[2024] MLB Season Discussion Thread

[Jon]

Hey man, I said it was irrational anger. It's a me thing, not a you thing.

I assure you, it's a me thing. I've been told more than once

 

[Jon]

Barry started juicing in 1999. Let's imagine he stopped playing after the 1998 season, his 13th.

He was the first player in history to have 400 HRs and 400 steals. I haven't watched a ton of baseball the last few years, has anyone else done that yet? I wanna say Trout used to be on pace but I know he's had injuries.

In those 13 seasons, he led his league in runs once, home runs once, RBI once, walks five times, on-base percentage four times, slugging three times, OPS five times, OPS+ four times, total bases once and position-player WAR seven times.

Led the league in intentional walks seven times, proving he was the most feared hitter in the game.

Won 3 MVPs, was 2nd twice.

8 Gold Gloves, 7 Silver Sluggers

Honestly the 400/400 with 8 Gold Gloves in 13 seasons should really be the whole post.

The only thing I'll say about this, is the stigma that there is no evidence the doping didn't start before 1999. Which calls into question everything before. Just because he lost his neck that year doesn't mean he didn't start several years prior

 

[VashTheStampede]

The only thing I'll say about this, is the stigma that there is no evidence the doping didn't start before 1999. Which calls into question everything before. Just because he lost his neck that year doesn't mean he didn't start several years prior

The stigma is just baseless smears. The 1999 thing came from the reporters who broke the whole BALCO story wide open and wrote Game of Shadows.

People close to Barry have corroborated it, saying he started doing them because of the attention McGuire and Sosa got.

He hit .303/.438/.609 that year with 38 homers, 28 steals, and a Gold Glove and no one in the media gave a shit.

Had a 40/40 a couple years prior and the media didn't give a shit.

Anyone who says he started before 1999 is either a hater or just not aware of the facts.

Edit: this also coincides with his elbow injury, as he was first justifying using the steroids to try and heal faster.

 

[Jon]

The stigma is just baseless smears. The 1999 thing came from the reporters who broke the whole BALCO story wide open and wrote Game of Shadows.

People close to Barry have corroborated it, saying he started doing them because of the attention McGuire and Sosa got.

He hit .303/.438/.609 that year with 38 homers, 28 steals, and a Gold Glove and no one in the media gave a shit.

Had a 40/40 a couple years prior and the media didn't give a shit.

Anyone who says he started before 1999 is either a hater or just not aware of the facts.

I hear your point, and I don't disregard it. I still have quite a few players I'd take in an all-time team ahead of him. For me personally, it's not even close.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I hear your point, and I don't disregard it. I still have quite a few players I'd take in an all-time team ahead of him. For me personally, it's not even close.

As long as you don't take anyone else for LF

 

[Jon]

As long as you don't take anyone else for LF

Ted Williams. All day every day.

 

[Jon]

And I'll take Griffey in center and Ichiro in right.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Boo. I'd accept Ricky Henderson though

 

[VashTheStampede]

And I'll take Griffey in center and Ichiro in right.

Ichiro is my favorite player than never played for the Giants. Love that dude.

 

[A Baby Maker]

Everyone just talk about Ichiro and Griffey and all will be well.

 

[Jon]

Boo. I'd accept Ricky Henderson though

Lol, Williams was better than Ricky, imo, but Ricky is 100% a name I forgot on my original list and would take him over Bonds too.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Everyone just talk about Ichiro and Griffey and all will be well.

Griffey had great PR and a decent Nintendo game

 

[A Baby Maker]

Griffey had great PR and a decent Nintendo game

Top tier game at getting me to care about baseball more as a kid though.

 

[VashTheStampede]

My gateway game was Bases Loaded 3 with Ryne Sandberg.

I was shocked to find out he wasn't the best player in the world.

 

[VashTheStampede]

He was good though

 

[Quagmire]

Griffey had great PR and a decent Nintendo game

And a sexy ass swing

 

[shortkut]

Goddamnit

I'm gonna make a real post because I'm getting irrationally angry lol

It better be a list. If I keep reading through this thread and you don’t make a list, I’ll be angry

 

[shortkut]

It better be a list. If I keep reading through this thread and you don’t make a list, I’ll be angry

Dammit @VashTheStampede

after some introspection, I’m not mad, I’m just disappointed

 

[shortkut]

Triple post:

Seriously, why is everyone leaving Willie Mays out of their all time outfield?

 

[Jon]

Triple post:

Seriously, why is everyone leaving Willie Mays out of their all time outfield?

He can be my fourth OF. And Ricky my 5th and pinch runner.

All still ahead of Bonds

 

[shortkut]

Maybe I’m an old fuddyduddy, but I like BA more than power. I’d rather see a string of hits score me a run than a single home run.

If I had to make an all time outfield:

Willie Mays
Roberto Clemente
Ichiro Suzuki

4th OF is too hard. So many good ones to choose from- Cobb, Griffey Jr, Ruth, Aaron, Henderson

 

[Jon]

Maybe I’m an old fuddyduddy, but I like BA more than power. I’d rather see a string of hits score me a run than a single home run.

If I had to make an all time outfield:

Willie Mays
Roberto Clemente
Ichiro Suzuki

4th OF is too hard. So many good ones to choose from- Cobb, Griffey Jr, Ruth, Aaron, Henderson

I can get behind most all that.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Dammit @VashTheStampede

after some introspection, I’m not mad, I’m just disappointed

There was a list of reasons Barry is the GOAT.

Triple post:

Seriously, why is everyone leaving Willie Mays out of their all time outfield?

He'd be my starting CF

 

[Jon]

There was a list of reasons Barry is the GOAT.

But you forgot your main reason: You're a SF homer

 

[VashTheStampede]

But you forgot your main reason: You're a SF homer

Of the two of us, one of us posted facts and statistics. The other posted feels.

 

[VashTheStampede]

But more to the point, fuck the Dodgers

 

[Jon]

Of the two of us, one of us posted facts and statistics. The other posted feels.

I also prefaced my entire statement with "this is my opinion" but you know... if you want the wall of text that would be me justifying every name on my list, I can do that when I have time

 

[VashTheStampede]

I also prefaced my entire statement with "this is my opinion" but you know... if you want the wall of text that would be me justifying every name on my list, I can do that when I have time

I mean, that sounds like a good time to me

 

[VashTheStampede]

Honestly a separate thread where everyone posts their all-time lineup could be fun

 

[shortkut]

Honestly a separate thread where everyone posts their all-time lineup could be fun

If only we had a list subforum

Now are all OF equal or do we have to specify CF/LF/RF?

 

[VashTheStampede]

If only we had a list subforum

Oh duh

Now are all OF equal or do we have to specify CF/LF/RF?

Specifying feels right to me.

 

[shortkut]

Oh duh



Specifying feels right to me.

That almost makes it easier

 

[VashTheStampede]

Gonna keep using this thread instead of gumming up the 2025 thread since this is old business but Jon Heyman posted and immediately deleted this the other day:




Supposedly everyone who tested positive for steroids in 2002. Few names I didn't realize were linked to steroids. Depressing stuff.

 

[shortkut]

Gonna keep using this thread instead of gumming up the 2025 thread since this is old business but Jon Heyman posted and immediately deleted this the other day:


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Supposedly everyone who tested positive for steroids in 2002. Few names I didn't realize were linked to steroids. Depressing stuff.

Pedro was the most surprising to me. Ortiz and Bonds were the least surprising. Ortiz started his career scrawny like Bonds, but he wasn’t a good player the way Bonds was, so no one remembers his massive size change

For the group of Yankees players, I’m not surprised, but I feel bad about Pettitte and any players on that list who may have only used it while healing and not to get an edge afterwards

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Gonna keep using this thread instead of gumming up the 2025 thread since this is old business but Jon Heyman posted and immediately deleted this the other day:


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Supposedly everyone who tested positive for steroids in 2002. Few names I didn't realize were linked to steroids. Depressing stuff.

m favorite part of this list is that Jim Thome ISN'T on it.

That man was JACKED, you'd half expect him to be doing roids.

Edit: Even better, 2002 was likely his best season.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Pedro was the most surprising to me. Ortiz and Bonds were the least surprising. Ortiz started his career scrawny like Bonds, but he wasn’t a good player the way Bonds was, so no one remembers his massive size change

For the group of Yankees players, I’m not surprised, but I feel bad about Pettitte and any players on that list who may have only used it while healing and not to get an edge afterwards

David Ortiz being in the Hall of Fame is one of the most bullshit things about baseball

 

[shortkut]

David Ortiz being in the Hall of Fame is one of the most bullshit things about baseball

Same. I’d rather see Bonds in before him. At least Bonds was on track or was a borderline hall of famer prior to the roids

 

[Jon]

There isn’t a single name on that list that surprises me. The only thing that does is it isn’t longer.

 

[A Baby Maker]

Why is Arod a link?

 

[Jon]

Why is Arod a link?

It’s a link to Clemens’ wife. He used her as an alibi too

 

[VashTheStampede]

Same. I’d rather see Bonds in before him. At least Bonds was on track or was a borderline hall of famer prior to the roids

Clemens too, as much as I dislike the guy.

 

[Jon]

I think they should all be with McGuire and Sosa.