wolf the last day

[A Maybe Baker]

I don’t know why Ben didn’t take out canadaguy, especially once the town showed they were busy looking for the SK

He knew Local wasn't a wolf and likely wasn't lying about protecting CG.

 

[shortkut]

He knew Local wasn't a wolf and likely wasn't lying about protecting CG.

He didn’t know local wasn’t the SK and local had messed up his role, which should have made him suspicious to Ben as well

 

[Ben]

He didn’t know local wasn’t the SK and local had messed up his role, which should have made him suspicious to Ben as well

We assumed Kat was the SK the whole time. I didn't know, but it was unlikely the SK was still out there.

Every time I said they might have been was me trying to lie.

 

[Ben]

But I was trying to take out people I thought were most likely to figure stuff out, which admittedly left me blind to the actual threat of a wolf/town pairing.

I pulled rank on FR to kill Smacktard, which I realize now was because he wanted to save cupid, but I was hoping to play off my unknown aura with a flagger claim of moving a kill onto someone who wasn't active. That just got fucked up by dimmerwit getting to the thread before me, and outing me as same team as Kat. Which, wouldn't have happened if FR didn't Trickster her specifically.

And maybe I was adhering to Christina's desire to protect cg from the jump. Just didn't ever pop in my mind as a target.

Whole game was obfuscating balls in my face.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I pulled rank on FR to kill Smacktard, which I realize now was because he wanted to save cupid

Actually, we had no idea who Cupid was. We aren't told, and Kelly never seemed to tease it. For a bit, I was thinking kut or Quagmire was Cupid.

I wanted to kill someone who could detect us. Which is exactly what happened when dimmerwit found that you and Kat was on the same team. I didn't see Kelly as a threat at the moment. Same with Alu and Local. Only kut and dimmerwit.

Surprisingly, it didn't hurt us. Not as wolves, and not as Cupid, but I totally thought the town had the win in the bag. Both CG and Benzine can attest that I was lementing over the fact that the game was pretty much over.

 

[canadaguy]

Yeah we had no idea who the cupid was

 

[shortkut]

For a bit, I was thinking kut or Quagmire was Cupid.

I am now only the second best Cupid

 

[Ben]

Actually, we had no idea who Cupid was. We aren't told, and Kelly never seemed to tease it. For a bit, I was thinking kut or Quagmire was Cupid.

I wanted to kill someone who could detect us. Which is exactly what happened when dimmerwit found that you and Kat was on the same team. I didn't see Kelly as a threat at the moment. Same with Alu and Local. Only kut and dimmerwit.

Surprisingly, it didn't hurt us. Not as wolves, and not as Cupid, but I totally thought the town had the win in the bag. Both CG and Benzine can attest that I was lementing over the fact that the game was pretty much over.

Word. I didn't reread the role but thought you guys got informed of who paired you. Might be thinking of the instigator role though.

In retrospect I should have gone after dimmerwit but I gambled that I wasn't being sus enough to check over someone else.

Next opportunity, bro is dinnerwit.

 

[dimmerwit]

It wasn't a bad call. I had essentially no check the next night because everyone is on a different team to Kelly.

 

[dimmerwit]

Oh wait, that would have stopped my Ben check? OK, not a good call then.

 

[Ants!]

I hope I get to be cupid some day. Can't wait to decide who gets paired up lol

 

[dimmerwit]

	Cupid	Coupled 1	Coupled 2	Outcome
Benzine Wolf 5	Smacktard	canadaguy (Witch)	Fool's (Wolf Trickster)	Smacktard eaten on night 4. Couple wins.
Zell Wolf 20	Jon	Alu (Aura Seer)	Quagmire (Ritualist)	Quagmire eaten by Wolf on night 2. Alu revived but wolves win.
Zell Wolf 17	TD	Kat (Priest)	Tommy Boy (Arsonist)	TD shot randomly by Local Hero on day 1. Town wins.
Zell Wolf 11	Tommy Boy	TD (Nightmare Wolf)	Raine (Detective)	Nothing happened and everyone had a fantastic time.
Zell Wolf 9	shortkut	Vash (Witch)	Alu (Avenger)	Vash eaten on night 4. shortkut survives to the end. Town wins.
Zell Wolf 5	Cole	Christina (Wolf Trickster)	Vash (Medium)	Christina killed in jail by Tommy on night 5. Cole survives to the end. Town wins.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

	Cupid	Coupled 1	Coupled 2	Outcome
Benzine Wolf 5	Smacktard	canadaguy (Witch)	Fool's (Wolf Trickster)	Smacktard eaten on night 4. Couple wins.
Zell Wolf 20	Jon	Alu (Aura Seer)	Quagmire (Ritualist)	Quagmire eaten by Wolf on night 2. Alu revived but wolves win.
Zell Wolf 17	TD	Kat (Priest)	Tommy Boy (Arsonist)	TD shot randomly by Local Hero on day 1. Town wins.
Zell Wolf 11	Tommy Boy	TD (Nightmare Wolf)	Raine (Detective)	Nothing happened and everyone had a fantastic time.
Zell Wolf 9	shortkut	Vash (Witch)	Alu (Avenger)	Vash eaten on night 4. shortkut survives to the end. Town wins.
Zell Wolf 5	Cole	Christina (Wolf Trickster)	Vash (Medium)	Christina killed in jail by Tommy. Cole survives to the end. Town wins.

There was another game, maybe not completed...run by Ben? I was paired with Zell and we were on good pace to win it with the scenarios all mapped out but then there were accidental shenanigans where a bunch of people died and we were incorrectly included in it and outed.

I've been cupided 3 times lol. I forgot about the time where I was revived.

 

[Ben]

There was another game, maybe not completed...run by Ben? I was paired with Zell and we were on good pace to win it with the scenarios all mapped out but then there were accidental shenanigans where a bunch of people died and we were incorrectly included in it and outed.

I've been cupided 3 times lol. I forgot about the time where I was revived.

I've never prematurely arsoned, what do you mean?

 

[A Maybe Baker]

I've never prematurely arsoned, what do you mean?

 

[VashTheStampede]

Pretty sure you wanna use cold water to clean up webbing and not warm

 

[dimmerwit]

Alu was the Warden in Ben's premature explosion game.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I take it as a compliment when the arsonist incinerates quickly

 

[dimmerwit]

The only other Ben game I have was his Paranormal one where I have Vash's death listed as "smothered by McRib juice".

I'm probably missing one somewhere though.

 

[Ben]

I still blame shortkut for messaging me his action prior to the night phase.

Also my lack of brain.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

I still blame shortkut for messaging me his action prior to the night phase.

Also my lack of brain.

If we can't have fun while accidentally setting all of ourselves on fire then how will we ever enjoy life?

 

[Ants!]

When's the next wolf game let's go

 

[Ben]

When's the next wolf game let's go

I assume at this point no one wants to jump straight from one to the next. There's a refractory period.

 

[VashTheStampede]

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Nothing happened and everyone had a fantastic time.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Did I skip that game?

 

[Zell 17]

Yeah, i get ya. I was just explaining why that felt like such an unforced error to me.

The assumption is that the wolf trickster wouldn’t use their ability on someone that they know is 100% solo, because what’s the point? It doesn’t help you mask your team or mask your role. It’s essentially a total waste of the trickster power.

And even in this game, the trickster is paired to a witch! That’s a perfect combo to have the witch kill a villager and FR appears good for all time.

But basically every time we’ve had a SK or arsonist in the game they’ve tried to kill the entire village at once. Playing the probabilities it seemed more likely. Frankly I was 100% all in on lynching FR until he came out so hard saying he wasn’t solo which I didn’t think him capable of doing.

 

[Ants!]

I assume at this point no one wants to jump straight from one to the next. There's a refractory period.

Ironic comment given the thread Title I just made:

Thread 'Pre-mature (lol) sign-ups'

 

[Ants!]

Great minds think alike, and I think between you and me our minds are in our lower head.

 

[VashTheStampede]

The assumption is that the wolf trickster wouldn’t use their ability on someone that they know is 100% solo, because what’s the point? It doesn’t help you mask your team or mask your role. It’s essentially a total waste of the trickster power.

Is that not an assumption that the Trickster knew the role of their target?

I think there's value in just blindly using Trickster to cause confusion/help hide.

But basically every time we’ve had a SK or arsonist in the game they’ve tried to kill the entire village at once.

Yeah I'm just built different (incorrectly)

 

[VashTheStampede]

Is that not an assumption that the Trickster knew the role of their target?

I think there's value in just blindly using Trickster to cause confusion/help hide.

Jesus christ Vash, actually read what you're responding to properly

 

[Ants!]

Thread 'Pre-mature (lol) sign-ups'
https://gwforums.com/threads/pre-mature-lol-sign-ups.3197/

Don't know why the link above doesn't work.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

The assumption is that the wolf trickster wouldn’t use their ability on someone that they know is 100% solo, because what’s the point? It doesn’t help you mask your team or mask your role. It’s essentially a total waste of the trickster power.

And even in this game, the trickster is paired to a witch! That’s a perfect combo to have the witch kill a villager and FR appears good for all time.

But basically every time we’ve had a SK or arsonist in the game they’ve tried to kill the entire village at once. Playing the probabilities it seemed more likely. Frankly I was 100% all in on lynching FR until he came out so hard saying he wasn’t solo which I didn’t think him capable of doing.

So, as I explained it to the wolves, Kat was the only one likely to be shmurdered by townies and I NEEDED to be masked as something or dimmerwit and shortkut were going to find out. I figured, being Unknown was better than being Evil. There are a few "Unknown" townie roles as well as Fool and Headhunter. I suggested to CG that he use his potion on Kat to pretty much confirm a kill. Luckily, you killed her for me, so CG didn't waste a shot.

I was certain that I needed to broadcast my target change in wolf chat, not in private, so I needed a logical target with plenty of plausible deniability. If I said I was swapping to some random townie with no sus and then it's revealed that the Witch has killed them, Jon and Ben would likely INSTANTLY realize what the fuck was going on. Initially, I had my target on sandwich/dimmerwit, but he was all but confirmed to be good so no townies were killing him and I couldn't count on the SK to kill so early unless it was the Evil Dick.

I was also kinda hoping Kat was Cupid. That way kut could use his ability to reveal that I was Good while masking the existence of Cupid (even though that would eliminate the 3 person voting block).

Is that not an assumption that the Trickster knew the role of their target?

Only thing I knew was that the town knew she was on a different team from Tommy who was the gunner. 50/50 SV/SK chance.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I thought the trickster play was wonderful and I'd give Fool's MVP if that was a thing here

 

[Ben]

Thread 'Pre-mature (lol) sign-ups'
https://gwforums.com/threads/pre-mature-lol-sign-ups.3197/

Don't know why the link above doesn't work.

Because you put the thread title as the url. That don't work.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

I thought the trickster play was wonderful and I'd give Fool's MVP if that was a thing here

The trickster play was what sealed it.

 

[shortkut]

I still blame shortkut for messaging me his action prior to the night phase.

Also my lack of brain.

 

[Zell 17]

So, as I explained it to the wolves, Kat was the only one likely to be shmurdered by townies and I NEEDED to be masked as something or dimmerwit and shortkut were going to find out. I figured, being Unknown was better than being Evil. There are a few "Unknown" townie roles as well as Fool and Headhunter. I suggested to CG that he use his potion on Kat to pretty much confirm a kill. Luckily, you killed her for me, so CG didn't waste a shot.

.

There is no value in masking yourself as a solo though. All possible good unknowns were accounted for, so showing as unknown would broadcast you as a solo killer. Dimmerwit couldn’t be fooled by the masking either.

 

[Jon]

I've been cupided 3 times lol. I forgot about the time where I was revived.

I counted twice

 

[VashTheStampede]

There is no value in masking yourself as a solo though. All possible good unknowns were accounted for, so showing as unknown would broadcast you as a solo killer. Dimmerwit couldn’t be fooled by the masking either.

At that point was cupid already known?

 

[Jon]

Vash:



Yes I'm sure?

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Vash:

View attachment 29583

Yes I'm sure?

Did you read the rest of my post where I outlined the the third time where I was paired with Zell in an aborted game?

 

[VashTheStampede]

Did you read the rest of my post where I outlined the the third time where I was paired with Zell in an aborted game?

I mean, he quoted it, but I totally beefed on properly reading Zell's post earlier and responded so glass houses and all

 

[Fool's Requiem]

There is no value in masking yourself as a solo though. All possible good unknowns were accounted for, so showing as unknown would broadcast you as a solo killer. Dimmerwit couldn’t be fooled by the masking either.

except he was.

And we didn't know what the SV was. Say Kelly isn't murdered, I could skate through pretending to be Fool or Headhunter. An outed Fool is a harmless Fool. Kelly would be shown as Good if checked by kut.

"Unknown" had more value than "Evil" and I can't just broadcast a target change to have a Witch randomly kill that target with no sus. Jon and Kat had MUCH more aus on them. There was no way a Witch was killing anyone but them.

Also, the plan worked. Much better than I even anticipated.

 

[Zell 17]

except he was.

And we didn't know what the SV was. Say Kelly isn't murdered, I could skate through pretending to be Fool or Headhunter. An outed Fool is a harmless Fool.

An outted Fool or Headhunter is impossible unless revealed by loudmouth or the solo killer is confirmed dead. They are identical to a solo killer in every way to every seer role.

 

[VashTheStampede]

But he wouldn't be outed if Kelly lives

I dunno why he said outed but otherwise he's right?

 

[Zell 17]

Also, the plan worked. Much better than I even anticipated.

The plan was inconsequential though. At the end of the day there were two baddies left, it didn’t matter whether you were an actual solo killer or a masked wolf.

 

[shortkut]

 

[Fool's Requiem]

The plan was inconsequential though.

except it wasn't

It caused all the confusion.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Fuck he's fast