FQ Wolf GWF Wolf Vol. 1 Discussion Thread: WOLVES WIN

[Jawneh]

Mines on Warp due to him still insisting on a vote yesterday after we decided to abstain otherwise. Beyond that I got nothing that stinks worse.

 

[canadaguy]

Oh I have suspicions

 

[shortkut]

Oh I have suspicions

 

[Raine]

So two days in a row when the best thing to do until the wolves kill someone to get information that way, you want to make things easier for them to win by us also killing a person during the day.

Says the person voting to kill me.

While they have the option to vote Abstain and cancel out whomever I do vote for.

Who, when presented with this fact to assuage the concern that not voting would allow a wolf (in your estimation: me) to have free reign, continues to hold their vote against me.

Kut was the first one who, "decidedly" like you put it, voted yesterday.

Decidedly, as in +1'ing, as in putting someone at 2 votes. You immediately got called out for it by Vash, I believe it was. Because it's not a great look.

You're the one that stood up after all that as a contrarian to insist on a vote when it would've most likely make things worse if kut ends up being a townie. Sure, if against the odds he was a wolf then I'd concede the correct vote, but still say it was a lucky hit on day 1. Everyone would. Yes there were other votes as well, but yours was the weirdest.

Of course it would be a lucky hit.

It would immediately put the wolves on the back foot.

That's the entire point. That's the "reward" part of the risk.

Again: I didn't entertain the notion of not voting or abstaining in any of my posts.


Also also I'm not a he lol

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Does anyone have any type of suspicions or are our options random vote vs abstention?

You, Coleman, and Zell. Something smells of shit round here, and I think one of you stepped in it, and I'm going to need you to take your shoes off before you track ot through my home.

 

[Cole]

Does anyone have any type of suspicions or are our options random vote vs abstention?

my leading suspects are you and Zell, and frankly myself. if I weren't me, I'd at least suspect me.

am I confident in either of you? no. the day 1 stuff I genuinely think you are so massively wrong about. but I can't say for sure you were intentionally wrong to get a free civi kill, or just have what I feel is a wrong view.

Zell on the other hand was also adamant abstaining was the choice, so I find no suspicion in that, but this is EXACTLY the type of shit I think he'd try too.

there are a few others I think could muster this, but I'm not all in in every one.

at the end of the day, this is basically day 1 again. we have a VERY VERY SLIGHT bit of additional information, but not much.

I'm weary of a second no vote. it gives the wolves too much confidence and momentum.

but I think random voting is ridiculously bad in this game.

I, for once, find myself in this game unsure of how to proxeed.

 

[shortkut]

My suspicions are @Cole (not as much as when the day started), @Jawneh, @canadaguy , and @Warp or @Zell 17

If the day was ending now I’d probably vote @canadaguy, but as of now, I’m fine abstaining to see how many days we can live in harmony with the wolves

 

[Raine]

but as of now, I’m fine abstaining to see how many days we can live in harmony with the wolves

Zero. Per the manual you made me read (!!), the wolves were only allowed to abstain once. So, they kill tonight.

If Cole, Jawneh, et al were so adamant about about doing Abstain, that could still happen today. They'll see the result next day phase and can continue on.

Obviously, I would prefer someone dies. But y'know. That is an option.

 

[Cole]

Zero. Per the manual you made me read (!!), the wolves were only allowed to abstain once. So, they kill tonight.

If Cole, Jawneh, et al were so adamant about about doing Abstain, that could still happen today. They'll see the result next day phase and can continue on.

Obviously, I would prefer someone dies. But y'know. That is an option.

I was and always will be (regardless of wolf or civi) be adamant about a day 1 abstain.

day 2 it would take an extremely rare situation for me to consider it (usually in the vein of the doctor protects the wolves kill target kinda thing). strangely, this IS a day that is thst rare.

I don't know what to do

my gut says vote, but I don't know how I make a real guess here.

 

[Jawneh]

Says the person voting to kill me.

While they have the option to vote Abstain and cancel out whomever I do vote for.

Who, when presented with this fact to assuage the concern that not voting would allow a wolf (in your estimation: me) to have free reign, continues to hold their vote against me

We were already past the "lul random vote" portion of the day when you voted. Even if your vote ultimately held no weight against all the abstains, you could've also abstained or better yet, vote for your #1 suspicion and not the person who was the most likely to die. In the long run, you casting shade on your suspicion then could've helped us in the future if you died and were found to be a townie.

Decidedly, as in +1'ing, as in putting someone at 2 votes. You immediately got called out for it by Vash, I believe it was. Because it's not a great look.

Neither did your vote and I believe yours was a +1 on top of two after I had already removed mine. Def not a great look for sure.

Of course it would be a lucky hit.

It would immediately put the wolves on the back foot.

That's the entire point. That's the "reward" part of the risk.

Again: I didn't entertain the notion of not voting or abstaining in any of my posts.

Of course you didn't entertain it since you wanted someone to die. Two or three days into the game I could get behind you for making risky choices, but during the one time (that did end up becoming two times) when the risk is the largest, why do it?

Also also I'm not a he lol

Oops. My appologies D: I think i knew it, but also clearly want thinking when I typed that.


Also, a side note, holy crap does it suck to try to juggle multiple quotes and cut them down on your phone.

 

[Crystal]

Also, a side note, holy crap does it suck to try to juggle multiple quotes and cut them down on your phone.

If you select a part of a paragraph and select + Quote it'll just quote that part, you can do the multiple times per paragraph, then you just go down to the reply box and click Insert Quotes and you're good to go.

 

[Raine]

I was and always will be (regardless of wolf or civi) be adamant about a day 1 abstain.

day 2 it would take an extremely rare situation for me to consider it (usually in the vein of the doctor protects the wolves kill target kinda thing). strangely, this IS a day that is thst rare.

I don't know what to do

my gut says vote, but I don't know how I make a real guess here.

If it's pure number-oriented game theory, the result is the same: Abstain. All of the parameters are the same. This is Day 1.

If it's a mechanism of vote control and monitoring, well, it's not going to matter. All waters have been muddied and we have no fallbacks. Pick someone and lob their head off, the wolves will eviscerate someone, the remaining players will try to piece together what they can from the tattered remains of both.

Of course you didn't entertain it since you wanted someone to die. Two or three days into the game I could get behind you for making risky choices, but during the one time (that did end up becoming two times) when the risk is the largest, why do it?

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD?!

I'm more a fan of action and pattern recognition. There isn't anything terribly complex about it. You tear someone open, see what's inside, form a baseline for how and why and what. Repeat until you win or lose.

Also... lemme go find the post. BE RIGHT BACK.

I'm not a wolf this time. But, I'm always a wolf.

 

[Cole]

If it's pure number-oriented game theory, the result is the same: Abstain. All of the parameters are the same. This is Day 1.

If it's a mechanism of vote control and monitoring, well, it's not going to matter. All waters have been muddied and we have no fallbacks. Pick someone and lob their head off, the wolves will eviscerate someone, the remaining players will try to piece together what they can from the tattered remains of both.


BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD?!

I'm more a fan of action and pattern recognition. There isn't anything terribly complex about it. You tear someone open, see what's inside, form a baseline for how and why and what. Repeat until you win or lose.

Also... lemme go find the post. BE RIGHT BACK.

it's never a pure numbers game. we have a VERY slight bit of additional information than we had day 1.

 

[Raine]

it's never a pure numbers game. we have a VERY slight bit of additional information than we had day 1.

Then use it to make a very slightly worse vote.

Indecisive Cole weirds me the fuck out. Almost makes me think you might be a townie. We can't have that!

 

[Cole]

Then use it to make a very slightly worse vote.

Indecisive Cole weirds me the fuck out. Almost makes me think you might be a townie. We can't have that!

okay I don't mean to offend but you clearly remember me more than I remember you, what other names did you have?

as far as what to do. I have no fucking clue, man. maybe I got dumber in my old age, but I AM feeling super indecisive.

I'm gonna sleep on it, and see where tomorrow takes us.

 

[Raine]

okay I don't mean to offend but you clearly remember me more than I remember you, what other names did you have?

as far as what to do. I have no fucking clue, man. maybe I got dumber in my old age, but I AM feeling super indecisive.

I'm gonna sleep on it, and see where tomorrow takes us.

No offense taken; it's the nature of our roles inside and outside of the mafia games. Everyone is supposed to know who you are. That's sort of the problem with what the wolves did last night, y'know?

In with the likes of you, Klown, TD, Sabat (or something like that? suuuper aggro player), et al, I was just wallpaper. 4th or 5th night kill material at the best of times. Only used this handle for mafia.

 

[Jawneh]

If you select a part of a paragraph and select + Quote it'll just quote that part, you can do the multiple times per paragraph, then you just go down to the reply box and click Insert Quotes and you're good to go.

Whoa, I didn't know you could just select a portion for multiquote. I do use it , but.... in weird ways compared to how you are supposed to use it lol.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD?!

I'm more a fan of action and pattern recognition. There isn't anything terribly complex about it. You tear someone open, see what's inside, form a baseline for how and why and what. Repeat until you win or lose.

Also... lemme go find the post. BE RIGHT BACK.

Sure. I'll agree. But why haven't you voted today yet then? By your own admission, you should be getting some action going already. Voting kut again would've been fine or even taken the easier way and vote me as your most suspicious person of yesterday. You've been entertaining my ramblings, but been inactive with voting. Unless you only intend to jump in on as a +1 for someone.

 

[Crystal]

Whoa, I didn't know you could just select a portion for multiquote. I do use it , but.... in weird ways compared to how you are supposed to use it lol.

Yeah, it's one of those things that's a little bit of a hidden feature, but when it comes to breaking down huge messages, that's a very handy tool to have!

(Sorry all, ignore me, back to the Wolfing!)

 

[Raine]

Sure. I'll agree. But why haven't you voted today yet then? By your own admission, you should be getting some action going already. Voting kut again would've been fine or even taken the easier way and vote me as your most suspicious person of yesterday. You've been entertaining my ramblings, but been inactive with voting. Unless you only intend to jump in on as a +1 for someone.

Well... I was deciding if I wanted to kill you or not. These things take time.

There are very tenuous straws to grasp at, and not a whole lot of people willing to poke their heads out on a Friday afternoon/night.

If I'm only allowed to change my vote once, well, I can't be too hasty. Still plenty of time to get somebody killed.

 

[The Flame]

I'm surprised to hear people not recognizing Warp from the old games. I feel like I remember seeing that name on the player lists a lot more than Ants. Though my memory can be a bit warped. @Warp did you used to have a Jack Frost avatar or was that someone else?

I'ma be real with yall I was so ready to just pop in here and drop a vote for kut and then piss off, but now I'm second guessing because nobody else wants to pull that trigger. Understandably so. Can't say I'm the most confident myself, but to me this certainly feels like a "heh, I told you so Cole" moment. Hell of a gamble on the wolves' part but it's a funny gamble. And while I don't really know any of you popular folks personally, I get the sense that he is someone who would take that funny gamble. Sure it could be a frame job, but as this is just a silly amogus game, I'm not afraid to take the shot if that's where this is headed. I know the smart move is to abstain, but after a whole day of no kills I'm more in the "fuck it, either way works" camp.

As for the Jawneh v. Warp debate I kinda just scanned over what's going on there so I'm not certain what to think. Did seem a bit trigger happy.

 

[Raine]

@Warp did you used to have a Jack Frost avatar or was that someone else?

Not 100% sure about an avatar, but I was the resident MegaTen person with the dubious sig banner.

As far as shortkut goes, that honestly seemed more like traditional "going to die because of a joke" syndrome than anything. I went with him because, again, only option to get something besides Abstain - and even then not likely - but typically I would prefer to keep talkers around. For a variety of reasons. Even if you knew with absolute certainty that, say, Cole or shortkut was a wolf, you may want to keep them around and talking to weed out less grizzled accomplices.

I mean ideally in a game with power roles that could nix them after the fact, otherwise they might steamroll you.

 

[Zell 17]

I’m voting Jawneh

 

[shortkut]

@Fire Queen how many hours left to vote? I have a family member’s 50th birthday this evening and I want to be sure I vote before then

 

[Cole]

yeah, there's a good chance I'm going swimming today, so I might not be able to check my phone much either.

 

[VashTheStampede]

So right now I am leaning for voting for shortkut, unfortunately.

The whole "I said I was gonna vote for this person so I'm sticking with it" he pulled with Ants on day one is such a classic move that gives you plausible deniability when you merc a civvy. It's almost like trying to get a freebie murder.

And then the follow-up with the wolves not voting was a slick move. I totally see kut capable of slick moves. Yeah, it has a high likelihood of backfiring, but I personally see him as the type of ballsy player that would attempt it.

"But doesn't that make him look TOO obvious, given his arguments with Cole about getting more info from the wolf kill?"

It just gives him the ability to claim he was being framed and live another day.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Also Tentative Cole is SUPER sus to me. I don't know that guy. Like a fuckin body snatcher.

 

[Fire Queen]

@Fire Queen how many hours left to vote? I have a family member’s 50th birthday this evening and I want to be sure I vote before then

until roughly 10-11 PM EDT, so a little over 12 hours

 

[Cole]

Also Tentative Cole is SUPER sus to me. I don't know that guy. Like a fuckin body snatcher.

not gonna lie to you it's making me super uncomfortable lol

I am such a plan freak when it comes to these games, I know exactly what I want to so every day whether wolf or civi to either cause chaos or root people out.

I'm glad we have until 11 because fuck if I know what my plan is right now.

 

[VashTheStampede]

The Cole I know would see all these weeds and take a machete to then. Not be all "but there could be pretty little grasshoppers in there!"

 

[Cole]

The Cole I know would see all these weeds and take a machete to then. Not be all "but there could be pretty little grasshoppers in there!"

I've softened in my old age, Vashy. you know this first hand! your children insulting my Mario Odyssey play immediately humbled me.

 

[shortkut]

@canadaguy is suspiciously quiet. I see him just doing the Mr. Burns “excellent”

 

[Cole]

or he has a family and is sleeping in on a Saturday morning. just sayin.

 

[canadaguy]

or he has a family and is sleeping in on a Saturday morning. just sayin.

Pretty sure having a family and sleeping in are mutually exclusive lol.


Anyways, clearly he wants me to say it so I'm going to say it: I am voting for shortkut. The way he pushed so hard on day 1 that a random vote is actually beneficial to the town never sat well, and even when presented with compelling reasons not to he still doubled, tripled, quadrupled down on it. He's smarter than that and he knows it and we all know it.

 

[Holly]

I'm stuck. I don't know who to vote for. Does someone being talkative make them more suspicious? Or does laying low? The wolves abstaining night 1 does seem like an experienced player thing to toy with us civvies because it makes day 2 hardly better than day 1. I've been quiet because I've been following what everyone's saying. I'll vote later today if I get a chance, my daughter wants to go have fun.

 

[Fire Queen]

preliminary vote tally

shortkut: 2 (Major Isoor, canadaguy)
Warp: 1 (Jawneh)
Jawneh: 1 (Zell 17)

let me know if i missed anyone!

 

[Cole]

I'm stuck. I don't know who to vote for. Does someone being talkative make them more suspicious? Or does laying low? The wolves abstaining night 1 does seem like an experienced player thing to toy with us civvies because it makes day 2 hardly better than day 1. I've been quiet because I've been following what everyone's saying. I'll vote later today if I get a chance, my daughter wants to go have fun.

so in a normal game, both can be suspicious. sometimes the wolves wanna talk a lot and stir the pot and get every one flustered.

sometimes they wanna lay low and kind of "hide"

but for this game, most of us are adults with families so sometimes activity is gonna be sparse even if they wanna play more.

it's hard to use activity in this game as a measure

 

[Dewey]

I genuinely have no idea who to vote for. I keep coming back to the idea that the wolves abstaining is the wolves saying, "Let's f*ck with Cole" (Can we swear here?)

I want to lean towards shortkut for some reason, but I need to go back through the first day. I feel like someone arguing with Cole against the first day abstain in general raises suspicion for me after a no-kill night

 

[Cole]

I genuinely have no idea who to vote for. I keep coming back to the idea that the wolves abstaining is the wolves saying, "Let's f*ck with Cole" (Can we swear here?)

I want to lean towards shortkut for some reason, but I need to go back through the first day. I feel like someone arguing with Cole against the first day abstain in general raises suspicion for me after a no-kill night

no you can't fucking swear what the fuck is wrong with you. this is a fucking God damn dick eating family establishment!

 

[Dewey]

no you can't fucking swear what the fuck is wrong with you. this is a fucking God damn dick eating family establishment!

Shit, my bad fuck. I'll try to stay on top of my shit, I'm used to back of house

 

[shortkut]

Since I might not be on much this evening

I’m going to throw a vote for @Jawneh in the hopes of self-preservation. He was one I suspected from day 1 and today remains on my suspicions list as well as already having one vote, which is why he gets the vote over others I suspect

 

[Raine]

As a self-admitted opportunist, my initial impulse is of course to now put a knife into @Jawneh's back and force him to change his vote. 3-3 and all that. But, so long as it involves bloodshed, I'm open to hearing last minute options.

Anyone feel like stringing together a crackpot theory?

 

[Holly]

I don't want to join a bandwagon and railroad anyone else. And abstaining again isn't an option. So I'm going to vote God. only because no one else has voted for them and I don't want to be part of killing a townie.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Also it's metal as fuck to lynch God.

 

[Jawneh]

As a self-admitted opportunist, my initial impulse is of course to now put a knife into @Jawneh's back and force him to change his vote. 3-3 and all that. But, so long as it involves bloodshed, I'm open to hearing last minute options.

After all we went through yesterday and still not going to pull the trigger?

I’m going to throw a vote for @Jawneh in the hopes of self-preservation. He was one I suspected from day 1 and today remains on my suspicions list as well as already having one vote, which is why he gets the vote over others I suspect

I can understand having suspicions now, but day 1 as well? Unless it's the fact that I DID vote you until I changed it, then maybe it's a bit more understandable.

 

[Raine]

After all we went through yesterday and still not going to pull the trigger?

Mmhm! Someone has to stir the pot if Cole is off relaxing. We need drama, mayhem, last ditch efforts to save ourselves resulting in an unrelated person being blown up completely out of nowhere in the 11th (err, 35th!) hour.

For whatever it's worth I do actually think you're a townie at this point. But, if my options are you or shortkut, it's going to be you. Fair play and all that; you each get a poisoned apple cookie from me.

 

[The Flame]

It might be my tiredness speaking, but I'm voting Ants!, as I agree with some other posters that it has to have been a seasoned player to have decided to try this. And I think Ants has just the right sense of humour for doing it - the no-kill was a pretty hilarious turn of events, for sure!

So yeah, I think he's the likeliest option at this stage - sorry Ants!

preliminary vote tally

shortkut: 2 (Major Isoor, canadaguy)
Warp: 1 (Jawneh)
Jawneh: 1 (Zell 17)

let me know if i missed anyone!

Am I missing some posts or was this an oopsie woopsie fucky wucky?

 

[Fire Queen]

hmm i believe that was a classic oopsie on my part lol. here is an updated and correct (hopefully) tally:

Jawneh: 2 (Zell 17, shortkut)
Warp: 1 (Jawneh)
Ants!: 1 (Major Isoor)
shortkut: 1 (canadaguy)
God.: 1 (Holly)
Zell 17: 1 (Warp)

Yet to vote (7): @Fool's Requiem, @The Flame, @Raposa, @Cole, @VashTheStampede, @Ants!, @God.

SIX HOURS REMAIN

 

[Raine]

Oh. Well, good thing I didn't vote yet! That would've been unfortunate.

@Fire Queen Hypothetically speaking, if there's a tie. What's to happen?

I think on the OG forum a coin/die would be used to decide between candidates. Would that be the approach here as well?

 

[Ants!]

I’m voting Jawneh

You need to put it in bold.

Edit: my bad, FQ saw it anyway. Also mini-modding so I deserve a whoopin.

 

[Ants!]

A lot of this is TLDR and I only had a moment to check in, so I’ll read everything more thoroughly later this evening and vote then.