your posts (albeit briefly) and didn't see you mention who you seered.

Help me out here

Don't skim read carefully.

I then got in a conversation with them and Alu about confirming their aura, I even quoted it back to Benzine yesterday, it's even been sitting in my profile CT for over 24 hours.

I seered Cole (number 5) and confirmed they have a good Aura. Cole even responded to it. Are you choosing to ignore it?

 

[TD]

Speaking of checks. Who did Kelly claim they checked night 0? I only recall the claim from last night.

 

[Local Hero]

It would be easy for a wolf seer to pretend to be an aura seer.

 

[Tubby23]

Refused to answer

 

[TD]

It would be easy for a wolf seer to pretend to be an aura seer.

Which if that's the case, why give us Benzine?
Unless he's the target tonight.

 

[Local Hero]

Which if that's the case, why give us Benzine?
Unless he's the target tonight.

I'm sorry I don't follow

 

[Benzine]

I welcome being the target tonight. I can't kill anyone. I just... reverse kill them.

 

[TD]

I'm sorry I don't follow

Kelly told us Benzine is the doctor. Then corrected to "good" when mentioned and said it was cause he was driving.

Cole pointed this out yesteday - when a townie member is outed there's no reason for the wolves to keep them alive.

 

[TD]

@Jawneh
You should probably see these last few posts.

 

[Benzine]

I think the solo killer might get me in a spiteful rage tonight for blocking them. The wolves are definitely going for the medium and being happy with a witch if they miss. Which is the reason for the wolves to leave someone alive, it happens all the time.

 

[Tubby23]

Kelly told us Benzine is the doctor. Then corrected to "good" when mentioned and said it was cause he was driving.

Cole pointed this out yesteday - when a townie member is outed there's no reason for the wolves to keep them alive.

I'll make one small amendment there, Kelly did first say Benzine was good, then said he was Doctor then back to good.

I still didn't buy the car part of the story but that was the timeline of what he said

 

[TD]

The wolves are definitely going for the medium and being happy with a witch if they miss.

Like I said - you don't have to believe me but I'll be protecting the medium too. Even if one of us is nightmared/killed, they should be safe and we should get our Ants reveal.

Unless their random wolf is a berserker - then it gets ugly.

 

[Local Hero]

Kelly told us Benzine is the doctor. Then corrected to "good" when mentioned and said it was cause he was driving.

Cole pointed this out yesteday - when a townie member is outed there's no reason for the wolves to keep them alive.

The only thing in this case is that no one in the town for sure knows who's a townie. We've talked about how it's likely that you and tubby are possible linked*, as are Ben-zine.

If a wolf kills Benzine, for example, it confirms you and tubby as targets.

It might be in their interests to leave all of you alive so we waste more time investigating you all

 

[TD]

I'll make one small amendment there, Kelly did first say Benzine was good, then said he was Doctor then back to good.

I missed that post - hard to play catch up after being away all day. Now I know how the people not on here all the time feel.

 

[TD]

The only thing in this case is that no one in the town for sure knows who's a townie.

Ants has given us one guaranteed townie before his sacrifice. I do believe Tubby, so I think him and his target are townie.

Aside from those 3, I don't really trust anyone.

 

[Local Hero]

Ants has given us one guaranteed townie before his sacrifice. I do believe Tubby, so I think him and his target are townie.

Aside from those 3, I don't really trust anyone.

Why believe Tubby? As wolf seer (possibly), he knows would have the same info.

 

[Tubby23]

It might be in their interests to leave all of you alive so we waste more time investigating you all

Of course. I have no concerns that I die at the hands of a wolf, they'll keep me alive and keep blocking my check. They know I'm the seer and they know keeping me alive creates more space between them and the lynch.

 

[TD]

Why believe Tubby? As wolf seer (possibly), he knows would have the same info.

Mostly reads and how he handled it yesterday. He did it very discretely to start off with and it was only when most outright missed it that he blatantly said it - and Cole wasn't pleased.

 

[Local Hero]

If Tubby is the wolf, he doesn't even have to be the seer, the other seer can give him the info for him to pretend

 

[Local Hero]

 

[Tubby23]

If Tubby is the wolf, he doesn't even have to be the seer, the other seer can give him the info for him to pretend

Perfect example of why I'm still alive. You're spending far too much focused on me.

The wolves pool their 8 votes, the rest of the town is split probably and Bob's your uncle dead townie today.

 

[TD]

If Tubby is the wolf, he doesn't even have to be the seer, the other seer can give him the info for him to pretend

He also outed himself yesterday. I believe he was nightmared. I also believe that it's either going to be the medium (if they knew who it was last night) or him (if they didn't find the medium) lynched today.

 

[Local Hero]

He also outed himself yesterday. I believe he was nightmared. I also believe that it's either going to be the medium (if they knew who it was last night) or him (if they didn't find the medium) lynched today.

Could also be disinformation.

In my eyes, when their are multiple (claimed) seers, it's hard to trust anyone until one produces an evil result.

 

[Jawneh]

I'm just waiting for the day to end to see who the wolves want lynched. It'll be interesting to see if they are go medium fishing or decide to out someone who's been credited fairly well already.

 

[shortkut]

I'm just waiting for the day to end to see who the wolves want lynched. It'll be interesting to see if they are go medium fishing or decide to out someone who's been credited fairly well already.

Hopefully we are coordinated enough to our vote them

 

[TD]

Could also be disinformation.

In my eyes, when their are multiple (claimed) seers, it's hard to trust anyone until one produces an evil result.

Tubby has never been seer as far as I recall. He prematurely let out what he knew and now he's probably got a target on it. Cole knew it and other astute players likely got it which is why we didn't draw attention. He then made sure everyone knew which was a misplay. You don't want to call attention to yourself.

Kelly on the other hand - came in after I was well on my way to being lynched and randomly felt the need to share that Benzine is good. It didn't seem relevant and I think is trying to discredit Tubby.

With that said, game lesson:
If you are a seer, have patience and don't start explicitly naming off people who are good. You have one of the most valuable roles in the game and we need you alive.

 

[TD]

Hopefully we are coordinated enough to our vote them

What happens in the event of a tie?

That's the best case scenario and that's if every townie voted me.

 

[shortkut]

What happens in the event of a tie?

That's the best case scenario and that's if every townie voted me.

Why are you asking me? I argue the rules with @Zell 17 every game

 

[Zell 17]

Tie means no lynch, same as it would during the day

 

[Zell 17]

Also if the highest vote total doesn't reach the minimum required (6) there will be no lynch.

 

[Jawneh]

Quick, someone ddos two of the wolves!