Zell Wolf GWF Zell Wolf Volume XIV - Day 1

[TD]

Why Tommy and not gw? Didn't you look at both and saw red?

Kat was extremely curious of why Jawneh was going after Tommy earlier.

Too curious.

 

[shortkut]

Kat was extremely curious of why Jawneh was going after Tommy earlier.

Too curious.

I didn’t notice that

Both are being passengers, so it’s hard to narrow it down from there. I’m going to vote GWJ but I’ll probably side with wherever the vibes are if more people think Tommy

 

[Tommy Boy]

No smoke. No mirrors.

I'm a Spirit Seer.

I checked 2 & 4.
Jumpman and Tommy.

I saw red.

Voting Tommy.

So just felt like waiting until 12 hours later to give crucial information? Or you just wanted to see the chaos that would occur if you kept quiet? There's no way there are three seers lmao. I checked #1 last night (since you know, we're still on day ONE) and they are village team. We've had 800 deaths happen in a short time frame and you decide to claim spirit THIS late in the day after seeing red?

Sorry, complete bullshit. The fact that people are instantly eating it up is not suspicious at all, either.

 

[TD]

I'd say we could shoot one and find out.

Until somebody shot a Gunner.

 

[TD]

So just felt like waiting until 12 hours later to give crucial information? Or you just wanted to see the chaos that would occur if you kept quiet? There's no way there are three seers lmao. I checked #1 last night (since you know, we're still on day ONE) and they are village team. We've had 800 deaths happen in a short time frame and you decide to claim spirit THIS late in the day after seeing red?

Sorry, complete bullshit. The fact that people are instantly eating it up is not suspicious at all, either.

This one is easy.

Two "spirit seers" came forward with 2 blues and 2 reds.

Me coming forward at that stage would only muddy the waters today further.

 

[Tommy Boy]

This one is easy.

Two "spirit seers" came forward with 2 blues and 2 reds.

Me coming forward at that stage would only muddy the waters today further.

The water is dark brown at this point, and we collectively seem to just be following whoever claims seer blindly, which led to two townie deaths already. I didn't want to come out and say I'm Aura Seer until I was in danger (due to the reasons already mentioned) but if you're going to put me on the chopping block already, with this many deaths having occurred in a small time frame, I have to reveal.

 

[shortkut]

Is this a record for most deaths through the end of day 1 that was not a meta-game? We should all get a bloodbath/red wedding type badge to commemorate

 

[TD]

The water is dark brown at this point, and we collectively seem to just be following whoever claims seer blindly, which led to two townie deaths already. I didn't want to come out and say I'm Aura Seer until I was in danger (due to the reasons already mentioned) but if you're going to put me on the chopping block already, with this many deaths having occurred in a small time frame, I have to reveal.

I implied in probably at least 6-7 posts that I was the Spirit Seer before Kat "came forward" and kut came forward which led to a wolf death.

Couple that with I gave Jawneh a shrug when he asked Lee, eyes when he asked you (to which you refused to engage btw).

 

[GwJumpman]

Does that mean theres 4 "seers" now?

 

[TD]

Does that mean theres 4 "seers" now?

Kat was a wolf and was lying.
kut claimed Spirit Seer but did accurately identify a wolf.
I've claimed Spirit Seer.
Tommy has claimed Aura Seer after being accused.

 

[Tommy Boy]

I implied in probably at least 6-7 posts that I was the Spirit Seer before Kat "came forward" and kut came forward which led to a wolf death.

Couple that with I gave Jawneh a shrug when he asked Lee, eyes when he asked you (to which you refused to engage btw).

You imply a lot of stuff that doesn't end up being true. Last game you were entirely full of shit because you had "a boring role" so I don't put it past you trying the same thing again.

I didn't refuse to engage, he was clearly going down a list with some cowboy bit. There are seven names that "didn't engage him". I came in to the thread too late and by that point, he had moved on from me by his own admission. Stop trying to make me look more guilty than anyone else here.

 

[TD]

You imply a lot of stuff that doesn't end up being true. Last game you were entirely full of shit because you had "a boring role" so I don't put it past you trying the same thing again.

I didn't refuse to engage, he was clearly going down a list with some cowboy bit. There are seven names that "didn't engage him". I came in to the thread too late and by that point, he had moved on from me by his own admission. Stop trying to make me look more guilty than anyone else here.

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What someone does in a past game should not reflect what they are doing in the current game unless you always play the same as last game.

But if you want to compare.

Last game I was all over the map pointing fingers to get information and I died for it, but it worked out. I lasted a mere 24 hours.

This game, I'm not running around accusing everyone because I have actual intel that I don't want to make it seem like I'm accusing everyone.

I am accusing you and/or Jump.

And your continued behaviour has me leaning you.

 

[Tommy Boy]

This game, I'm not running around accusing everyone because I have actual intel that I don't want to make it seem like I'm accusing everyone.

Again, you can imply you have actual info but in reality have nothing. Nobody will ever know the wiser until tomorrow since the killing roles have used up their day powers already. Nobody will ever know if you're right or wrong until the lynch happens. But by that point, with three townies down, it's a great position for the wolves no matter what. I don't think you're a wolf but I definitely think you're the solo, and if I can stay alive until tomorrow, I will 100% be checking you tonight.

I am accusing you and/or Jump.

And your continued behaviour has me leaning you.

Yes, my behavior of calling out your implications and defending myself lol. Defends self = Is wolf. Doesn't defend self = Is wolf. We've all been here before. Once enough people say it, it doesn't matter if it's false. I'm not a wolf. But if I keep saying TD is solo killer without any info, will people start believing me too? Because from everyone else's perspective, you and I have the exact same amount of provable information: none.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Hey guys, I'm a seer too. I saw that Alu was a Gunner and that kut was a good guy.

 

[TD]

Again, you can imply you have actual info but in reality have nothing. Nobody will ever know the wiser until tomorrow since the killing roles have used up their day powers already. Nobody will ever know if you're right or wrong until the lynch happens. But by that point, with three townies down, it's a great position for the wolves no matter what. I don't think you're a wolf but I definitely think you're the solo, and if I can stay alive until tomorrow, I will 100% be checking you tonight.

See. And here you are being a textbook wolf.

kut came forward with a red read.
Raine shot one.
FR splashed the other.

I come forward with a red read, Local & Jump make textbook townie moves. Local voted for a red. Jump voted for the other person I read instead of the Spirit Seer.

YOUR REACTION?

You come for the person claiming Spirit Seer instead of Jump, like a rational member of the town would do.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

man, imagine if both of you were wolves.

 

[GwJumpman]

@Tommy Boy did you seer anything?

 

[Lee]

Imagine if neither of them are wolves.

 

[TD]

Anyone delaying voting for Jump or Tommy at this point who isn't Raine or FR should be considered suspicious.

 

[Tommy Boy]

See. And here you are being a textbook wolf.

kut came forward with a red read.
Raine shot one.
FR splashed the other.

I come forward with a red read, Local & Jump make textbook townie moves. Local voted for a red. Jump voted for the other person I read instead of the Spirit Seer.

YOUR REACTION?

You come for the person claiming Spirit Seer instead of Jump, like a rational member of the town would do.

I'm not coming for you dude, I'm defending myself, but you keep ignoring that to somehow implicate me in being sus for your bogus ass read.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Imagine if neither of them are wolves.

that's Commonplace. me and kut seem to get at it when we're both townies more than if we're on different teams

 

[Tommy Boy]

Anyone delaying voting for Jump or Tommy at this point who isn't Raine or FR should be considered suspicious.

Yes let's all blindly rally behind the spirit seer claim from 12 hours after two townies died everyone. This is a great plan. I'm a wolf and TD somehow has valuable info right now lmao

 

[Tommy Boy]

@Tommy Boy did you seer anything?

Yes, number 1 is on the village team. @Lee can you confirm you're good?

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Yes, number 1 is on the village team. @Lee can you confirm you're good?

If you're a townie, are you going to trust his answer?

 

[TD]

Yes, number 1 is on the village team. @Lee can you confirm you're good?

It is very hard to catch up when by 7am there is 4 pages and the game has moved on, I must admit!

I am also making a very early claim that I am good and not a wolf.

 

[TD]

Some seer read.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I'd like to point out that the only reason me and Raine were confirmed good was because we had two Seer claims that contradicted each other. Anyone else is sus. Even kut and Benzine, though I'm confident right now that they are likely townies.

 

[Lee]

Well I'm definitely not a wolf, that is for sure

 

[shortkut]

How about we kill Tommy today

IF Tommy is anything but a wolf, Raine shoots TD

Then we decide if we want to lynch GWJ because he might be entirely innocent

Alternate plan below

How about we kill GWJ today

IF GWJ is anything but a wolf, Raine shoots TD

Then we decide if we want to lynch Tommy because he might be entirely innocent

 

[GwJumpman]

How about we not lynch me, thank you very much

 

[GwJumpman]

I am NOT about that.

 

[shortkut]

How about we not lynch me, thank you very much

I am NOT about that.

That’s a very convincing argument. The futurama gif almost has me leaning to changing my vote to Tommy

 

[TD]

I agree that the three we should be looking at with the information at hand are Tommy, Jump, and I.

Between my red read and what I've seen, I'm comfortable with that plan.

 

[shortkut]

I just realized, we’ve had our most productive day 1 with much fewer posts than normal

 

[Local Hero]

[Outcomes in (...) are possibilities, not guaranteed*]
The danger in voting Tommy/GW (innocent)
Shooting TD (innocent)
Voting GW/Tommy (wolf)

Is it wastes a gunner shot and keeps the town occupied on killing two innocent townies and takes two full days.

I think, basically I don't like using a shot on anything that isn't more likely a wolf

 

[GwJumpman]

That’s a very convincing argument. The futurama gif almost has me leaning to changing my vote to Tommy

 

[shortkut]

[Outcomes in (...) are possibilities, not guaranteed*]
The danger in voting Tommy/GW (innocent)
Shooting TD (innocent)
Voting GW/Tommy (wolf)

Is it wastes a gunner shot and keeps the town occupied on killing two innocent townies and takes two full days.

I think, basically I don't like using a shot on anything that isn't more likely a wolf

We would only shoot TD if Tommy is not a wolf

 

[Tommy Boy]

Some seer read.

So you can wait 12 hours to reveal you saw red, but I have to say who I read exactly when the day phase starts? I was trying to avoid overtly role claiming, especially since I saw someone who was on the village team. But you happened to strike gold by "seeing red" and decided to keep that to yourself until after the killing roles used their shot? How is that more suspicious than me remaining quiet and not outting myself as seer? It's day one. I didn't want this.

Yeah, it sucks Lee happened to indicate he was good before I could, but nobody was going after Lee so I didn't feel it was the right time to reveal. You are still clinging to the idea that it was good to wait on revealing your red read to not "muddy waters" which in turn, resulted in three deaths. Yeah, a wolf, but also two townies. Wolves always claim spirit seer, it's so easy to point the finger. I wasn't even trying to claim, but for whatever reason, directly after three deaths, you decided the water was clear enough to continue. After just falling for a spirit seer trap. I'm just baffled anyone is entertaining this.

 

[shortkut]

I don’t know if it was the long break we had before these last 2 wolf games, or a full game’s worth of action happening in day one with minimal wasted posted, but I am fucking entertained by this game

 

[TD]

So you can wait 12 hours to reveal you saw red, but I have to say who I read exactly when the day phase starts?

You keep harping onto this 12 hour thing as a strawman argument when in reality it was just waiting to see what happened with Raine's shot.

 

[Tommy Boy]

You keep harping onto this 12 hour thing as a strawman argument when in reality it was just waiting to see what happened with Raine's shot.

But you're using the same thing against me in not revealing my read on Lee. We were all waiting on Raine's shot last night. I'd like to reiterate I don't think you're a wolf, I just don't think you're a spirit seer, either.

 

[TD]

But you're using the same thing against me in not revealing my read on Lee. We were all waiting on Raine's shot last night. I'd like to reiterate I don't think you're a wolf, I just don't think you're a spirit seer, either.

No.

What I'm using against you is that you and Jump came back red.

You're just making the decision easier.

 

[shortkut]

Can someone post a spreadsheet?

 

[Tommy Boy]

No.

What I'm using against you is that you and Jump came back red.

You're just making the decision easier.

It sounds like you've already decided when you named two people. So if someone else just comes in the thread and says "Actually guys, I am spirit seer and Ben and TD came back red" is your claim stronger because you were first to say it?

After all the people who were shot at, killed by someone, claimed, etc - you were able to select two people at random before all of that and get a red hit, and then not do anything?

You're saying I'm making the decision easier by simply challenging what you're saying. Meanwhile Jump is chillin but I am out here fighting for my life trying to avoid losing an aura seer on day one. I'm not voting you in retaliation, I'm not accusing you of being wolf - I'm defending my logic and my read. I'm not going to back down and say "let the town decide" because I know I'm right about Lee. I'm not going to vote for Jump just because you said to. The only reason I'm suspicious is because I disagree with your information. There's nothing else on me.

 

[shortkut]

It sounds like you've already decided when you named two people. So if someone else just comes in the thread and says "Actually guys, I am spirit seer and Ben and TD came back red" is your claim stronger because you were first to say it?

After all the people who were shot at, killed by someone, claimed, etc - you were able to select two people at random before all of that and get a red hit, and then not do anything?

You're saying I'm making the decision easier by simply challenging what you're saying. Meanwhile Jump is chillin but I am out here fighting for my life trying to avoid losing an aura seer on day one. I'm not voting you in retaliation, I'm not accusing you of being wolf - I'm defending my logic and my read. I'm not going to back down and say "let the town decide" because I know I'm right about Lee. I'm not going to vote for Jump just because you said to. The only reason I'm suspicious is because I disagree with your information. There's nothing else on me.

Share your spreadsheet

 

[Lee]

But you're using the same thing against me in not revealing my read on Lee. We were all waiting on Raine's shot last night. I'd like to reiterate I don't think you're a wolf, I just don't think you're a spirit seer, either.

I’m flattered that you would use your power on me. But I am not a wolf - I'm suspicious of TDs claim of spirit seer.

 

[Raine]

Yes, number 1 is on the village team. @Lee can you confirm you're good?

So what's his aura, chief?

You can't say "village team." Be more specific.

Edit: The lowercase "g" doesn't cut it.

 

[Lee]

It sounds like you've already decided when you named two people. So if someone else just comes in the thread and says "Actually guys, I am spirit seer and Ben and TD came back red" is your claim stronger because you were first to say it?

After all the people who were shot at, killed by someone, claimed, etc - you were able to select two people at random before all of that and get a red hit, and then not do anything?

You're saying I'm making the decision easier by simply challenging what you're saying. Meanwhile Jump is chillin but I am out here fighting for my life trying to avoid losing an aura seer on day one. I'm not voting you in retaliation, I'm not accusing you of being wolf - I'm defending my logic and my read. I'm not going to back down and say "let the town decide" because I know I'm right about Lee. I'm not going to vote for Jump just because you said to. The only reason I'm suspicious is because I disagree with your information. There's nothing else on me.

He is absolutely right about me, I am not a wolf

 

[TD]

Day 1 checklist:

Signs of a unified wolf alliance coming for TD Day 1 again?

 

[Lee]

Day 1 checklist:

Signs of a unified wolf alliance coming for TD Day 1 again?

Not sure, I’m not a wolf.