Aftercare

[Tommy Boy]

Hmmm, yeah that's true.

Attaching wolf chat v2 to shed some light on why the wolves performed the way we did. It totally makes sense shortkut was compromised now. He kept not wanting to be the person to tip the scales, and kept wanting Raine to do it. I hadn't even considered he was compromised, I thought he was just trying to avoid looking bad.

I will say though, that I'm not mad at shortkut for doing this because when instigated, you can only win with the instigated team. shortkut can and likely will sell out Jump and Lee if he has the chance now.

 

[Tommy Boy]

Sorry it's 24 pages but in reality it's only two. The text is just giant for some reason.

 

[Tommy Boy]

The more I think about it, the more I'm kind of shocked shortkut was instigated. God damn lol. Not mad, just....woah.

 

[Tommy Boy]

TD and shortkut will stonewall Jump into making a bad decision, it's the only way to avoid the last wolf being a problem. shortkut might also take this chance to convince the town that Lee is bad if I was trying to get him converted, further clearing shortkut and TD.

Oooof.

 

[Jon]

They need to kill Raine tonight. The only way the instigators don't win is if TD is taken out and Raine seems to be the only one sus on him.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Q1: If you could do something different, 20/20 and all, what would that be?

Well I made a lot of mistakes this game, so it's hard to pick just one thing I would do differently. It would probably be not getting killed on the first night somehow. That one really tripped me up. Made it really tough to contribute.

Q2: What is the biggest missplay currently in the land of living? Without spoiling anything using otherworldly information.

TD is so obviously guilty. Incredibly so. What the heck.

 

[Tommy Boy]

TD is so obviously guilty. Incredibly so. What the heck.

I thought my argument was going to be a slam dunk. I had not anticipated trying to pull teeth to get the town to listen to reasoning.

Like this:


Yes, I'm lying, but at the very least I would show as Aura Seer to everyone else, would be able to provide reads under that cover, and prove that it was the right call the next day. But the town just went blindly with the SECOND fake spirit seer claim. So despite me lying, I was also right. Which is crazy. I should have just voted for Jump off the bat, but now knowing shortkut is fucked, it wouldn't have made a difference anyway. I think TD is banking on the fact that Jump is unaware of an instigator being present, and wanted me out first because I was going to check him tonight. My read would have told me his exact role. So, they had to act.

This game is pretty wild for day one.

 

[Tommy Boy]

Note to future self: Always doubt spirit seers and muted people.

 

[Jawneh]

Instigator is better selection wise, but kind of nuts for the instigated wolf depending on how they take it. Instigated townie is mostly business as usual, but the wolf needs to be playing three sides. So that's kind of nuts. Could also be fun too, but also stressful.

 

[Tommy Boy]

Instigator is better selection wise, but kind of nuts for the instigated wolf depending on how they take it. Instigated townie is mostly business as usual, but the wolf needs to be playing three sides. So that's kind of nuts. Could also be fun too, but also stressful.

shortkut is handling it quite well in wolf chat by being shortkut. I didn't think anything was off until afterwards, when it all clicked into place. I don't think he's stressing at all lol

 

[Jon]

Don't be hard on yourself. The way instigator works, Kut can't win with you guys and Ben can't with the town. So Kut isn't playing to win with you guys, he's gonna have to mislead you. There shouldn't have been two wolves on the chopping block. TD is trying to lead the town to trusting him but getting bad reads on you and Jump. I am willing to bet tomorrow he checks jump and lee and gets red again.

I would be willing to bet Kut gave him the wolves. It seems too convenient that he got all the wolves that quickly otherwise.

See, Cupid provides some loyalty to your given faction. Instigator doesn't. They have no loyalty to their teams. I don't like the role. As a wolf, you're fighting against two fronts... the games is already stacked against the wolves... an instigator pretty much seals the deal. The fact you guys had a WWF is the only thing that gave you a chance.

 

[Tommy Boy]

Don't be hard on yourself. The way instigator works, Kut can't win with you guys and Ben can't with the town. So Kut isn't playing to win with you guys, he's gonna have to mislead you. There shouldn't have been two wolves on the chopping block. TD is trying to lead the town to trusting him but getting bad reads on you and Jump. I am willing to bet tomorrow he checks jump and lee and gets red again.

I would be willing to bet Kut gave him the wolves. It seems too convenient that he got all the wolves that quickly otherwise.

See, Cupid provides some loyalty to your given faction. Instigator doesn't. They have no loyalty to their teams. I don't like the role. As a wolf, you're fighting against two fronts... the games is already stacked against the wolves... an instigator pretty much seals the deal. The fact you guys had a WWF is the only thing that gave you a chance.

That's true. I thought TD was lying because I didn't think it was possible to hit two wolves randomly by number like that. I'll admit I hadn't even considered an instigator - TD is usually the one to bring that up lmao

 

[Jon]

Instigator is better selection wise, but kind of nuts for the instigated wolf depending on how they take it. Instigated townie is mostly business as usual, but the wolf needs to be playing three sides. So that's kind of nuts. Could also be fun too, but also stressful.

They aren't though. They have no loyalty to the wolf team. Even if they out the other wolves and get them killed, they almost certainly can fly under the radar... especially in Kut's case. He doesn't have to ever resign powers really.

 

[Tommy Boy]

They ultimately killed me because they needed the berserk, and they knew I was checking TD tonight. I would have seen him as the Instigator and told the wolves my read via Zell. So shortkut definitely told TD the wolves.

 

[Tommy Boy]

@Kat This makes sense why shortkut didn't want me to be the one to out you. He stole the sacrifice play to make himself look better to the town. He didn't have to bother convincing TD, who would likely be the hardest to convince. TD loves using SS as the move. They both did and it worked, and made you the fall person. Lots of big brain planning going on this game.

 

[Jon]

They ultimately killed me because they needed the berserk, and they knew I was checking TD tonight. I would have seen him as the Instigator and told the wolves my read via Zell. So shortkut definitely told TD the wolves.

@Zell 17 - What happens to the recruits if the instigator is killed? It says what happens to the instigator if the recruits are killed but not vice versa. And since they can't win with their original team... are they still just... instigators?

 

[Jon]

Lots of big brain planning going on this game.

Usually is where TD is involved. He's fucking great at the bigger picture plays.

 

[Tommy Boy]

@Kat This makes sense why shortkut didn't want me to be the one to out you. He stole the sacrifice play to make himself look better to the town. He didn't have to bother convincing TD, who would likely be the hardest to convince. TD loves using SS as the move. They both did and it worked, and made you the fall person. Lots of big brain planning going on this game.

@Kat They waited for you to switch your avenge target to someone not them, Alu ended up being perfect. They had concrete plans way before we did.

 

[Zell 17]

@Zell 17 - What happens to the recruits if the instigator is killed? It says what happens to the instigator if the recruits are killed but not vice versa. And since they can't win with their original team... are they still just... instigators?

Yup they’re stuck trying to win as a team of 2

 

[Jon]

Yup they’re stuck trying to win as a team of 2

Which is doubly hard since they can't kill.

 

[Tommy Boy]

Which is doubly hard since they can't kill.

shortkut could resign his powers and kill at night but that would be it

 

[Jon]

shortkut could resign his powers and kill at night but that would be it

I was gonna say it's almost better he doesn't because he'd hide from checks, but he shows as an instigator. So, yeah, he could, but it's better to kill Raine to protect TD here if you're Kut. Then let the town kill jump tomorrow and keep Lee in his back pocket. Essentially there's no need to resign unless Jump decides to go after TD

 

[Zell 17]

See, Cupid provides some loyalty to your given faction. Instigator doesn't. They have no loyalty to their teams. I don't like the role. As a wolf, you're fighting against two fronts... the games is already stacked against the wolves... an instigator pretty much seals the deal. The fact you guys had a WWF is the only thing that gave you a chance.

The Instigator can’t kill on their own, they can only manipulate others into killing for them. Also, the big advantage the wolves have over the Instigator compared to other “solo” roles is that they can kill the instigator at night.

 

[Tommy Boy]

The Instigator can’t kill on their own, they can only manipulate others into killing for them. Also, the big advantage the wolves have over the Instigator compared to other “solo” roles is that they can kill the instigator at night.

I would eat my hat if shortkut killed TD for the lulz and still won with Ben.

 

[Tommy Boy]

Hey @Zell 17 how come TD and Ben were able to see this thread?

 

[Jawneh]

Well I made a lot of mistakes this game, so it's hard to pick just one thing I would do differently. It would probably be not getting killed on the first night somehow. That one really tripped me up. Made it really tough to contribute.


TD is so obviously guilty. Incredibly so. What the heck.

Good and productive self criticism skills. Offered the least, but found the most fault in himself. Seemingly years working as a warden has also given him a good pair of eyes to see suspect people more easily. Truly lost a good one that day. At least the eternity with Mrs. Queen of the Dead is ahead of him.

Thank you good sir. You might find some of your former tenants here. Might want to steer clear of them. You should know better.


It's been a full day since I started this. Who knew I'd be dead before it. And still working. Life, and now death, is full of mysteries. I wonder if I'm getting paid or have any benefits. Surely someone needs to do some paper work to keep all the souls in check. I miss my stinky coffee cup. The burnt coffee at the bottom of it always brought me ease knowing I was that much close to the end of the day, and eventually retirement. Never washed that thing for years. Hope the intern keeps it that way.


Okay. Next we have Mr... umm, Mr. A?

There's something wrong with my list. Why is it so long? Alu, Alucard, Alaska, Admiral... okay that's an unsavory name. Is this guy a spy? A serial killer on the run? Might be an interesting interview.

So. Mr. @Alu . Here's the questioneer. Please fill it out and return it over.

Q1: If you could do something different, 20/20 and all, what would that be?

Q2: What is the biggest missplay currently in the land of living? Without spoiling anything using otherworldly information.

 

[Jawneh]

I thought my argument was going to be a slam dunk. I had not anticipated trying to pull teeth to get the town to listen to reasoning.

I have looked at the spoilers, so this could be hindsight talking, but personally I thought that both of you were wolves and were acting up. Especially after the little "OOC" part in the middle. But regardless of that, I thought your case was better than his and definitely going after Jumpy should've been the better choice over you given the arguments. Welp.

They aren't though. They have no loyalty to the wolf team. Even if they out the other wolves and get them killed, they almost certainly can fly under the radar... especially in Kut's case. He doesn't have to ever resign powers really.

They don't got loyalty, but they got to pretend to be, and pretend to be a townie, and keep everyone informed in instigator chat. It's a lot more to deal with. That's what I was trying to get at. Once the cat is out of the bag it also changes things depending on what the other wolves end up doing.

 

[Tommy Boy]

They don't got loyalty, but they got to pretend to be, and pretend to be a townie, and keep everyone informed in instigator chat. It's a lot more to deal with. That's what I was trying to get at. Once the cat is out of the bag it also changes things depending on what the other wolves end up doing.

At least in this game, Jump has no idea. Based on his post, he might be considering an arsonist more than an instigator. I'm curious to see how they'll implicate him, though. Maybe from a TD "read" tomorrow. But I would hope the town would question two red reads in a row. Especially if he "reads" Jumpman again. That would be weird.

I think tomorrow will play out just as interesting as today did. I still feel like I'm in this game despite being very dead.

 

[Jon]

At least in this game, Jump has no idea. Based on his post, he might be considering an arsonist more than an instigator. I'm curious to see how they'll implicate him, though. Maybe from a TD "read" tomorrow. But I would hope the town would question two red reads in a row. Especially if he "reads" Jumpman again. That would be weird.

I think tomorrow will play out just as interesting as today did. I still feel like I'm in this game despite being very dead.

Yeah, if I'm TD I'm reading him and Lee as red.

 

[A Punched Face]

So. Mr. @Alu . Here's the questioneer. Please fill it out and return it over.

Q1: If you could do something different, 20/20 and all, what would that be?

Q2: What is the biggest missplay currently in the land of living? Without spoiling anything using otherworldly information

1) I dunno. There was basically nothing I could do this game to help in any way. So I guess I'd die faster

2) believing the reads so quickly and shooting Jawneh, especially since Benzine very shortly after said he was joking

 

[A Punched Face]

I wish Benzine was dead so I could have had someone to talk to in here for the past few hours.

 

[Zell 17]

Hey @Zell 17 how come TD and Ben were able to see this thread?

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Permissions were temporarily borked after I started the thread. You can see Vash posted early too.

 

[Zell 17]

@Raine has joined us

 

[Zell 17]

BTW I loved Raine telling everyone who she would shoot today, because that provides information. If she's left alive, probably the wolves want her to shoot TD. If she gets killed, probably the village should look really hard at the person who she said she was gonna shoot.

 

[Zell 17]

So the village is obviously totally lost here, except local can still absolutely save their bacon with a good redirect. Unfortunately, I think he fully trusts TD because that's who he protected last night.

 

[Jon]

BTW I loved Raine telling everyone who she would shoot today, because that provides information. If she's left alive, probably the wolves want her to shoot TD. If she gets killed, probably the village should look really hard at the person who she said she was gonna shoot.

Yeah, at this point there's really no way the instigators lose unless TD is taken out, which seems implausible at the moment, because of killing Raine.

Very well played game by the instigators. But I still do not like the role.

 

[Jon]

It's getting hard to watch this knowing the amount of backstabbing that's occurring. Jump seems oblivious that Kut is working against wolf interests here and the remaining town seems oblivious to the fact TD is lying.

I thought he'd implicate Jump and Lee first, but he went the route of clearing Kut and Ben instead. This is all but over at this point, given the threats to the instigator team are gone, especially if Benzine is lynched, which seems like an inevitability.

The only real hope here, that I see, is Benzine doing his miracle draw when he gets on and able to convince the town TD is the instigator. If he does and TD is killed, then HOPEFULLY the town recognizes that TD's "cleared" names are immediately thrown into contention. Other than that, if Benzine is offed, this is GG and a hell of a win by the instigators.

 

[A Punched Face]

I think Zell mentioned it before, Local can prevent the win with a redirect. If he's targeted at night and takes out the pair then the remaining wolves can take out TD the next night potentially.

 

[Jon]

I think Zell mentioned it before, Local can prevent the win with a redirect. If he's targeted at night and takes out the pair then the remaining wolves can take out TD the next night potentially.

The issue is local is trusting TD. He won't redirect to Ben or Kut as a result of the clear. He'd likely redirect FROM one of them TO Jump.

He's not suspicious of any of the three and Vash isn't alive to kill Ben the passenger

 

[Zell 17]

The issue is local is trusting TD. He won't redirect to Ben or Kut as a result of the clear. He'd likely redirect FROM one of them TO Jump.

He's not suspicious of any of the three and Vash isn't alive to kill Ben the passenger

Last night he went TD -> Ben.

What he may do is go himself -> Ben and the wolves walk into it since they have no idea what he is.

 

[Jon]

Last night he went TD -> Ben.

What he may do is go himself -> Ben and the wolves walk into it since they have no idea what he is.

Here's hoping....

I live the underdog stories. Which is why I usually pull for the wolves. Obviously, the instigators have played really well and deserve a win, but it's like the 49ers... just because they are good doesn't mean I don't want to see them lose.

 

[Zell 17]

Last night he went TD -> Ben.

What he may do is go himself -> Ben and the wolves walk into it since they have no idea what he is.

Going further down this path assuming a Benzine lynch:

Next day would be 2 town (Fools, Local), TD as sole instigator, and 2 wolf-affiliated (GwJumpman and Lee)

 

[Jon]

Going further down this path assuming a Benzine lynch:

Next day would be 2 town (Fools, Local), TD as sole instigator, and 2 wolf-affiliated (GwJumpman and Lee)

The wildcard here is TD cleared Ben. So if Local shows his hand at all...

So... I need to ask. How would it look if one of the instigators was killed? With Cupid it says something like they die because they lost the love of their life. What would it look like for an instigator team kill?

 

[Tommy Boy]

psh typical lol

 

[Tommy Boy]

This is pretty much just a game made for TD at this point and he's absolutely loving it. He knows all the info, he has everyone in his grasp. This is the boner game he's been working toward for a while.

 

[Zell 17]

The wildcard here is TD cleared Ben. So if Local shows his hand at all...

So... I need to ask. How would it look if one of the instigators was killed? With Cupid it says something like they die because they lost the love of their life. What would it look like for an instigator team kill?

Both instigated people die. Instigator lives and is now basically a run-of-the-mill solo killer.

 

[Tommy Boy]

I think a lot of people are playing with a knot in their stomach in this game because something is off but nobody knows what. It's not until you read this thread that the knot goes away.

@Raine you seein' this shit? Did you have your "no fuckin way" moment yet?

 

[Jon]

Both instigated people die. Instigator lives and is now basically a run-of-the-mill solo killer.

I meant what is announced to the main thread? Like when the cupid couple dies, you KNOW there was a cupid. How does it look when the instigated paid dies? Does it out that there is an instigator?

 

[Jon]

I think a lot of people are playing with a knot in their stomach in this game because something is off but nobody knows what. It's not until you read this thread that the knot goes away.

@Raine you seein' this shit? Did you have your "no fuckin way" moment yet?

Yup, I'm glad I sat this one out!

 

[Jawneh]

I meant what is announced to the main thread? Like when the cupid couple dies, you KNOW there was a cupid. How does it look when the instigated paid dies? Does it out that there is an instigator?

I went to find the post when I was instigated and died.

Jawneh has been killed by the town. Jawneh was the Doctor.
Tubby23 has lost their partner in crime! Tubby23 has fled the village forever. Tubby23 was the Shadow Wolf.