Zell Wolf GWF Wolf - Zell’s Game 4 Night 3/Day 3

[VashTheStampede]

(had to try)

 

[Kat]

Do you guys seriously believe Kelly? Even after he got you to switch your lynch off Benzine yesterday onto him? Even though he has nothing to lose by lying? Even though the wolves really need the RK's help to have any chance of winning?

Don't get played again.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Do you guys seriously believe Kelly? Even after he got you to switch your lynch off Benzine yesterday onto him? Even though he has nothing to lose by lying? Even though the wolves really need the RK's help to have any chance of winning?

Don't get played again.

I don't believe him at all but it's the safer play, no? Either way he dies today

 

[canadaguy]

Do you guys seriously believe Kelly? Even after he got you to switch your lynch off Benzine yesterday onto him? Even though he has nothing to lose by lying? Even though the wolves really need the RK's help to have any chance of winning?

Don't get played again.

I don't necessarily believe him, just that it's a possibility

 

[Smacktard]

It makes no sense that Kelly would get a potion and I wouldn't. I don't believe that at all.

Yeah, except for all of the other days that you also didn't get a second potion. Isn't it just time we accept that we either have a very shit or a very nefarious RK?

RK needs to be going after townies right now, why would they let me live and go after a wolf?

Hmm yes why would the RK give the only confirmed non-credible person in the village a potion that may or may not kill him. Uh, plausible deniability?


hmmm.......

HMMM..............................................

hmmmmmmmmmmmMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM......................................................

HELLO THE ALCHEMIST IS AMONG YOU AND WE NEED HIM DEAD TOO BECAUSE WE CAN'T KILL HIM (TUBBY) AT NIGHT

 

[VashTheStampede]

Yeah, except for all of the other days that you also didn't get a second potion. Isn't it just time we accept that we either have a very shit or a very nefarious RK?

Hmm yes why would the RK give the only confirmed non-credible person in the village a potion that may or may not kill him. Uh, plausible deniability?


hmmm.......

HMMM..............................................

hmmmmmmmmmmmMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM......................................................

HELLO THE ALCHEMIST IS AMONG YOU AND WE NEED HIM DEAD TOO BECAUSE WE CAN'T KILL HIM (TUBBY) AT NIGHT

lol you can't

 

[canadaguy]

Do you guys seriously believe Kelly? Even after he got you to switch your lynch off Benzine yesterday onto him? Even though he has nothing to lose by lying? Even though the wolves really need the RK's help to have any chance of winning?

Don't get played again.

Actually yeah wolves also need towns help to lynch RK tho

 

[VashTheStampede]

Yo Smacky why are you so sure it isn't FQ?

 

[Kat]

Yeah, except for all of the other days that you also didn't get a second potion. Isn't it just time we accept that we either have a very shit or a very nefarious RK?

The one other day when Cole probably got one?

Hmm yes why would the RK give the only confirmed non-credible person in the village a potion that may or may not kill him. Uh, plausible deniability?

If the potion kills you then there's no plausible deniability. If it doesn't, then what's the point? You'll be dead before you get a second one anyway.

HELLO THE ALCHEMIST IS AMONG YOU AND WE NEED HIM DEAD TOO BECAUSE WE CAN'T KILL HIM (TUBBY) AT NIGHT

That's not your biggest problem right now. There's 9 people left in the town, you need it to be 4 at best, and you can't do that on your own. If you can get the majority of the town then you can lynch the RK. If you can't get the majority then you lose anyway.

 

[Smacktard]

The one other day when Cole probably got one?

No, the day after that.

If the potion kills you then there's no plausible deniability. If it doesn't, then what's the point? You'll be dead before you get a second one anyway.

If it kills me, they run out the clock and make you all scramble for a last-minute decision at a weird hour when most of you are asleep. If it doesn't kill me, then it looks like I was lying about the whole thing and you make another decision that exonerates them. This is the ONE good play the alchemist made this entire game IMO.

That's not your biggest problem right now. There's 9 people left in the town, you need it to be 4 at best, and you can't do that on your own. If you can get the majority of the town then you can lynch the RK. If you can't get the majority then you lose anyway.

Yeah except I've been waving flags about Tubby for ages and now it's just a point of fucking pride. The game is lost for the wolves. Like you said, there's no way we can win.

Yo Smacky why are you so sure it isn't FQ?

I've done the work for you guys on this one so many times that it's getting tiring. I genuinely don't care anymore. Spend the day bickering amongst yourselves while the alchemist walks among you. Waste your votes killing each other off, and then letting the alchemist pick the remaining few of you off day by day as you squabble over whether the alchemist is really FQ/Raposa/Tubby and then the next day whether the alchemist is really FQ/Tubby and then the next day whether the alchemist is really Tubby/Alu and then the next day the only person left will be Tubby and you'll go, "damn, how did we not see it coming?"

 

[VashTheStampede]

...full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

 

[Kat]

I don't believe him at all but it's the safer play, no? Either way he dies today

Meh maybe. There's no guarantee we can take out the RK in jail. They could have a berserker or nightmare wolf (although I'd expect they would've used it by now if so). Then we lose three people tomorrow. Better to go after the RK now IMO. We have enough of an advantage that either way will likely work though.

 

[Smacktard]

...full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Vash examining the evidence.

 

[Tubby23]

Vash examining the evidence.

Kelly providing the "evidence"

 

[VashTheStampede]

Vash examining the evidence.

Still blindly bumped into you yesterday

 

[Zell 17]

I’ll update vote totals in a bit been a busy morning. Alu’s understanding on the BH is correct. They can set a trap. The next night, it’s active. It’s active forever unless the BH dies or they move it. If they move it, they need to wait a day for it to become active.

Basically in order to snare a wolf the BH needs to predict where the wolves will attack the NEXT night.

 

[Smacktard]

Still blindly bumped into you yesterday

Only cause canadaguy was leading you by the hand

 

[Kat]

No, the day after that.

... Today? There's only been three days.

If it kills me, they run out the clock and make you all scramble for a last-minute decision at a weird hour when most of you are asleep. If it doesn't kill me, then it looks like I was lying about the whole thing and you make another decision that exonerates them. This is the ONE good play the alchemist made this entire game IMO.

So you think not killing anyone is a good move for the alchemist at this point? IDK man, I'm not buying it.

If you want tubby dead so badly, why didn't you kill Vash last night?

 

[Kat]

I’ll update vote totals in a bit been a busy morning. Alu’s understanding on the BH is correct. They can set a trap. The next night, it’s active. It’s active forever unless the BH dies or they move it. If they move it, they need to wait a day for it to become active.

Basically in order to snare a wolf the BH needs to predict where the wolves will attack the NEXT night.

Does the trap work against alchemist potions?

 

[VashTheStampede]

It says any solo kill...

 

[VashTheStampede]

Only cause canadaguy was leading you by the hand

Guys I think I might be the Medium too?

Cause I can still read the posts of dead people

 

[Smacktard]

... Today? There's only been three days.

You claimed you received the potion Day 1. The day after Day 1 is Day 2. You're wondering why you didn't receive a potion today, but I'm wondering why you haven't received a potion since day 1.

If you want tubby dead so badly, why didn't you kill Vash last night?

Less valuable play than my pick when there's a wolf remaining to be found, obviously.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Less valuable play than my pick when there's a wolf remaining to be found, obviously

If you would have killed me, the town would have lynched Tubby. 2-for-1

 

[Fire Queen]

Correct I had moved mine to Vash well on advance after unfortunately wasting it on Smacktard the day before

based on zell's clarification y'all might want to pay this post a little more scrutiny too

 

[VashTheStampede]

based on zell's clarification y'all might want to pay this post a little more scrutiny too

So he places it on Smacky (for reasons unknown) and then moved it to me (for reasons unknown) and then said it triggered when it never set?

 

[VashTheStampede]

 

[Smacktard]

based on zell's clarification y'all might want to pay this post a little more scrutiny too

Shh don't tell them, they'll just use you dropping facts as an excuse to lynch you.

 

[Kat]

You claimed you received the potion Day 1. The day after Day 1 is Day 2. You're wondering why you didn't receive a potion today, but I'm wondering why you haven't received a potion since day 1.

And I said probably Cole got the other one instead of me. That's not a crazy play especially if he did turn out to be a wolf or solo voter.

Less valuable play than my pick when there's a wolf remaining to be found, obviously.

But I'm also a seer and it was down to two possibilities, so I was bound to find the wolf anyway. Plus insisting tubby is the RK tells us Benzine is the wolf. Vash is the only townie who can both protect and kill, how is that not a better target for you? Unless you thought he was protected by a trap.

If the wolves are truly doomed and you just want tubby to die then make this make sense to me. What was the play?

 

[Tubby23]

So he places it on Smacky (for reasons unknown) and then moved it to me (for reasons unknown) and then said it triggered when it never set?

I never said it triggered I said it was successfully activated then heard nothing further.

It was on Smacktard from the random number pick of 4 Night 0. Then moved it to you ahead of last night where it successfully activated

 

[VashTheStampede]

Shh don't tell them, they'll just use you dropping facts as an excuse to lynch you.

 

[Fire Queen]

 

[A Punched Face]

Of note:

Both Kelly and Benzine voted for Tubby at the end of the day yesterday.


Earlier:
After outing me, Benzine initially voted for me, but then switched to Tubby once it became more clear that I wasn't going to be a threat to win on my own.

Benzine switched to Raposa when it looked like Raposa was on the way out (5th vote)
Kelly was on Tubby

We then switched our focus to Fool, and at that point he got up to 6 votes, with neither of the other wolves voting for him, Benzine having stayed on Raposa and Kelly having stayed on Tubby.

At that point (a bit later), we started our hunt of Benzine. Benzine was out and couldn't update his vote and wouldn't have to himself anyway. Kelly stayed on Tubby until it was 100% confirmed to him that he should know Benzine was a wolf if he (Kelly) was actually the witch. Up until that point he was trying to convince people to vote for tubby.

Vash then was convinced that Kelly was in fact a wolf, and started the train there, but he wasn't one of the (7) votes on Benzine.

Tubby immediately switched from Benzine to Kelly. Like, 4 minutes after Vash voted. Down to 6 for Benzine.

FQ then switched from Benzine to Tubby, oddly enough. Down to 5 for Benzine. This move really threw me off.

cg then switched from Raposa to Kelly. Still 5 for Benzine.

Tubby then came back to Benzine. Back to 6.

Lots of dicsussion at this point. Kelly switches to tubby. Down to 5 for Benzine again.

Local then panics and switches to Kelly. Down to 4 for Benzine.

Benzine came back and changed his vote to tubby, because Raposa was no longer going to be lynched basically no matter what.

Tubby then changes his vote to Kelly, down to 3 for Benzine and up to 4 for Kelly.

At that point I don't think we have the numbers to lynch Benzine and switch to Kelly to guarantee something.



There's your recap of how it went down. Kelly was on tubby basically the whole day outside of when it was obvious he should be voting for the confirmed wolf. He then took the opportunity to save Benzine by jumping off, knowing he (Kelly) would have been outed the next day anyway as a wolf because no witch actions took place. Benzine was trying to follow the train for a lynch but then decided to just end the day on Tubby.

 

[Kat]

based on zell's clarification y'all might want to pay this post a little more scrutiny too

What're you thinking? He claimed the same thing yesterday, that he had already moved his trap to Vash the night before.

 

[VashTheStampede]

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[Zell 17]

Does the trap work against alchemist potions?

Yes, an active trap would prevent someone from receiving a potion

 

[Zell 17]

Yes, an active trap would prevent someone from receiving a potion

But it would trigger the trap

 

[Smacktard]

And I said probably Cole got the other one instead of me. That's not a crazy play especially if he did turn out to be a wolf or solo voter.

Kat, you're not making sense. The alchemist can give away two potions PER NIGHT. You said you got ONE red potion on Day 1.

Why would they give out ONLY a red potion to a COMPLETELY different person on the second night, and not give out a black potion?

Why did you not get a second red potion Day 2 after confirmed getting one Day 1? Is it the same reason you did not get a second red potion Day 3?

Plus insisting tubby is the RK tells us Benzine is the wolf.

The RK discussion is between Tubby/FQ/Raposa, one or two of whom could be villagers -- but not all three... I'm really trying to figure out your logic here.

 

[Fire Queen]

What're you thinking? He claimed the same thing yesterday, that he had already moved his trap to Vash the night before.

correct me if i'm wrong but i don't think enough night phases have happened for a trap to be set, activate, be moved, and then activate again

 

[VashTheStampede]

correct me if i'm wrong but i don't think enough night phases have happened for a trap to be set, activate, be moved, and then activate again

This is also my concern

 

[A Punched Face]

Pretty sure you can set a different trap and just not let the first one activate.

 

[Smacktard]

wh... what's that? is that the sweet sound of upcoming vindication???

 

[Zell 17]

Pretty sure you can set a different trap and just not let the first one activate.

BH gets one trap. If they set a new one they have to pick the old one up.

 

[A Punched Face]

BH gets one trap. If they set a new one they have to pick the old one up.

Well yeah. I meant they could move it to someone else instead of letting it activate. Is that the case?

 

[VashTheStampede]

I never said it triggered I said it was successfully activated then heard nothing further.

It was on Smacktard from the random number pick of 4 Night 0. Then moved it to you ahead of last night where it successfully activated

This tracks unless I'm missing something

 

[Smacktard]

BH gets one trap. If they set a new one they have to pick the old one up.

why yes, it is the sweet sound of upcoming vindication! why, it is indeed!

 

[VashTheStampede]

Still curious as to why he would move it to me on night 2...

 

[Kat]

There's your recap of how it went down. Kelly was on tubby basically the whole day outside of when it was obvious he should be voting for the confirmed wolf.

Imo it would've made more sense to frame a townie than to get us to kill the RK. Yeah, they did potion a wolf yesterday, but they couldn't have known who the wolves were at that point. Today RK was very likely to go after townies, especially since no wolves had a red potion on them.

I'm still inclined to think tubby is what he says and that Kelly is trying to get us to lynch a townie.

 

[A Punched Face]

Still curious as to why he would move it to me on night 2...

Me too, but you should be able to:

Set
Move (aka reset it somewhere else)
Activate

Which is enough time.

 

[Fire Queen]

i set the trap to protect myself the first night, and didn't try moving it until last night (because i didn't realize it took an extra turn to activate)

 

[A Punched Face]

But if you're really a Beast Hunter why would you left people know who you're protecting? That would just make them target someone else instead of potentially going directly into your trap.