Zell Wolf GWF Zell Wolf Volume XIV - Day 1

[Raine]

Anyway, again same reason I shot last night - time does not favor my participation on this end of the cycle.

But it should be noted that the game started with 3 Strong and 5 Regular. All 3 Strong are accounted for, 2 of the Regular are confirmed.

There are only 3 slots left.

As of this post there are two viable trains of thought. I would implore the Solo Killer to consider how close the town is to losing, factor in that the wolves 100% have a Blind Wolf and will find you, and do what is in their own best interest. Kill wolves.

I already knew who I was shooting before I shot Jawneh to pierce that veil. If I'm alive tomorrow, I'm shooting them.

 

[TD]

Not sure, I’m not a wolf.

What about Solo Killer or Wildcard?

 

[Lee]

What about Solo Killer or Wildcard?

I just know I’m not a wolf

 

[Tommy Boy]

Share your spreadsheet

I don't have one yet, and at this point I won't make one unless I survive the day today.

So what's his aura, chief?

You can't say "village team." Be more specific.

Edit: The lowercase "g" doesn't cut it.

Lee's aura is Good. Capital G. Which is why I eliminated the idea of Lee being a solo or killer because it wasn't Unknown. But because nobody had been looking that way, I didn't want to say anything unless I had to defend him. (or me lol)

 

[Local Hero]

We would only shoot TD if Tommy is not a wolf

I understand that. But if TD is being truthful and Tommy is not a wolf but GW is, we've wasted a gunner and killed a townie seer

 

[Lee]

I don't have one yet, and at this point I won't make one unless I survive the day today.

Lee's aura is Good. Capital G. Which is why I eliminated the idea of Lee being a solo or killer because it wasn't Unknown. But because nobody had been looking that way, I didn't want to say anything unless I had to defend him. (or me lol)

Not only is my aura Good, it is great. See I am not a werewolf.

Ps. I’m not a werewolf.

 

[Local Hero]

Not only is my aura Good, it is great. See I am not a werewolf.

Ps. I’m not a werewolf.

I know who I'm voting for next

 

[TD]

So there's two people out here clearing innocents.

Kat who "cleared" Benzine and FR. 50% verified.
Tommy who "cleared" Lee.

Meanwhile,
shortkut checked Jawneh and Kat, saw red. Accurate.
I checked Tommy and Jump, saw red - both are refusing to vote for eachother but instead trying to cast doubt on me.

Are the wolves being this obvious in Day 1?

 

[Lee]

I know who I'm voting for next

You’ll be wasting a vote. I’m not a werewolf!

 

[shortkut]

You’ll be wasting a vote. I’m not a werewolf!

I was once a wolf. It is usually not as fun as this game has been. Just as @Jon . He hates being wolf

 

[Tommy Boy]

So there's two people out here clearing innocents.

Kat who "cleared" Benzine and FR. 50% verified.
Tommy who "cleared" Lee.

Meanwhile,
shortkut checked Jawneh and Kat, saw red. Accurate.
I checked Tommy and Jump, saw red - both are refusing to vote for eachother but instead trying to cast doubt on me.

Are the wolves being this obvious in Day 1?

So there's one person out here trying to force a lynch based on make believe.

TD who "saw red" but decided to not say anything until 12 hours after the day started to "see Raine's results" despite Raine taking her shot hours after the day started.

Meanwhile,
shortkut checked Jawneh and Kat, saw red. Accurate.
I checked #1 (Lee), saw Good aura - kept it to myself because it doesn't make sense to reveal myself this early with no pressure.

Are you really unable to see how you are just as guilty of nothing as me? We have the exact same type of information. Only you and I can confirm it today.

 

[Local Hero]

So there's one person out here trying to force a lynch based on make believe.

TD who "saw red" but decided to not say anything until 12 hours after the day started to "see Raine's results" despite Raine taking her shot hours after the day started.

Meanwhile,
shortkut checked Jawneh and Kat, saw red. Accurate.
I checked #1 (Lee), saw Good aura - kept it to myself because it doesn't make sense to reveal myself this early with no pressure.

Are you really unable to see how you are just as guilty of nothing as me? We have the exact same type of information. Only you and I can confirm it today. You are encouraging people to believe your read and make another hasty kill after losing two others to a false seer claim. I am trying to make it to another day to get another read. We are not the same.

Let me understand what's happening.

Tommy, you accused TD of withholding information that could be valuable (red read) for 12 hours.

TD responded by saying you also withheld information, and he withheld to see the results of Raine's shot.

Why is his answer not acceptable? I know you waited because you didn't have a red read, but why is it hard to believe he waited until the kill result? He essentially went to bed before he revealed anything.

 

[Lee]

Clear as mud. Do we have any guesses as to who the werewolves actually are?? And how have you arrived there..?

 

[Tommy Boy]

Why is his answer not acceptable? I know you waited because you didn't have a red read, but why is it hard to believe he waited until the kill result? He essentially went to bed before he revealed anything.

He was here at 9:03 PM. If you see that two people you checked are red, you tell the town that. Raine took her shot at 10:40pm. For two hours, TD knew that at least one of two people he read were bad, but instead waited until killing roles were used up (both gunners, priest). I'm not saying it's impossible or unacceptable. I'm just saying it doesn't make sense.

I'm not going to come out on day one and say "hey guys I checked Lee and he's good" for no reason if there's no heat on anyone. Why bring unnecessary attention to myself or someone else? After all the kills this morning, TD decided that was the right time to say he knows someone else is bad? It just sounds too easy. I have a hard time believing TD would do this. Not someone else, TD.

 

[TD]

Clear as mud. Do we have any guesses as to who the werewolves actually are?? And how have you arrived there..?

Well if Tommy is a wolf you will shoot up the suspect list.

 

[shortkut]

@Benzine
@Fool's Requiem
@Lee
@Raine

You haven’t voted for anyone yet. TD and Tommy are going in circles and it’s ruining how exciting the game is. Someone post something

 

[Local Hero]

I know I asked a question but I'll post some more thoughts.

We have info. It's from someone who is unconfirmed (TD) and is a 50/50 info (Tommy/GW).

Is this good enough info to take action on? If we don't, what do we do tomorrow? Continue not taking action? Or ignore TD entirely and lynch randomly?

I think we've got to make a decision. And as far as I can tell we've got 5 options.
1. Lynch TD to see if he's a seer to confirm his read (worst option imo).
2. Lynch Tommy. (50% if TD is telling the truth)
3. Lynch GW. (50% of TD is telling the truth)
4. Lynch someone else randomly (low odds, I'm no statistician)
5. Lynch no one. Essentially in the same position tomorrow but with more dead townies (tied with worst option)

I vote either 2 or 3. Since Tommy has at least come forward with a role reveal and result (Lee good), I'm switching to GW. For now at least.

 

[TD]

We have the exact same type of information.

No, we don't.

I have at least one wolf. You're just saying someone is Good after you have been accused.

 

[Tommy Boy]

No, we don't.

I have at least one wolf. You're just saying someone is Good after you have been accused.

No, I have at least one Good read. You're just saying someone is bad after killing roles have been used up.

See how it's the same? Nothing can be proven. Conveniently for you after the killing roles are gone and the only judge is a lynch. Very convenient.

 

[TD]

2. Lynch Tommy. (50% if TD is telling the truth)

This would also shed some light if his read on Lee is to be trusted as well.

 

[TD]

Tommy protest too much I say.

Bonafide wolf.

I stake my reputation on it.

 

[Tommy Boy]

Tommy protest too much I say.

Bonafide wolf.

I stake my reputation on it.

Again, defending myself is protesting too much? Do I just stop trying because you said you had a red read after all the killing roles are used up and the only thing that can prove you right is a lynch? I can keep repeating stuff too.

 

[Tommy Boy]

I was MVP last time I was seer and I will be damned if I roll over to a SPIRIT SEER CLAIM ffs

 

[TD]

@Benzine
@Fool's Requiem
@Lee
@Raine

You haven’t voted for anyone yet. TD and Tommy are going in circles and it’s ruining how exciting the game is. Someone post something

This is true.

I for one welcome more perspective.

 

[TD]

I was MVP last time I was seer and I will be damned if I roll over to a SPIRIT SEER CLAIM ffs

Then why are you protecting Jump?

 

[Tommy Boy]

{{ OOC: @TD this is how we need to be when we're both wolves lmao }}

 

[TD]

OOC:

 

[Tommy Boy]

Then why are you protecting Jump?

I'm not, but if I vote for Jump then that means I believe what you're saying, which I don't. I'm stuck in this position of not wanting to vote for myself or Jump, not trusting you, but also not wanting to botch a lynch vote today. Aside from our debate taking place, there's really been no more info around and I feel like the wolves are just sitting back letting us go at it because it's easier for them to say nothing.

 

[TD]

I'm not, but if I vote for Jump then that means I believe what you're saying, which I don't. I'm stuck in this position of not wanting to vote for myself or Jump, not trusting you, but also not wanting to botch a lynch vote today. Aside from our debate taking place, there's really been no more info around and I feel like the wolves are just sitting back letting us go at it because it's easier for them to say nothing.

Okay.

Let me phrase it this way.

How would I benefit from a Day 1 fake red claim if I'm not who I said I am?

If it gets disproven, I'm dead.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

@Benzine
@Fool's Requiem
@Lee
@Raine

You haven’t voted for anyone yet. TD and Tommy are going in circles and it’s ruining how exciting the game is. Someone post something

Erik is feeling lonely.

You want me to vote for you and to argue with you on the possibility of you being the SK.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I don't think you are, FYI, that would require extreme luck on your end

 

[Local Hero]

This would also shed some light if his read on Lee is to be trusted as well.

I was going to comment on that in my previous post, but I know as wolf I've said people were good before. I think rather Tommy is wolf or townie, Lee is probably good

 

[shortkut]

Erik is feeling lonely.

You want me to vote for you and to argue with you on the possibility of you being the SK.

Sure, but which SK can accurately pick a wolf? I need time to get into character

 

[Tommy Boy]

Okay.

Let me phrase it this way.

How would I benefit from a Day 1 fake red claim if I'm not who I said I am?

If it gets disproven, I'm dead.

I guess the same way Kat benefited the wolves by claiming spirit, but at this point you can't die today. Making a claim and getting someone other than yourself killed is a way to make it to the next day. If we lynch me and you see that I'm good, it doesn't instantly make your "read" fake because it involves two people. The town could opt to believe you again and lynch/shoot Jump, or you. So this buys two days of more time if it's done right. And I know you can pull off this crazy shit.

 

[shortkut]

And I know you can pull off this crazy shit.

It’s actually very hard for him to pull off surviving 2 days

 

[Tommy Boy]

@TD I'd be willing to vote for Jump if it meant you backing off me for the day. That way, if you are a seer, you can get another read, and I'll get another read. If Jump is bad, then we have more info tomorrow from both of us. If Jump is good, then a kill role can decide to kill me/us tomorrow. I think this is better than arguing in circles about why/when we did/didn't say stuff. Then I'd have more reason to believe your late read. But if I'm the target today, I will not let it go because it's a bad call.

 

[shortkut]

 

[Tommy Boy]

Because not for nothing, I do want to believe TD is being honest, and I think avoiding lynching the two people claiming seer is better than losing one of us to the dice roll of the red read.

 

[shortkut]

Need to put some pressure on people to act

skip

 

[Local Hero]

Need to put some pressure on people to act

skip

Skip

 

[Benzine]

good morning

i will read for you shortkut and make a choice

a summary of overnight would be good too tho

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Sure, but which SK can accurately pick a wolf? I need time to get into character

Evil Detective
Aura: Unknown
Cannot be killed by the wolves at night. At night, can compare two players. If they belong to the same team, the Evil Detective will be told that both players belong to the same team. If they belong to different teams, both players will be killed. The Evil Detective can compare players against themselves, which always guarantees that the other player will die.

If you can figure out how to make it work on Day 1, I'll be impressed. It would actually kinda make sense since no one died to an SK. Again, the odds of you being bad is almost nil, but I could see the Evil Dick being in this game.

 

[Tommy Boy]

a summary of overnight would be good too tho

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Kat's BS role claim resulted in two townies and a wolf dying.

@Benzine

 

[shortkut]

Evil Detective
Aura: Unknown
Cannot be killed by the wolves at night. At night, can compare two players. If they belong to the same team, the Evil Detective will be told that both players belong to the same team. If they belong to different teams, both players will be killed. The Evil Detective can compare players against themselves, which always guarantees that the other player will die.

If you can figure out how to make it work on Day 1, I'll be impressed. It would actually kinda make sense since no one died to an SK. Again, the odds of you being bad is almost nil, but I could see the Evil Dick being in this game.

I can’t be evil dick since jawneh and kat were on different teams… wait, maybe I am. It doesn’t specify how they will die and both jawneh and kat are now dead

 

[Tommy Boy]

Kat's BS role claim resulted in two townies and a wolf dying.

 

[shortkut]

good morning

i will read for you shortkut and make a choice

a summary of overnight would be good too tho

1. Kat claimed spirit seer
2. I claimed spirit seer
3. Raine shot and killed jawneh for fear he was a better gunner than her
4. Fool watered kat
5. Kat as wolfvenger killed alu who was bell ringer
6. TD comes out as another spirit seer saying Tommy and GWJ came up as red
7. Tommy and TD bicker, using the same logic to call each other guilty
8. Tommy claims aura seer and says Lee is good
9. Lee repeatedly says he is not a wolf
10. Today had a lot of excitement so I was rejuvenated for wolf until step 7 when it started to feel like a drag again

 

[shortkut]

I forgot, timeline point “-2” when Tommy posted grubby love last game

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Fool's Requem sprays WD-40 on this game so it's less of a drag

 

[TD]

@TD I'd be willing to vote for Jump if it meant you backing off me for the day. That way, if you are a seer, you can get another read, and I'll get another read. If Jump is bad, then we have more info tomorrow from both of us. If Jump is good, then a kill role can decide to kill me/us tomorrow. I think this is better than arguing in circles about why/when we did/didn't say stuff. Then I'd have more reason to believe your late read. But if I'm the target today, I will not let it go because it's a bad call.

I am fine with either of you dying.

However. I'm going to wait to see who else says or does what.

If the vote is you or Jump, I'll be satisfied because I know for a fact one of you are a wolf.