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dimmerwit said:
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Ben's theory is also a sound one, you could still be wolf rather than illusionist.

You nightmare someone, a protect blocks your kill, you come out claiming somebody is the nightmare wolf, knowing the person you nightmared would seemingly confirm you. Your friends don't have the majority vote even with the shadow power, so you get a lynch going and become the sacrificial wolf for tomorrow's lynch when your companions argue you down publicly and vote for you.
 
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OKAY! For better or worse, probably for the worse tbh, I'm going to be overthinking the shit out of a lot of things, since I ended up having time AND I was overthinking it all. I need to vent. I need an outlet. I feel the urge.

Feel free to ignore everything. This is purely self-indulgence. Well, maybe Vash might appreciate it too.

shortkut said:
What happened was I implied I could talk to the dead and then I was attacked
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Absolutely a thing I would want to do as a loudmouth/tough guy/avenger. You want to be attacked, but you can't say I'm this, as 1) no one will humor to kill you and 2) the evils definitely wont. So unless this is a reverse situation to try to be 2 steps ahead of everyone for some odd wolf ruse, idk. Could be also betting on people reading into the subtle claim, like he said, and then throw things around.

I would probably also leverage the shadow wolf play currently into the above. I feel Vash coming back with an instant shadow drop ruffled some plans and that the wolves need to scramble to salvage the situation.

OR KUT IS JUST A TOUGH GUY!

We'll see as the day ends.

dimmerwit said:
It was Ben and Local who made claims to a strong role, and obviously Vash is one.
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Which made the kut implication of a strong role weird, but maybe justified in retrospect? It would be great to get something more on Ben so that we're sure. Or Quagmire telling Local he was the real illusionist.

Ants! said:
It's possible Jawneh could have messed up and done something dumb trying to claim ritualist when Vash could confirm for us who the real one is, but I think it more likely he's just doing his running joke like he claims.
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Hey, HEY! I've had my share dealings with massive holes, and as much as I love to delve into holes, I need to keep my ritualist gig alive. If I didn't, I feel I'd let everyone down. Hell, I'd be letting myself down.

Local Hero said:
So what are the chances that quagmire isn't illusionist?

Illusionist tags quagmire randomly, quagmire gets lynched coincidentally
Wolves target real illusionist so no wolf kill

Or

Been identified quagmire as different team because he's illusionist
Wolves targeted poor local (or someone else) and protection was successful

Are these the only options?
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A) Would be great work if Ben is the illusionist and is narrating the story. Granted, anyone who can talk to the dead can get info back, but we wont necessarily be told complete truths, as the person who died could be town telling the truth, wolf lying saying they're town, or the illusionist themselves keeping things mysterious. In this case, Quagmire would've been a strong role.

B) Wolves attacked the real illusionist. Would play into the early shadow drop as well if they were planning on there being less bodies and no Vash alive. Before morning came, it could've been 9 v 8 votes, but a failed kill and Vash being revived it's now 11 v 8.

C) Need three options to make a list.

D) Christina could be the illusionist too and faking being a headhunter. Or she could also be the fool. Though the fool play would be very odd, unless she wanted to have some fun before later claiming something else to get her lynched. I feel the fool is a long shot, but could be the illusionist.

Ben said:
I pondered whether shortkut was full of shit after going to bed. The timing of the shadow dropping right after he posted became odd. There weren't that many other people online.

They 100% have a nightmare wolf though so I was baited by that catharsis of trying to get revenge.

I mean it's a weird gambit. If he claims he's dead after this day and doesn't die... Then what? We obviously know the story was a lie and he dies anyway. If the tough guy claim wasn't a lie, he dies anyway.
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He could be an avenger wanting to take someone with him early on? Maybe there's more avengers or alphas and they can play reckless early on to reduce numbers? I feel that would be kind of not like kut, but someone could've given him the idea?

shortkut said:
This is exactly why tough guy is a stupid role claim if I’m claiming to have been attacked.

If I don’t drop dead at the end of the day, then I am killed tomorrow the latest. I’m not claiming tough guy with my ability intact, I’m claiming it and stating I’m about to die. Makes no sense to lie
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See above. Normally it would not make sense, but maybe there's something to back it up? Flimsy reasoning on my part for sure.

Zell 17 said:
Town think about this. Which story makes more sense:

A) Wolves decide not to kill anyone (nobody else has claimed a save), and make up a story about a tough guy. They get an auxiliary seer (Ants) lynched, at the cost of one of their own (shortkut). So they would give up a night kill AND a wolf to kill a secondary seer (Ben being primary)

OR

B) shortkut is real, and protected Ben as discussed yesterday. That’s why there was no wolf kill. shortkut also announced that the lowest ranking wolf was a nightmare wolf, which Ben LATER CONFIRMED.

I think it’s option B by a mile.
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I do have an issue with B as Ben said it after kut's announcement. It does give a bit of credit for kut's claim about a nightmare though, but also could play into Ben's plans if he's the real illusionist.

For A, the best I got is that getting Ants killed is easier than getting Ben killed. There's three protections going around if I counted right: dimmer, kut, and Kat. Maybe the shadow is there to try reduce the protections while casting shade on the seers? Feels overthinking man.

Zell 17 said:
Here’s why: Obviously I was bothered by the vote yesterday. Why did the village settle upon the person who claimed to be provable, instead of the person who didn’t? Why were so many of the votes people with weak claims of their own?

The easiest explanation is that dimmerwit is a wolf, and the wolves therefore thought that Quagmire was actually a marksman when they got Ben’s info. They knew dimmerwit was eventually dead anyways but might as well take some villagers along with him.

The wolves wouldn’t want the solo killer dead immediately, they need his help killing villagers. They thought they were actually bagging a marksman.
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For me about Quagmire yesterday was that it would take 2 more nights for him to attempt to shoot someone who wasn't the person he was already aiming for. I feel that's a lot of waiting versus taking action then and there between the two. None wanted to go lynch dimmer either, so we could've sat around waiting, potentially still lose a marksman without having him vouch a townie with a stray arrow. Unless your idea was just to shoot and have them sacrifice to indite dimmer and vouch a person?

If Ben is a dick, then dimmer being a wolf would make sense. Though could still be town if Quagmire was the real illusionist.


Wow. It's been a real feelingsational rollecoaster for me. I am now done and can relax for the rest of the day. Ignore all my garbage unless you want to entertain me with more overthinking. :bow
 
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I think Ben being the Illusionist would be a fantastic play, and I actually think it's the most likely scenario if it's not Quagmire, but who else is claiming a strong role? We need 3 and unless I'm mistaken it's just him and Local joining Vash who we know is strong.

I think Ben is trustworthy and Quagmire was very likely the Illusionist. And whilst I get that wouldn't clear me, I'd point out that nobody else in the game other than Vash and Local is cleared right now.
 
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finlandguy said:
D) Christina could be the illusionist too and faking being a headhunter. Or she could also be the fool. Though the fool play would be very odd, unless she wanted to have some fun before later claiming something else to get her lynched. I feel the fool is a long shot, but could be the illusionist.
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