wolf the last day

[Zell 17]

except it wasn't

It caused all the confusion.

Who was confused? The idea what Kat could be solo and tricked was brought up multiple times, particularly by Alu

 

[VashTheStampede]

Me

 

[Fool's Requiem]

 

[VashTheStampede]

That dude RUNNING

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Who was confused? The idea what Kat could be solo and tricked was brought up multiple times, particularly by Alu

Hey guys wouldn't it be cool if this happened? Man. Well let's do something else.

-Alu

 

[VashTheStampede]

Hey guys wouldn't it be cool if this happened? Man. Well let's do something else.

-Alu

I was so frustrated for you at that point lol

 

[A Maybe Baker]

I was so frustrated for you at that point lol

"It could be dimmerwit faking..."

"It wouldn't have to be"

"Yes true. Anyway, Local?"

 

[dimmerwit]

It also outed Ben as a wolf, for all the good that ended up doing.

 

[Quagmire]

	Cupid	Coupled 1	Coupled 2	Outcome
Benzine Wolf 5	Smacktard	canadaguy (Witch)	Fool's (Wolf Trickster)	Smacktard eaten on night 4. Couple wins.
Zell Wolf 20	Jon	Alu (Aura Seer)	Quagmire (Ritualist)	Quagmire eaten by Wolf on night 2. Alu revived but wolves win.
Zell Wolf 17	TD	Kat (Priest)	Tommy Boy (Arsonist)	TD shot randomly by Local Hero on day 1. Town wins.
Zell Wolf 11	Tommy Boy	TD (Nightmare Wolf)	Raine (Detective)	Nothing happened and everyone had a fantastic time.
Zell Wolf 9	shortkut	Vash (Witch)	Alu (Avenger)	Vash eaten on night 4. shortkut survives to the end. Town wins.
Zell Wolf 5	Cole	Christina (Wolf Trickster)	Vash (Medium)	Christina killed in jail by Tommy on night 5. Cole survives to the end. Town wins.

I 100% forgot I had ever been cupid, I was thinking man it would be fun to be cupid. I did save my lover at least!

 

[Quagmire]

"It could be dimmerwit faking..."

"It wouldn't have to be"

"Yes true. Anyway, Local?"

Also FR was claiming preacher which I was already outed as preacher. Yes duplicate roles can happen, but it is rare

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Also FR was claiming preacher which I was already outed as preacher. Yes duplicate roles can happen, but it is rare

Yeah but then Local claimed doctor and quickly said "oh wait no" shortly after I said I was doctor (he didn't read that) so it looked like an attempt to not make another duplicate role.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

It was a good team effort everyone.

And by that I mean the cupid team. Everyone else just kind of pointed and smiled at the train that was heading straight for us while saying "there's no way that train hits us"

 

[shortkut]

 

[Zell 17]

"It could be dimmerwit faking..."

"It wouldn't have to be"

"Yes true. Anyway, Local?"

I want to expand on my thinking a little bit. Obviously we knew the last baddie was Alu, Local, and FR. As soon as the day started I ranked them according to who I thought had the most credibility according to how they had played. I thought Alu was town 100%.

Local's claim and play was weak. But FR's was even weaker. Then FR came back with the vehement denial which made me revisit my assumptions. Of those three, who would be most able to pull off lying about their role? And that answer was obviously Alu. That's my fault, I tried to play the player when if I had just played based on how the game was played (remove the screennames) then FR is probably a near-unanimous lynch. That's credit to FR, he played outside of his norm and it threw me.

At the end of the day I was trying to take all of the scenarios and game them out and take the path that would most likely result in a town win. The biggest threat BY FAR was a possible solo killer with kills stocked. So it made sense to leave Ben.

Even after we killed Local and he was innocent, look at all the things that had to go right in order for the couple to win. FR had to be the one coupled, and it HAD to be to canadaguy (otherwise I can't be killed and we can use the jailer power to win the next day). Also, Ben had to attack me KNOWING that canadaguy was really a witch and planning to protect me. He had no reason to think his attack would succeed and every reason to think it would fail. If he attacks anyone else, town wins.

Even after all that impossibility, the couple still had to convince the remaining townspeople to let them win instead of the wolves in the endgame kingsmaker situation.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Just to be clear that was a conversation between me and dimmerwit summed up. Wasn't picking on you there at all.

I think your moves madea sense. I think I tried once late to convince us to go with "the hopeful route" by lynching FR instead and keeping the protectors alive, but it was a pretty weak attempt to be honest.

 

[dimmerwit]

Yeah, people have forgotten how crucial it was that it was cg that was paired.

I just don't see how we played terribly. Our "mistakes" were ultimately based on information we couldn't have known. I think I helped move people off FR so my bad, but I couldn't have known for sure that was a bad move.

 

[Benzine]

except it wasn't

It caused all the confusion.

It wasn’t confusing

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Yeah, people have forgotten how crucial it was that it was cg that was paired.

I just don't see how we played terribly. Our "mistakes" were ultimately based on information we couldn't have known. I think I helped move people off FR so my bad, but I couldn't have known for sure that was a bad move.

I don't actually think we played poorly. Just we discussed basically exactly what had happened multiple times and chose not to believe it.

And the cupid pair played better. There was luck involved for sure. But there usually is.

 

[shortkut]

I like how Zell’s defense is “FR can’t lie that convincingly” and it turns out that he was telling the truth because he wasn’t the SK

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I like how Zell’s defense is “FR can’t lie that convincingly” and it turns out that he was telling the truth because he wasn’t the SK

I'm still pretty sure the only thing I lied about was my Preacher claim.

 

[canadaguy]

I want to expand on my thinking a little bit. Obviously we knew the last baddie was Alu, Local, and FR. As soon as the day started I ranked them according to who I thought had the most credibility according to how they had played. I thought Alu was town 100%.

Local's claim and play was weak. But FR's was even weaker. Then FR came back with the vehement denial which made me revisit my assumptions. Of those three, who would be most able to pull off lying about their role? And that answer was obviously Alu. That's my fault, I tried to play the player when if I had just played based on how the game was played (remove the screennames) then FR is probably a near-unanimous lynch. That's credit to FR, he played outside of his norm and it threw me.

At the end of the day I was trying to take all of the scenarios and game them out and take the path that would most likely result in a town win. The biggest threat BY FAR was a possible solo killer with kills stocked. So it made sense to leave Ben.

Even after we killed Local and he was innocent, look at all the things that had to go right in order for the couple to win. FR had to be the one coupled, and it HAD to be to canadaguy (otherwise I can't be killed and we can use the jailer power to win the next day). Also, Ben had to attack me KNOWING that canadaguy was really a witch and planning to protect me. He had no reason to think his attack would succeed and every reason to think it would fail. If he attacks anyone else, town wins.

Even after all that impossibility, the couple still had to convince the remaining townspeople to let them win instead of the wolves in the endgame kingsmaker situation.

This makes it seem like we just sat there and lucked into everything that happened. We had our own agency in how the game was played

 

[Zell 17]

This makes it seem like we just sat there and lucked into everything that happened. We had our own agency in how the game was played

I don’t really mean it that way. You played great in that I legit had absolutely no idea who the couple was. I just didn’t really consider the Cupid couple that much of a threat because of the sheer odds.

I mean the entire plan hinged on Ben attacking a “confirmed protected” player out of 5 available unprotected targets. Would love to hear how you guys gamed that out / influenced that if in fact that is what happened in wolf chat.

 

[Zell 17]

This makes it seem like we just sat there and lucked into everything that happened. We had our own agency in how the game was played

Also, I don’t mean “luck” in that you sat and did nothing. I mean it from the perspective of a townie making decisions, “what are the odds that this is the specific scenario that occurred as opposed to other possible explanations?” Of course, for you guys most of the things had already happened, so there is no luck required at all. I’m wondering what are the chances that the witch is paired to a trickster wolf, and you aren’t because in your mind the odds are 100%.

You could easily write a similar post about the odds of the wolves killing Cupid and outing the fact that a couple even exists, for example

 

[canadaguy]

Basically before the day ended, FR told me that Ben was going to attack you. Which seemed really bold to me based on the plan discussed in the thread. He had sole control of the kill as the alpha, and FR can confirm, but I think he didn't want to press him much in any other direction to avoid cupid suspicion

I had no interest protecting anyone, so that was fine to me. I fact in the whole game, only 1 time I gave it to FR as insurance, but it became clear there were no more night time threats to him.

 

[Zell 17]

Basically before the day ended, FR told me that Ben was going to attack you. Which seemed really bold to me based on the plan discussed in the thread. He had sole control of the kill as the alpha, and FR can confirm, but I think he didn't want to press him much in any other direction to avoid cupid suspicion

I had no interest protecting anyone, so that was fine to me. I fact in the whole game, only 1 time I gave it to FR as insurance, but it became clear there were no more night time threats to him.

I thought about the idea that you could be coupled and let me be killed, but the only likely explanation for that occurring would be you had to be coupled to the person doing the killing. So you would have to be coupled to Ben, but I thought that was unlikely because the lynch on Ben the previous day had been so easy.

At no point did I think you would pull protection and I would be killed by someone else without any communication or confirmation that I was unprotected occurring.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Also I was considering not protecting CG and potentially switching to you but then didn't want to cause his death and be the next target.

 

[Zell 17]

Also I was considering not protecting CG and potentially switching to you but then didn't want to cause his death and be the next target.

Yeah for sure if somehow CG had died we would have instant killed you

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Also I was considering not protecting CG and potentially switching to you but then didn't want to cause his death and be the next target.

I was worried one of you would also attempt to protect Zell.

However, as I told Ben when I suggested he attempt to kill Zell, I thought we were fucked. I hadn't actually done the math.

I wasn't thinking of the possibility of what would happen if both Cupid couple members were to be killed.

I was in "fuck it, this is the only thing we can do, anyways" mode, and was in a rush to communicate to both Ben and CG.

 

[dimmerwit]

 

[shortkut]

I'm still pretty sure the only thing I lied about was my Preacher claim.

Yeah but starting you were not the SK was not a lie

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Yeah but starting you were not the SK was not a lie

exactly

 

[Smacktard]

Hey so I still don't know how I died. Someone said they flagged a kill to me, but I think that was Ben who said that? So, Cupid couple, did you know I was Cupid? Did you try to keep me from being killed?

 

[Ants!]

Hey so I still don't know how I died. Someone said they flagged a kill to me, but I think that was Ben who said that? So, Cupid couple, did you know I was Cupid? Did you try to keep me from being killed?

Dunno, but this was you exiting the game after you just anointed the future winners.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Hey so I still don't know how I died. Someone said they flagged a kill to me, but I think that was Ben who said that? So, Cupid couple, did you know I was Cupid? Did you try to keep me from being killed?

Sir Kelly, did you attempt to send a message to your couple you created?

 

[Smacktard]

Sir Kelly, did you attempt to send a message to your couple you created?

Other than using the emoji on multiple of both of your old posts in the wolf threads on multiple occasions when I saw either of you were online?

Nah, nothing apart from that

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Other than using the emoji on multiple of both of your old posts in the wolf threads on multiple occasions when I saw either of you were online?

Nah, nothing apart from that

I didn't see any of those. I can only go back to Sunday for notifications and didn't see any with you emoting to a post in a game thread, and I checked all of my posts from the first two days and there were no reactions from you.

Edit: Checked all of my posts on the days you were alive. You didn't react to any of them.

 

[Smacktard]

I didn't see any of those. I can only go back to Sunday for notifications and didn't see any with you emoting to a post in a game thread, and I checked all of my posts from the first two days and there were no reactions from you.

Edit: Checked all of my posts on the days you were alive. You didn't react to any of them.

I did react to them, but then I hid the reacts after a while. I thought both of you had seen them cause I saw you or cg were online and posting when I reacted

 

[A Maybe Baker]

I thought about checking through posts for reactions from you after it was revealed, but decided it didn't be worth it since you can remove them. Glad I was right and didn't bother eating my time.

 

[Ben]

Hey so I still don't know how I died. Someone said they flagged a kill to me, but I think that was Ben who said that? So, Cupid couple, did you know I was Cupid? Did you try to keep me from being killed?

Random, honestly. I think FR said we should go for dimmerwit, I think I was looking at Zell.

But then I wanted to try to give myself a cover story of flagger to explain the unknown aura, so I picked you at random as someone who hadn't said much.

I just got lucky. They unlucky, that dimmerwit picked Kat and FR made it look like her and I were same team.

 

[shortkut]

So dimmerwit for wolf mvp?

 

[Zell 17]

Random, honestly. I think FR said we should go for dimmerwit, I think I was looking at Zell.

But then I wanted to try to give myself a cover story of flagger to explain the unknown aura, so I picked you at random as someone who hadn't said much.

I just got lucky. They unlucky, that dimmerwit picked Kat and FR made it look like her and I were same team.

FWIW you should show as a different team from Kat. Trickster doesn’t change the aura or team affiliation of the person tricked, just the trickster wolf themselves.

Another reason I thought Kat wasn’t solo.

 

[Ben]

FWIW you should show as a different team from Kat. Trickster doesn’t change the aura or team affiliation of the person tricked, just the trickster wolf themselves.

Another reason I thought Kat wasn’t solo.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I did react to them, but then I hid the reacts after a while. I thought both of you had seen them cause I saw you or cg were online and posting when I reacted

Considering those threads are no longer used, does that not count as giving information outside of the game?

 

[VashTheStampede]

Though that might give me an idea for a "tell" in a possible future mafia game

 

[Smacktard]

Considering those threads are no longer used, does that not count as giving information outside of the game?

Idk, I've seen other members saying they did it before so I thought it was kosher. I also did it mostly in alive threads. I think I only did it in a dead thread once. I tried the gambit about 3 or 4 times between cg and fr, reacting a bunch all at once when they were online and then unreacting

 

[Smacktard]

Though that might give me an idea for a "tell" in a possible future mafia game

 

[Ants!]

There's been a mistake, that's my signal, not Batman's.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Idk, I've seen other members saying they did it before so I thought it was kosher. I also did it mostly in alive threads. I think I only did it in a dead thread once. I tried the gambit about 3 or 4 times between cg and fr, reacting a bunch all at once when they were online and then unreacting

Hell i might have done it in the past, it just occurred to me this time is all

 

[canadaguy]

FR and cg looking for clues

 

[Smacktard]

No wonder you ain't found shit.

The clues: